Rumors for Chaos Space Marines - Upd 8/12/2012 in OP

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**Brother SRM**

And don't forget Phil Kelly wrote Orks and Eldar, which are both still holding up well for their age. More the Orks than Eldar though, but there are still decent and competitive builds for both that reflect the character of the army.

**Darkseid**

BDJV wrote:Well Kelly did a pretty bang up job making the Space Wolves well rounded (even thought everyone and his mother are spamming Fangs), so I am looking for a similar treatment for Chaos.

True, I completely forgot that he wrote the SW dex too.

Yeah, he did a good job with those and they are still going strong.

**BDJV**

Hastings just posted this on Warseer in the 2012 releases thread.

The csm dread looks like a very angry roided up oblit, the new "mauler" cc oblits are good

**blood reaper**

Sounds a bit like the image from the 40K Rule Book of the Word Bearers Dread.

**Darkseid**

Mauler Oblits and Shooty Oblits? I don't want to wishlist but I hazard the guess, that this one will be a plastic dual kit.

**BDJV**

Darkseid wrote:Mauler Oblits and Shooty Oblits? I don't want to wishlist but I hazard the guess, that this one will be a plastic dual kit.

I am hoping for this as well!

**blood reaper**

Darkseid wrote:Mauler Oblits and Shooty Oblits? I don't want to wishlist but I hazard the guess, that this one will be a plastic dual kit.

Makes sense, like the Lychguard and Praetorian's, but I'd imagine a single figure kit with the price tag of a Spyder due to the nature of GW.

**Brother SRM**

blood reaper wrote:
Darkseid wrote:Mauler Oblits and Shooty Oblits? I don't want to wishlist but I hazard the guess, that this one will be a plastic dual kit.

Makes sense, like the Lychguard and Praetorians, but I'd imagine a single figure kit with the price tag of a Spyder due to the nature of GW.

"Yes, I'd imagine they'd be this way that makes sense and has precedent, but they could also be this completely different way that doesn't make sense for models of their size or GW's business model."
Considering how many kits have been "3 biggish guys with lots of options" lately, both in Fantasy and 40k, that's what I'd expect.

**Sephyr**

I really like Phil Kelly's books. Space Wolves may be eminently abusable, but it was also nicely themed, allows for multiple builds and has a lot of character.

Dark Eldar was actually a grand 5th Edition codex in my book: absolutely deadly and fast, but incredibly fragile. It also allowed for tons of builds (Wych cults, shooty venomspam, wrack swarm, mixed armies). It may not have topped the tournaments, but it was fun and an example of good design. Too bad 6th Ed impacted it so harshly, but that's not his fault.

Orks are a codex that aged well. It's actually a good balance of orky chaos and workable rules, though it obviously suffered a bit to deal with the durable vehicles of 5th Ed. By now it's also showing some wrinkles, but what dex of similar age isn't?

Eldar may be the least good of his books. Like the latest CSM codex, it suffers a bit from oversimplification and trying to normalize a varied army too much. That seemed to be the company's design choice at the time, though. And he did nail down the Eldar theme of being the best support psykers in the game like a boss.

Here's hoping CSM keeps the good streak going.

**unmercifulconker**

Reading some disgusting stuff over at warseer, saying no chaos next month, just updates to demons. AAARRGGGGGHHHH

I hope to Khorne this is false.

**Cerebrium**

Yeah, that's what I'm reading too. My rage will eclipse Khorne's if this is true.

**Steve steveson**

Sephyr wrote:I really like Phil Kelly's books. Space Wolves may be eminently abusable, but it was also nicely themed, allows for multiple builds and has a lot of character.

Dark Eldar was actually a grand 5th Edition codex in my book: absolutely deadly and fast, but incredibly fragile. It also allowed for tons of builds (Wych cults, shooty venomspam, wrack swarm, mixed armies). It may not have topped the tournaments, but it was fun and an example of good design. Too bad 6th Ed impacted it so harshly, but that's not his fault.

Orks are a codex that aged well. It's actually a good balance of orky chaos and workable rules, though it obviously suffered a bit to deal with the durable vehicles of 5th Ed. By now it's also showing some wrinkles, but what dex of similar age isn't?

Eldar may be the least good of his books. Like the latest CSM codex, it suffers a bit from oversimplification and trying to normalize a varied army too much. That seemed to be the company's design choice at the time, though. And he did nail down the Eldar theme of being the best support psykers in the game like a boss.

Here's hoping CSM keeps the good streak going.

Ye, so true. The Ork Codex is still very good. Yes, it has a few problems, but still very playable, which is more than can be said for any of the other 4th ed codexes that are still in use. As a DA player however, it upsets me that Phil is writting Chaos as it means he probably didn't write DA :(

**Alpharius**

BDJV wrote:Hastings just posted this on Warseer in the 2012 releases thread.

The csm dread looks like a very angry roided up oblit, the new "mauler" cc oblits are good

CSM Dread as a beefed up Obliterator in terms of looks?

Awful idea.

But then again, through the magic of 'counts as', I think we'll still be OK to use better looking options...

I've never been a fan of the official Obliterator models - they never seemed to be able to get the blend of organic and metallic right on them.

**aka_mythos**

Alpharius wrote:

CSM Dread as a beefed up Obliterator in terms of looks?

Awful idea.

Things to consider its rumored to no longer be called a "dreadnought" which implies a broadening of the concept. Wanting something that's supposed to only be related to a dreadnought to remain looking identical to a dreadnought ignores the broader concept a bit.

Next there is suppose to be a larger than dreadnought smaller than defiler, daemon engine someone could simply be mixing up what their looking at and simply describing it in terms of what people are familiar with.

Finally this could just be a specific dreadnought-like variant and not necessarily all such versions of multi-part kit.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Yeah I must admit, I'd not be complaining too much if Our Dread shifts into a Wraithlord, rather have high tougness and save, than armour for a model that needs to lug across the battlefield.

Of course it might be as it was, to represent Daemonic possession or something, but not long to find out now.

**SlaveToDorkness**

I can't wait until BoW has some hastily drawn sketches from concept art we've already seen to clear this all up.

No wait, yes I can.

**Sidstyler**

SlaveToDorkness wrote:I can't wait until BoW has some hastily drawn sketches from concept art we've already seen to clear this all up.

No wait, yes I can.

Where was the existing concept art for the storm talon and Ork bommer?

**pretre**

BOW actually has a good record for early leaks.

**Slinky**

Sidstyler wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:I can't wait until BoW has some hastily drawn sketches from concept art we've already seen to clear this all up.

No wait, yes I can.

Where was the existing concept art for the storm talon and Ork bommer?

Quite - is the past being revised to make the BoW sketches NOT the first time we saw those?

**unmercifulconker**

Im going to have a nightmare tonight that the leaks will reveal demons and no csm or flyers, I am scared

**Brother SRM**

unmercifulconker wrote:Im going to have a nightmare tonight that the leaks will reveal demons and no csm or flyers, I am scared

Ah, so the stickmonkey approach to coming up with rumors.

**unmercifulconker**

Whats the stickmonkey way?

Have some of the demon models been unavailable for a while? Like the screamers

**Kroothawk**

Conflicting rumours whether we will see the CSM Codex next month (or next week in WD):

Erazmus_M_Wattle wrote:I can confirm for you all that codex Chaos Space Marines will be released in October at the earliest.

The White Dwarf features Daemons. Lots of them but no Chaos Marines. The month after is the 40k starter box so that means no codex until October. I'm a bit bummed out by this but I suppose it gives me longer to save up.

However the boxed game sounds like it's going to be pretty sweet so perhaps I won't actually have any money left.

Kijamon wrote:Someone on Reddit saying much the same

"So in next months white dwarf there is going to be a leaflet with updates for Codex daemons and daemons in fantasy.

Some changes to old units, flamers are now only S4 in fantasy and some units have had point changes. ect.

Also new units slannesh massive chariot (2D6 +1 impact hits) and other weird chariot thing in 1 kit. the other thing looks and acts kind of like a mobile meat lawnmower. this is in both games and acts like a chariot in 40K.

also soul grinders are coming to fantasy! has T7 6 wounds and a load of upgrades for its shooting. looks pretty mental. the model (40K kit) in the white dwarf and leaflet was on the same base as the giant goblin spider.

also new models for plague bearers (really really nice, some have fly heads) screamers (look similar but with lots of eyes), flamers (similar) and nurgalings (looks like a pile of funny little germ monsters you might get in a dish washer advert).

Also new beastman shaman.

should be out next week ."
(...)
Same reddit guy mentions the "next month" page shows a librarian fighting a chaos space marine

http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/wypdw/new_codexarmy_book_deamon_updates/

Faeit 212 wrote:It looks like within a few short hours we will start to get more information about our first 6th edition codex. Chaos Space Marines. This of course is coming from so many different directions, that I would just about drop the codex from the rumor section, however the rule is: Not til we get pictures or thing is our hands.

Here is what I am expecting over the next few days.

First off Tastytaste is promising his readers something within 48 hours. Not only that over at Blood of Kittens he as declared Phil Kelly is the author. I thought we knew that, but apparently looking back over what I have posted, it was still up for grabs a little.

I expect pictures from the White Dwarf within the same 48 hour time frame. I even expect the information early tomorrow, but its hard to say for sure when things arrive. I am at the mercy of sources and when they get the information and are able to get the information to us here on Faeit 212 we will have it posted up.

Information from White Dwarf and from the codex is what I would expect to see over the next week. As things get clearer towards the end of the week, the information should start to get better, and I am hoping that there is a few bombshells to drop, as we get information on things like flyers, Daemon Princes, the new Chaos Dreadnought type (hellbeast), and more.

This next week is going to be full of rumors, pictures and other other information, so stay tuned and if your not excited about Chaos Space Marines, then at least get pumped up to see the first codex release of 6th edition.

**Brother SRM**

Same guy on Reddit also says Plaguebearers are 10 to a box, unsure of price.

**unmercifulconker**

Im starting to rationalise again, I am going to stick with the multiple sources saying csm next month than a guy on reddit.

I guess though a later release would be worse news for dark angel players, 2013 release for them?

**Ehsteve**

Brother SRM wrote:Same guy on Reddit also says Plaguebearers are 10 to a box, unsure of price.

Any mention of whether they are plastic or resin?

If plastic: awesome, I can finally finish off my Carnival of Chaos with all the bits!

**Sidstyler**

unmercifulconker wrote:Im starting to rationalise again, I am going to stick with the multiple sources saying csm next month than a guy on reddit.

I guess though a later release would be worse news for dark angel players, 2013 release for them?

Either that or DA get pushed forward because GW realized their mistake in pushing a different army other than loyalist Space Marines.

**unmercifulconker**

Are DA loyalist though?

**Sharkvictim**

protonhunter wrote:The major telling point most people seem to be ignoring- this is all IMHO of course- is space available in the new codex, Don't think for a moment that they can shove as many things as they want into a single codex...
... There simply isn't enough space in the troop choice slot to allow 4 cults to stay in troop choice while we're also adding the cultists. Who may I remind you are themselves are supposed to branch off into multiple types when you chose certain HQ's. This further damages the possibility for Cult terminators unless you see them as a possible heavy choice (doubtful).

I don't know about this. It is possible to physically save space in a codex and give cult termie options. Give them the Wolf Guard treatment. And as a fervent chaos player the last thing I want to see is a codex that hampers chaos, or cut and pastes crap from other codices, but we could do alot worse than let's say Plague Marines are elites that cost you X points + wargear options and character upgrades, but if you want you can upgrade the squad to TDA with power weapons + TL bolters and then whatever termie options they get. Now they're a troop choice because you took Typhus (or whoever) as an HQ choice.
Compared to the codex we have now I'll take the devil I don't know to the devil I do.
I've been soapboxing the cult-marines-as-elites thing for years now, I think it's a good idea. The only caveat being that the wargear options need to get better, or exist to begin with (looking at you, Thousand Sons).
My big gripe going into this codex is that I hope that simply taking a lord/sorcerer dedicated to Nurgle will let me take PMs as a troop choice, and not be cornered into taking Typhus (or any other named Nurgle-ite) to make that happen.
I'm still excited about cultists. If they truly are in the box set then It will have to release concurrent or after the CSM codex, or one would assume.

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unmercifulconker wrote:I am going to stick with ___(person)___ saying csm next month than a guy on reddit.

You can put anything there, truly.

**whoadirty**

The second Reddit rumour Kroot posted could possibly be true if it was combined with a CSM release, couldn't it? Kind of a super Chaos month?