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I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.

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The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can'ttier 1 see that at equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 warboss wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can'ttier 1 see that at equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.


This kind of issue was inevitable though, as soon as they decided to try and take in the whole of 40K in one game engine rather than the more focused(and some would say more sensible) approach of the previous RPGs there were bound to be at least a few things that seem out of place or wrongly categorised. You simply can't map the whole of 40K, or even just the "highlights" of 40K, onto such a small number of "tiers" without generating some oddities.

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Oh man, so hoping for a Kroot PC!
Wouldn't be surprising, Rogue Trader had a Kroot PC class.
   
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 warboss wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can'ttier 1 see that at equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.


Thye should do it that way with the old MSH ability ratings - so a Eldar would have Remarkable agility and a Imperial Knight would have Monsterous Strength ;0

Interested to see what this ends up like but unless the system is somehow awesome AND different to what I already have in various forms including reskins, I will only really be interested in the fluff, art etc - which I did enjoy with Dark Heresy and its children.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can't see that equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.


This kind of issue was inevitable though, as soon as they decided to try and take in the whole of 40K in one game engine rather than the more focused(and some would say more sensible) approach of the previous RPGs there were bound to be at least a few things that seem out of place or wrongly categorised. You simply can't map the whole of 40K, or even just the "highlights" of 40K, onto such a small number of "tiers" without generating some oddities.


True and I agree it's a case of preference. Personally, I'd be comfortable seeing each "race" straddle at least 3 tiers with some starting higher than others (like eldar at 2 or marines at 3). It just seems an odd choice to me to put an eldar corsair at the same tier as a standard guardsmen when there is a (at least for me) more sensible tier 2 option. YMMV.

   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can'ttier 1 see that at equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.


Thye should do it that way with the old MSH ability ratings - so a Eldar would have Remarkable agility and a Imperial Knight would have Monsterous Strength ;0



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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but over on RPG.net one of the posters says that he's writing one of the first adventures for Wrath & Glory and it will be Eldar-only.

Critias on RPG.net wrote:Ross gave me the go ahead to say so (in a recent podcast), but I'm writing one of the first adventures for this mamajama, an Eldar-only romp.

It's cool and exciting and all that, sure, but in the meantime my wife's a little cross because I am so fighting the urge to find seasonal sales and repopulate my old Craftworld list. Like, I'm so jazzed to be working on it that it's taking a lot of willpower not to actively lose money on the project by buying a ton of wargaming stuff.

   
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AD-B posted on Facebook a while ago that he's done with his work for Wrath & Glory.

edit.

As in, wrapped it up, not fed up with it or anything.

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 monarda wrote:
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but over on RPG.net one of the posters says that he's writing one of the first adventures for Wrath & Glory and it will be Eldar-only.

Critias on RPG.net wrote:Ross gave me the go ahead to say so (in a recent podcast), but I'm writing one of the first adventures for this mamajama, an Eldar-only romp.

It's cool and exciting and all that, sure, but in the meantime my wife's a little cross because I am so fighting the urge to find seasonal sales and repopulate my old Craftworld list. Like, I'm so jazzed to be working on it that it's taking a lot of willpower not to actively lose money on the project by buying a ton of wargaming stuff.



I'd be surprised about that if it were a solo product. With the refocus on chaos and the imperium this edition in main 40k, I'd expect that to be part of a book with a half dozen adventures including apparently xenos specific POV ones. While I support the inclusion of xenos characters and campaigns, I'd expect the focus and the majority of content to be geared towards imperial players.

   
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That focus was only for the first year, though, if I remember right. 2018 was supposed to be a Xenos focus, so it would make sense to me.

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 warboss wrote:
I'd be surprised about that if it were a solo product. With the refocus on chaos and the imperium this edition in main 40k, I'd expect that to be part of a book with a half dozen adventures including apparently xenos specific POV ones. While I support the inclusion of xenos characters and campaigns, I'd expect the focus and the majority of content to be geared towards imperial players.


Why? We were told the first two setting/campaigns would be Imperial then Eldar. And while there is involvement from GW, there doesn't seem to be any decrease on what the game should be or if it has to follow the wargame. In fact it seems GW is very OK with being hands off on this and a few other things. Maybe it's because they trust Ross and team, maybe it's because they don't care and just want big cheques...
   
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FWIW, the previously posted info is now up on their blog/website for all to see. I'm not sure why they delay putting it up for more than a day or two.

http://www.ulisses-us.com/wrath-glory-designer-diary-december-2017/

   
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Couple of DH1.0 bundles are up for sale:

Essentials Bundle.
Judgement Bundle.

Each one has two tiers, and in the Judgement one The Lathe Worlds comes with The Lost Dataslate supplement, which is nice.

   
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Krieg! What a hole...

 warboss wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I would surely imagine Eldar would be tier 2 rather than 1.


I would too but that isn't what the article states. With how even the average centuries old eldar civilian's reflexes being described as incredible along with their native psychic abilities even without training, I can'ttier 1 see that at equivalent to tier 1 Private Joe Schmo, a newly inducted member of the 123rd Fodder Regiment.


What if that Eldar never held a gun in his life? Yeah his reflexes are better than a human and he's a minor psyker, but that's not gonna do much if you barely know by which end you're supposed to hold your rifle.

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Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.


Does it actually state that - I thought the Guardians were Eldar who had been Aspect Warriors in the past but were not now - after all not every Eldar will have moved along the Path of the Warrior.

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Krieg! What a hole...

They do, however I'd question how overwhelmingly good they are when the last time they picked up a shuriken catapult was hundreds of years of ago.

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Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.


Does it actually state that - I thought the Guardians were Eldar who had been Aspect Warriors in the past but were not now - after all not every Eldar will have moved along the Path of the Warrior.


Guardian are civilians who do not choose Path of the Warrior. Once go into the Path of the Warrior there was little chance of coming back because the taint of Khaine's red madness, only the Autarch can resist that.

Guardian are trained not only in using weapons, they can also pilot vehicle and control artillery. It is a duty for all Eldar to know how to fight because there're not much of them left.

To quote from the codex " Each Guardian is more than a match for any warrior from the lesser race, all Eldar can play the role of the remorseless killer should the face dictate it"

Also the Guardian mask further enhance their combat ability.

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 Bobthehero wrote:
They do, however I'd question how overwhelmingly good they are when the last time they picked up a shuriken catapult was hundreds of years of ago.

Well maybe they must attend shooting practice every month, just like the men of the village had to attend archery practice to ensure that the militia was up to a basic standard back in the day.

Or perhaps the psycho-plastic of the shuriken catapult grants experience to the Eldar that holds it through mental osmosis.
   
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Or maybe their skill don't get rusty like mon-keigh warriors

Would be hillarious to know Guardian crashed his Vyper because he forgot how to drive.
   
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Krieg! What a hole...

Well accidents do happen, even with people who drive often.

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Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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Then they wouldn't let Guardian pilot vehicle or artilery gun and just deploy them as meat shield like Conscript knowing they could just crash it anyway.

Vyper, Windrider Jet Bike, and Warw alker are all piloted by guardians.

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Krieg! What a hole...

Are you saying Eldars can't accidentally crash their vehicles, ever?

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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Chopstick wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.


Does it actually state that - I thought the Guardians were Eldar who had been Aspect Warriors in the past but were not now - after all not every Eldar will have moved along the Path of the Warrior.


Guardian are civilians who do not choose Path of the Warrior. Once go into the Path of the Warrior there was little chance of coming back because the taint of Khaine's red madness, only the Autarch can resist that.

Guardian are trained not only in using weapons, they can also pilot vehicle and control artillery. It is a duty for all Eldar to know how to fight because there're not much of them left.

To quote from the codex " Each Guardian is more than a match for any warrior from the lesser race, all Eldar can play the role of the remorseless killer should the face dictate it"

Also the Guardian mask further enhance their combat ability.


Many Eldar tread the Path of the Warrior - its the Path of the Exarch that is near inescapable - same as the Path of the Warlock versus the Path of the Farseer.

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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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Actually, Warlocks are (were? I read this in 1990, so it might have changed) seers who have previously been warriors - the Warlock role is an amalgamation of the two skillsets. Seers who haven't been warriors are bonesingers or other non-combat roles that the Codex doesn't go into.
   
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I feel like some of you don't realize that the codices tend to be written from the perspective of the featured race, so they're (intentionally) full of biased statements and propaganda. Each race believes it has the greatest warriors and has the sole right to rule the galaxy.

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Krieg! What a hole...

I get the feeling that the propaganda thing only applies to the Imperial books in the eyes of some.

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