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Ah, I see. My apologies again...your ancestors and their fellows undoubtedly got the shortest stick out of everyone that came into contact with the USA.
Yeah, I count as a class 2 citizen (Unregistered Native) in my own country for two reasons: my mother was Irish. and 2) The USA forced some really gakky treaties on us that dictate who is and is not allowed to be a citizen of both, and to what degrees we are citizens to each one. (The idea is to get us to give up, join the US, and finish dying the feth off.) On the up side, our treaty is marginally better then most, the US recognizes the Seneca as a sovereign nation that they just happen to be occupying and have been for quite some time, as we're far more dangerous then Al Queda. Who knows when those red savages will come howling out of the forest and burn their cities to the ground, stealing away their women folk with our good looks and the fact that we practice the heathen belief that women are the ones in charge, not the other way around.
That's harsh...technically speaking, the whole North American continent is your land...I'm pretty sure even Okinawans are treated better by the Tokyo government than what you guys have to go through.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
That's harsh...technically speaking, the whole North American continent is your land...I'm pretty sure even Okinawans are treated better by the Tokyo government than what you guys have to go through.
Things have been improving. Now that we have lawyers and large amounts of money to fight back. The nice thing is that the very greed that caused them to steal our territory also drives them into our casinos by the busload. We finally ejected the New York state police and have been arresting and deporting Federal agents who illegally raid our homes. The real problem is that Salamanca is rented by the US, and therefor natives tend to get the short end in our own capital. Beatings by police are not unknown if the SMs are not present, and most natives save the very richest and most influential live in the surrounding towns and villages. To paraphrase a mob movie, there are many holes in the forest.
And, technically, we only held from what is now Western New York to what is now Sandusky, Ohio to be ours, and shared it with several other smaller groups aligned with us.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
That's harsh...technically speaking, the whole North American continent is your land...I'm pretty sure even Okinawans are treated better by the Tokyo government than what you guys have to go through.
Things have been improving. Now that we have lawyers and large amounts of money to fight back. The nice thing is that the very greed that caused them to steal our territory also drives them into our casinos by the busload. We finally ejected the New York state police and have been arresting and deporting Federal agents who illegally raid our homes. The real problem is that Salamanca is rented by the US, and therefor natives tend to get the short end in our own capital. Beatings by police are not unknown if the SMs are not present, and most natives save the very richest and most influential live in the surrounding towns and villages. To paraphrase a mob movie, there are many holes in the forest.
Good for you...
And, technically, we only held from what is now Western New York to what is now Sandusky, Ohio to be ours, and shared it with several other smaller groups aligned with us.
I meant the Native American ethnic groups as a whole.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
2012/08/23 04:38:06
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
The bad part is, while the US has granted us hte right to repurchase our territory, one little bit at a time, we're not allowed to invite back the portion of the Seneca they deported to Oklahoma, or about 9/10ths of the still living Seneca. WE're still working on how to get around that so they can come home after about 200 years. (New York set up a marvelous divide and conquer plan by inviting them back without first getting around the treaties, in an effort to annul them and blame us at the same time. It didn't fly)
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Coolyo294 wrote: What does any of this have to do with benign Warp entities?
Ah, sorry, He wanted to know, if the little flag was wrong, what nationality I was. Which, if you've ever talked to one of us, is a good way to get a very long story, though one worth the hearing. We're still here, the though US has used plagues, guns, and even tried to drown us.
I'll let the man in black tell an interesting tale about why we're still pissed off at the US.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
The bad part is, while the US has granted us hte right to repurchase our territory, one little bit at a time, we're not allowed to invite back the portion of the Seneca they deported to Oklahoma, or about 9/10ths of the still living Seneca. WE're still working on how to get around that so they can come home after about 200 years. (New York set up a marvelous divide and conquer plan by inviting them back without first getting around the treaties, in an effort to annul them and blame us at the same time. It didn't fly)
And how exactly do they justify that 'inviting' your people back home is illegal? That doesn't make sense at all.
Ah, sorry, He wanted to know, if the little flag was wrong, what nationality I was. Which, if you've ever talked to one of us, is a good way to get a very long story, though one worth the hearing. We're still here, the though US has used plagues, guns, and even tried to drown us.
Wait, drown?
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
2012/08/23 07:24:00
Subject: Re:Are good daemons theoretically possible?
And how exactly do they justify that 'inviting' your people back home is illegal? That doesn't make sense at all.
Terms of the treaty. The treaty stipulated that they had to leave. Mind you, it was written in the early 1800's, so getting Indians off the land white people wanted was the point. If the people who left returned, it would have broken the treaty and, in this case, probably cost us our sovereignty, which, I think, was New York's idea all along.
And how exactly do they justify that 'inviting' your people back home is illegal? That doesn't make sense at all.
Terms of the treaty. The treaty stipulated that they had to leave. Mind you, it was written in the early 1800's, so getting Indians off the land white people wanted was the point. If the people who left returned, it would have broken the treaty and, in this case, probably cost us our sovereignty, which, I think, was New York's idea all along.
Freedom, equality, and self-determination my ass...more like freedom to profit off of other people's misfortunes.
EDIT: Before someone spouts pro-American Empire sentiments, ask yourselves why South and Latin America and the Middle East simmer with anti-American hatred, or why China and Russia don't trust America - even allies like Japan and South Korea view America with caution.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
2012/08/23 15:33:02
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
Wait. We're back onto this international dispute again? When are you guys going to focus on what this thread is meant to be about...
Anyway, just a question for those who know what I'm talking about. Should I restart the fluff thread? I'll be more mature this time, ad I'll keep updating the OP as the fluff develops.
Currently attempting to put together a homebrew non-canon Space Marine chapter. If I can be bothered to getting around to painting the models and putting the things together of course...
I might point out that our punishments for war criminals are 'cruel and unusual' (being burned alive over a period of several days, with parts of them being cooked and force fed to them). If you want a punishment that discourages something, hanging and gas chambers don't even come close.
That kind of petty vengeance makes you as savage as the people you are punishing.
Regardless of the severity of the punishment, it would not have deterred any of these men from doing what they did. Their experiments were fully sanctioned by their respective governments, so the thought of punishment never arose, and it takes a certain kind of inner conviction to be able to dehumanize your subjects to such an extent.
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That kind of petty vengeance makes you as savage as the people you are punishing.
The law says the victims families determine the punishment (though it must be something of equal value, though what is equal value to 100 people's lives?). Last time we caught and tried someone for what are now crimes against humanity, that was the sentence the victims families passed. The newspapers largely left out what he did, or that he was tried first for the murdering of over 100 civilians (and the looting of their possessions afterwards, 80 horse loads), and found guilty due to what is now called command responsibility.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2012/08/23 19:03:25
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
I've just realised what you meant by that.
After about a month.
Currently attempting to put together a homebrew non-canon Space Marine chapter. If I can be bothered to getting around to painting the models and putting the things together of course...
2012/10/17 15:40:07
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
It seems that negative emotions are almost always more powerful than positive ones. This is why world leaders often use fear over just being a good person. (Dictators usually) it is easier to betray someone that seems soft, than someone that will have your whole family killed for looking at them the wrong way. Hate, fear, dread, sorrow are all extremely powerful things.
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." "We are judged in life by the evil we destroy." "I am going to drastically thin the enemies ranks."
2012/10/17 20:13:45
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
xXSir MontyXx wrote: It seems that negative emotions are almost always more powerful than positive ones. This is why world leaders often use fear over just being a good person. (Dictators usually) it is easier to betray someone that seems soft, than someone that will have your whole family killed for looking at them the wrong way. Hate, fear, dread, sorrow are all extremely powerful things.
Conversely, artists can influence the world without those things.
It's not so much that they're more powerful, it's that they're easy to invoke. It takes skill and ability to invoke positive emotions to instill loyalty. Any moron can scare someone. A six year old at a haunted house can do it. The real reason is that the average dictator doesn't have anything else.
I will say that some dictators do catch on and figure out how to instill loyalty in the populace without being overtly ruthless. Fidel Castro seems to be one of these rare leaders to pick up on this, though rather late in the game.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2012/10/17 20:29:55
Subject: Are benign Warp entities theoretically possible?
Fluff for the Fluff God! 
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." 