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Give every soldier toting a rifle a 3GL, should do the trick.

Melissia wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:LOL! Do you really think that the Imperium will bother sending Space Marines for you?! They will exterminatus the planet for heresy!

Why woudl they do that when they can bring a fertile agg-world in to the fold instead? I mean our planet is pretty damned fertile, add in some Imperial technology to make it moreso, and we could probably ship off plenty of food.

It would take a daemonic or tyrranic infestation of major proportions for the Imperium to turn away such a viable planet.

We would take some serious converting, i dont think the imperials would enjoy greenpeace or muslims or any other religion for that matter

FuryTheBerserker wrote:LOL! Do you really think that the Imperium will bother sending Space Marines for you?! They will exterminatus the planet for heresy!

Unless they realise that they have traveled 38,000 years into the past and exterminating pre-historic terra would create an time paradox.

Safor wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:LOL! Do you really think that the Imperium will bother sending Space Marines for you?! They will exterminatus the planet for heresy!

Unless they realise that they have traveled 38,000 years into the past and exterminating pre-historic terra would create an time paradox*.

In theory*

We have no clue if time paradoxes can even happen

Besides. They would probably go all covenant(halo reference) on our asses, ignore all the signs, and destroy us for our heresy, claiming to be terra and all.

fleet of claw wrote:

Melissia wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:LOL! Do you really think that the Imperium will bother sending Space Marines for you?! They will exterminatus the planet for heresy!

Why woudl they do that when they can bring a fertile agg-world in to the fold instead? I mean our planet is pretty damned fertile, add in some Imperial technology to make it moreso, and we could probably ship off plenty of food.

It would take a daemonic or tyrranic infestation of major proportions for the Imperium to turn away such a viable planet.

We would take some serious converting, i dont think the imperials would enjoy greenpeace or muslims or any other religion for that matter

They'd work to convert religions in to variations on the Imperial Cult over a few generations before coming in.

I'd say anything to the right places would kill a plain ol SM, but what about being chapter specific? BA feel no pain so it'd be kill em out right or your fethed.

Also Mr T could wipe the floor with a SM.

IHateNids wrote:I'd say anything to the right places would kill a plain ol SM, but what about being chapter specific? BA feel no pain so it'd be kill em out right or your fethed.

Also Mr T could wipe the floor with a SM.

I pity the fool, whos being chapter specific!

In all seriousness though, I agree with your first comment completly.

Almost anything could kill a Space Marine with a lucky enough shot. After all, a Space Marine is just an improved person. It's harder to kill 'em, but they ain't invulnerable.

Also, just a thought. Someone was listing all the stuff the Astartes have and our stuff to equal it, then someone else said "bipedal tanks" and I thought 'Titans'.

Yeah, we're pretty much f*cked.

Space Marines can't defy the laws of physics and inertia.
Tons of modern weapons can kill Space Marines....

The question is not what weapons can kill a space marine but would the user be able to operate it before being killed or wounded too badly to operate the weapon. With a .75 automatic AP explosive shell assault rifle as standard equipment and reactions 10 or 20 times that of normal combat personel I don't think we would stand much of a chance. I could quite believe A single company taking much of the middle east at least. From there they could quite feasably destroy the war effort of the western world via the destruction of oil refineries. If they had aircraft (like stormravens or thunderhawks) they could feasibly hit all major oil refineries in the western world destroying our ability to fight. If they used a strike cruiser or cobra destroyer then there would be no ground engagements what so ever. We could statisticly kill one but in the field it would be very unlikely especially since the 'hundred to one' figure is based on an army with greater arms, better armour and probably better training.

-Scotty

A knife would do it, applied correctly. I mean, it works for catachans and hive gangers against space marines, it should work for me.

Drop a satellite on him. Or a railgun like in the transformers 2 movie. They really exist it just will kill/put a hole in everything between it and the SM and Most likely destroy itself with the recoil. Operate remotely and be Safe from a distance.

Or remote pilot a stealth jet armed with explosives into him, send a few so he can't shoot Them all down.. OR wait till his bolter runs out of ammo gunning down the fodder.

DeathRex wrote:Drop a satellite on him. Or a railgun like in the transformers 2 movie. They really exist it just will kill/put a hole in everything between it and the SM and Most likely destroy itself with the recoil. Operate remotely and be Safe from a distance.

Or remote pilot a stealth jet armed with explosives into him, send a few so he can't shoot Them all down.. OR wait till his bolter runs out of ammo gunning down the fodder.

A B2 or F117 loaded with JDAMS should do trick...

IHateNids wrote:Also, just a thought. Someone was listing all the stuff the Astartes have and our stuff to equal it, then someone else said "bipedal tanks" and I thought 'Titans'.

Yeah, we're pretty much f*cked.

Space Marines don't have access to Titans. Only the armies of the Mechanicum have Titans.

Well yeah, but some one earlier was on about what an imperium army has and our stuff to equal/beat it.

I pointed out something that we can't equal.

IHateNids wrote:Well yeah, but some one earlier was on about what an imperium army has and our stuff to equal/beat it.

I pointed out something that we can't equal.

Space ships alone mean we are fethed. Void shields on those things can take direct hits from nukes.

A Space Marine is, in the final analysis, a person. He isn't TOTALLY immune to anything, and there are always vulnerabilities. So, if the question is "What is theoretically capable of killing a Space Marine given ideal circumstances", the answer is practically anything. Rocks, sharp sticks, small fuzzy animals, loose change; anything that can conceivably kill a person can also conceivably kill a Space Marine, although it will be harder.

The question that's fueled most of the discussion in this thread, by contrast, is "What modern weapon has a reasonable probability of killing a Space Marine in a combat situation". The answer to that is, well, not much small enough for a person to carry. All that genetic manipulation, all those extra organs, the increased muscle mass, hypno-therapy, and super-powered weapons and armor combined make a Space Marine a much, much tougher nut to crack than a normal soldier. Yes, you MIGHT kill or cripple him with a battle rifle; but I would say that you'd be a fool to count on it.

If a modern army wanted to fight Space Marines, in my opinion, they would have to deploy armor against them in massive numbers, Yes, I AM saying that it would take modern MBTs to fight Space Marines in a military engagement, and even they wouldn't be highly effective due to the smaller size and greater maneuverability of the Space Marines. Sending infantry against Space Marines would result in a massacre; a few Space Marine casualties, probably not even dead but rather temporarily incapacitated, and hundreds or thousands of infantry casualties in a very short period of time.

Soladrin wrote:

IHateNids wrote:Well yeah, but some one earlier was on about what an imperium army has and our stuff to equal/beat it.

I pointed out something that we can't equal.

Space ships alone mean we are fethed. Void shields on those things can take direct hits from nukes.

If the rules for using a nuke against one from RT are correct, no, not really, and if you can get one onto the ship itself, it's autodies. Oh, and 40k nukes are actually weaker on average than modern nukes. Most of what is in the modern US arsenal would be considered 'best quality' or 'mastercrafted'.

BaronIveagh wrote:

If the rules for using a nuke against one from RT are correct, no, not really, and if you can get one onto the ship itself, it's autodies. Oh, and 40k nukes are actually weaker on average than modern nukes. Most of what is in the modern US arsenal would be considered 'best quality' or 'mastercrafted'.

First point; I would be highly skeptical about the continued validity of anything from RT.

Second part; source? What makes you think that modern equipment is higher-quality than Imperial equipment? I don't know of anything that talks about that subject, but my assumption would honestly be the reverse. . .

BeRzErKeR wrote:
First point; I would be highly skeptical about the continued validity of anything from RT.

Second part; source? What makes you think that modern equipment is higher-quality than Imperial equipment? I don't know of anything that talks about that subject, but my assumption would honestly be the reverse. . .

Since this particular RT book was printed just last year, I would hope it's still valid.

A standard imperial nuke has a total devastation area of just five to ten km. That's only a 340kt bomb, or slightly less then the Soviet Union's first H bomb, Joe-4. Compare this to the US Mk28 mod 5 (the bomb used in Doctor Strangelove), a 1.4mt bomb produced throughout the 60's. The last was retired in 1991.

Against a starship's shields, that same 340kt bomb counts as 1d5+4 macrobattery hits, (1d10+6 damage per hit) or slightly better then the firepower of single Lunar class cruiser.

IHateNids wrote:Well yeah, but some one earlier was on about what an imperium army has and our stuff to equal/beat it.

I pointed out something that we can't equal.

Even so, it's irrelevant to bring up something that the SM cannot use.

Nova Cannon, space marines can use them and they can destroy anything they damn well please

TheAngrySquig wrote:Nova Cannon, space marines can use them and they can destroy anything they damn well please

Nova cannons are weaker then nukes. 1d5 hits for a nova canon, 1d5+4 for a 340kt nuke. WIthin a planets atmosphere they both have about the same aoe as well.

I speak with limited militay knowledge here...

Big guns. Or a cliff.

I think we should go by fluff, not RT stats, and I don't think a space marine can just throw a nuke, whereas one can use a NC by himself

TheAngrySquig wrote:I think we should go by fluff, not RT stats, and I don't think a space marine can just throw a nuke, whereas one can use a NC by himself

Please explain how one space marine is fireing this by himself???




And, again, if you want to talk fluff.SM do not have access to nova cannons by law according to fluff, so how would they use one?

My bear hands...
...no seriously I have bear hands

TheAngrySquig wrote:Nova Cannon, space marines can use them and they can destroy anything they damn well please

One Space Marine.
One SM can carry around, load, and fire a gun so large it dwarfs most buildings.
A nova cannon is not as portable as you seem to think it is.

BaronIveagh wrote:

BeRzErKeR wrote:
First point; I would be highly skeptical about the continued validity of anything from RT.

Second part; source? What makes you think that modern equipment is higher-quality than Imperial equipment? I don't know of anything that talks about that subject, but my assumption would honestly be the reverse. . .

Since this particular RT book was printed just last year, I would hope it's still valid.

A standard imperial nuke has a total devastation area of just five to ten km. That's only a 340kt bomb, or slightly less then the Soviet Union's first H bomb, Joe-4. Compare this to the US Mk28 mod 5 (the bomb used in Doctor Strangelove), a 1.4mt bomb produced throughout the 60's. The last was retired in 1991.

Against a starship's shields, that same 340kt bomb counts as 1d5+4 macrobattery hits, (1d10+6 damage per hit) or slightly better then the firepower of single Lunar class cruiser.

Its not that the books might be old, its that the RT books are FFG, not GW. And they have had a very liberal interpretation of the fluff in some cases...