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LunaHound wrote:

Davor wrote:

ShatteredBlade wrote:And so, I have to sit and wait to build my hive fleet.

I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.

I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.

To be fair, if an official model is supposed to be released supposedly this month ( from the original rumor )
he might as well as wait if he doesnt want to kit bash or sculpt his own, its perfectly normal.
The only reason the wait continues is the rumor turned out to be inaccurate.

That is true, but to get so upset over a rumour and then sound like "I am taking my ball and going home" over a rumour just seems childish too me. I guess because I see this on so many forums it just seems like everyone is whining now, when maybe they were not. Still making a one line sentence makes it look like that so he could have worded it better then.

Kroothawk wrote:

Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.

I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.

Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...

Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either. Then again nothing is wrong with "counts as". Here is a carnifex, it's a Tervigon or Tyrannofex. Not that big of a deal. Ok I understand people would like to use minis that look like they are in the book. Thing is don't complain if you don't want to convert. Again pretty petty to complain about something so trivial.

puma713 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.

I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.

Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...

Not only that, but some people actually like to have official models rather than kitbashing. Not having a Tervigon kit is what is keeping me from starting my Nids back up, so I am waiting.

It doesn't make him (or me) foolish to do what we do. We don't require your comprehension to validate our reasoning.

I understand people like to have Official minis. So do I. I also know that 40K and this Hobby doesn't have everything represented and so either you have to convert one, or use "counts as". I am not validating your reasoning at all. I am just asking why, since most people are really complaining for no reasoning. Why even start then when you know that alot of the minis will not be made.

After all, we are all Geeks and Nerds here. We are complaining about plastic toy soldiers. I would love to see you guys go out in public and collect a petition with actual paper and pen and ask people to sign the petition "why GW MUST make minis for everthing in all codicies" and then see the looks you will get with people. I am not validating anything, some of you guys are trying to do so by making excuses for your actions. I will say no more since it seems a few people are getting upset.

puma713 wrote:
Watch the release be damn Thunderwolves, after I just received my Mythicast ones.

There's nothing else it could really be; the only other things Wolves are missing are Fenrisian Wolves and special characters from this century.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:So how is Hastings track record when it comes to rumors? More reliable than StickMonkey or Ghost I take it?

I'm more reliable than those two. Hastings is about as good as Harry, and worth listening to even if his dates aren't 100% accurate all the time, as those change frequently I take it.

From what I gather, all the rumour people are pretty reliable who have been wrong from time to time and have been correct alot of times. So basically it's a hit and miss right now.

Davor wrote:Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either.

This quote had me laughing. Right up there with the LOTR players harping on about how they'd not gotten anything for (gasp) nearly 2 years (For the record, they've gotten more than Tyranid players have since their codex was released. SERIOUSLY).

Also, please understand that Tyranids are missing a significant chunk of their range that aren't special characters.

DA - missing nothing.
Eldar - missing nothing (some models outdated).
Orks - missing SCs and Flash Gits.
Daemons - missing SCs.
CSM - missing nothing (though some models severely outdated)
SMs - missing conversion beamer for Techpriests and Khan on bike.
BA - missing nothing.
DE- missing SCs.
GK - missing SCs.
IG - missing SCs, Penal Legion, Medusa, Colossus, Griffon
SoB - missing nothing.
Necrons - missing SCs, Triarch Stalkers, Tomb Blades, Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, Doom Scythes and Night Scythes.
Tyranids - missing SCs, Tyranid Prime, Ymgarls, Mycetic Spores, Tervigons, Shrikes, Sky-slashers, Harpy and Tyrannofex.

Note, for this I'm not considering FW to count.

Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.

Don't. Even. Go. There.
SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Davor wrote:Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either.

This quote had me laughing. Right up there with the LOTR players harping on about how they'd not gotten anything for (gasp) nearly 2 years (For the record, they've gotten more than Tyranid players have since their codex was released. SERIOUSLY).

Also, please understand that Tyranids are missing a significant chunk of their range that aren't special characters.

DA - missing nothing.
Eldar - missing nothing (some models outdated).
Orks - missing SCs and Flash Gits.
Daemons - missing SCs.
CSM - missing nothing (though some models severely outdated)
SMs - missing conversion beamer for Techpriests and Khan on bike.
BA - missing nothing.
DE- missing SCs.
GK - missing SCs.
IG - missing SCs, Penal Legion, Medusa, Colossus, Griffon
SoB - missing nothing.
Necrons - missing SCs, Triarch Stalkers, Tomb Blades, Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, Doom Scythes and Night Scythes.
Tyranids - missing SCs, Tyranid Prime, Ymgarls, Mycetic Spores, Tervigons, Shrikes, Sky-slashers, Harpy and Tyrannofex.

Note, for this I'm not considering FW to count.

Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.

Don't. Even. Go. There.
SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.

Orks are also missing warbuggies not to mention meganobs and grot gun batterys are too expensive/out of date/ still only metal.

Please keep in mind that for the majority of missing figures for other armies, they are not core choices. Tervigons especially are included in nearly every list for Tyranids, while the other models listed are either A: easily converted (an ork is an ork) or B: novelties (SCs).

Where the necrons were given quite a few of their new units, Tyranids got the Trygon, Hive Guard, Pyrovores, and a resculpt of raveners and gargoyles into plastic. In effect, we got 3 new units, one of which is such a joke for rules that it can't even fulfill the role it seems to have been intended for.

it is not sour grapes from Tyranid players, it's simply frustrated wondering on when the heck we'll get the rest of our army.

You forgot that SMs are missing tons of dreadnaught options, land speeder options and razorback options and combi weapons. All of which are important for wysiwyg. Also missing bike/jumpack librarian, bike techmarine and non Ultramarine honor guard.

Grey knights are missing certain henchies.

IG are missing vets and hydra flack

Grimgob wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.

Don't. Even. Go. There.
SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.

Orks are also missing warbuggies not to mention meganobs and grot gun batterys are too expensive/out of date/ still only metal.

These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.

Also, which SCs are the SWs missing? Only one I can think of without a model is Arjac. Logan, Ragnar, and Ulrik all have (old) models, Njal has his old and new models, and Lukas and Canis are new with models.

Tyranids have been getting the shaft since their codex came out, this is, sadly, nothing new. Hopefully we will at least see what the official base sizes for the models will be, since my understanding is that the conversions vary enough between 'Fex bases and Trygon bases to cause trouble. Dismissing the concerns of Tyranid players is pretty much just being a jerk.


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Surtur wrote:You forgot that SMs are missing tons of dreadnaught options, land speeder options and razorback options and combi weapons. All of which are important for wysiwyg. Also missing bike/jumpack librarian, bike techmarine and non Ultramarine honor guard.

Grey knights are missing certain henchies.

IG are missing vets and hydra flack

In the cases of dreadnought options, you at least have some idea what to work with/for. We know what combi-weapons look like, we know what the different vehicle weapons look like and so forth.

No such luck for Tyranid players, who as mentioned before have no idea what size base their conversions even belong on. Sucks to be those people who use a Trygon base only to find out their models are suddenly illegal.

I suppose it's all academic for me though, I shelved my Nids for Orks quite awhile ago.

Granted WYSIWYG is very important to the game, but much of what you listed (Space Marine stuff) can be fairly easily converted or kitbashed to get what need, and have it look really good in the process.

At least half of what's missing from the Tyranid line (Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Harpy, Mycetic Spores) cannot have the same said for them.

Tyranid rumors? I don't see Tyranids on this latest bit of rumor mongering:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/

I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.

BrassScorpion wrote:Tyranid rumors? I don't see Tyranids on this latest bit of rumor mongering:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/

I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.

Go back a page (on here, the Tyranid rumour thread) and you will find some rumours.
And thats the new books schedule, not the other releases. You don't think GW will only have 3 40k releases all year do you?

streamdragon wrote:Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal.

Yes... yes it is. I have ripped a Battlefoam 420 back once already with my 2000pt army... granted it was the first material they made the 420s out of, but... yeah, that sucked. I feel bad that you tyranid players don't have your wave 2 yet, but I'm still patiently waiting for my wave 1... *sigh*

And thats the new books schedule, not the other releases. You don't think GW will only have 3 40k releases all year do you?

No I don't, but I still found it interesting that they didn't appear on that list that showed up today.

Also, many dreadnaught options can be found from Forgeworld.

I'd gladly pay a premium so long as I at least HAD the option.

A line of thought on the recent developments from the Playtest leak (or whatever it's being called now); even if BoW is correct with their report, while it throws the question of the rules into flux, it does pose an interesting tidbit of information that was not contradicted: the Cerebore was still mentioned in the fluff as a transport, so who knows we may still be on track for that at some point.

Revarien wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal.

Yes... yes it is. I have ripped a Battlefoam 420 back once already with my 2000pt army... granted it was the first material they made the 420s out of, but... yeah, that sucked. I feel bad that you tyranid players don't have your wave 2 yet, but I'm still patiently waiting for my wave 1... *sigh*

The issue was whether or not the model existed, not whether it was the ideal form. I have 2,000+ points of SoB, so believe me I feel your pain. Not being able to convert because the vast majority of the models are single piece molds doesn't help either. Despite that, we actually have the models. Perhaps not in the fashion we'd like, but again, should we desire to convert we at least know what to strive for. Tyranid players can't say the same for all their units/models.

Incidentally, what "wave 1" are you waiting on?

Davor wrote:[plastic toy soldiers

This is the Godwin's Law-equivalent of miniature gaming. If you try to belittle someone's hobby by using that term, you invalidate your argument.

streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.

Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.

To me at least the unavailabilty of the Hive Tyrant is an indication something is up with Tyranids. Reminds me of what went down with Necrons before the codex.

A quick note - The Ork Mega Nobs models now are missing the basic Meganob with TL shoota.

That model disappeared a while ago and hasn't been replaced. You have the Skorcha and Rokkits - but the basic one is gone.

I will add though - small holes only in the ork army. The great devourer is in dire need of support.

BrassScorpion wrote:Tyranid rumors? I don't see Tyranids on this latest bit of rumor mongering:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/

I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.

What 75hastings69 said on warseer today:

Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?331538-Rumors-from-BoK-Release-schedule&p=6061636#post6061636

Pretty sure Kroothawk has posted this up in 2-3 threads already (including this one)

Grimgob wrote:

streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.

Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.

How are those ugly? I think they look great.

Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".

Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.

All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!

/rant

I think it sad that they can call it a second wave. Outside of the codex itself, it was more of a ripple.

Screaming Echo wrote:

Grimgob wrote:

streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.

Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.

How are those ugly? I think they look great.

Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".

Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.

All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!

/rant

I can't hate Old One Eye, mostly because of his name being a hilarious bit of innuendo.

Also I'm pretty sure the Tyranid second wave is an urban myth.

streamdragon wrote:Incidentally, what "wave 1" are you waiting on?

I don't want to stray too far off topic, but 'Wave 1' sisters... multipart plastics, is what I'm referring too

As for Tyranid players not having figs for some models... yeah, that does suck indeed... though while we have all of our models...and extras now (my cannoness used to have a JUMP PACK! >.< without much conversion or variation possibilities... I gotta say the FLGS Tyranid players have come up with some fantastic conversions for their missing models... a guy used left over bits from 2 trygons and a fresh carnifex to make whatever that birthing tyranid is (can't remember the name sadly)... and used the giant orcs and goblins spider for his tyranifex.... they look freaking terrifying...

Having said that, though... I just wish they'd release all models with each release... but I know their staggered releases is probably what helps their stock value stay steady... (my personal opinion was that it was a mistake for them to go public in the first place.... they should buy all outstanding shares and reclaim that their individuality, but that's just an opinion of course).

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

Screaming Echo wrote:

Grimgob wrote:

streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.

Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.

How are those ugly? I think they look great.

Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".

Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.

All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!

/rant

I can't hate Old One Eye, mostly because of his name being a hilarious bit of innuendo.

Oh dear...

Yes. 'Hilarious' indeed.

More like mildly amusing for anyone past puberty, but to each their own.

Tyranid names and the model range are full of wang jokes.

-Loki- wrote:Tyranid names and the model range are full of wang jokes.

I dunno, reading the names right now and my minds drawing a blank :\

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:So how is Hastings track record when it comes to rumors? More reliable than StickMonkey or Ghost I take it?

Hasting is accurate, accurate enough for us to know he is telling the truth.

Ghost21 on the other hands speculates the same way those online "psychic hotline" works.

Here watch this, i'll do the same:

Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )

etc etc