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Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

I think the arrangement will be:
HQs
Shield Captains (Bike, Termi, Custodes armour)
Captain General

Elites
Termiantors
Contemptor
Vexilla (Terminator, both Custodian Unit Variants)

Troops
Custodian Guard
Axe Guard (though these guys could be a veteran unit and run in the Elites as well, GW does seem to like to load up the Elites slot these days)

FA
Jet Bikes

HS
Land Raider

Not an extensive army, but at the same time it's not horrible either. Basically it's what I' expect out of a smaller faction like this, and it feels like it should work well enough even without F options.

That said, FW options would definitely be welcome, and I expect at minimum we'll be seeing the Deadnoughts, and the gun carrying Custodes, and if they're really generous we'll get the tanks too.

I’ll be really interested to see what actually makes it over from FW.

 Galas wrote:

changemod wrote:
Actually I do see one downside, there's no -relatively- cheap HQ for detachment purposes. Marines can take chaplains, liutenants and such.

Thast why they have changed the min squad of normal Custodes from 5 to 3 (So you can use the other two models for a Shield Captain and the guy with the Vexilla), so at least you can make a Batallion. But yeah Custodes are gonna starve for CP's.

Hmm, maybe, but honestly considering this is an army where you expect troops and even hqs to get work done, you can take two battalions without feeling like you had much of a tax, at least hopefully.

Guyver 3 wrote:
So
Captain general
Captain
Terms captain
Bike captain

Vexilla x3 types

Termies
Guards
Bikers
Contemptor
Landraider

Is that it?

Fingers crossed for Forgeworld!

You missed mystery veteran unit that might be Hetareon.

I suppose it's not impossible they follow FW's example and split guardians and sentinels if they're already splitting off Vexilla and Shield Captain?

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Honestly, did no one read the original announcement?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/

Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Honestly, did no one read the original announcement?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/

Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.

He's wanting the new plastic kits in 30k, not the 30k stuff in 40k.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Honestly, did no one read the original announcement?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/

Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.

That is not what they are asking for.

They know you are getting rules for the 30k models in 40k but they want rules to use the new 40k model s in 30k.

I don't think time travel works in reverse in the Warhammer universe, not sure why 30k custodies would have 40k stuff

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Honestly, did no one read the original announcement?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/

Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.

Of course I was asking for 30k rules...This deals with reverse. I'm looking for 30k rules for plastic models as without them plastic models are 100% useless for me with zero reason to buy them.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I don't think time travel works in reverse in the Warhammer universe, not sure why 30k custodies would have 40k stuff

Except 40k fluff is basically little innovation in tech. Virtually every tech in 40k existed in 30k. There's no reason to think these are some weird new invention rather than just more stuff custodians had in 30k.

Fluffwise 30k is supposed to have MORE tech around than 40k. That's been one of the defining cores of 40k fluff since beginning.

FW gets 40k rules, but haven't ever seen GW stuff get 30K rules.

So I wouldn't hold your breath

tneva82 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Honestly, did no one read the original announcement?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/

Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits.

Of course I was asking for 30k rules...This deals with reverse. I'm looking for 30k rules for plastic models as without them plastic models are 100% useless for me with zero reason to buy them.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I don't think time travel works in reverse in the Warhammer universe, not sure why 30k custodies would have 40k stuff

Except 40k fluff is basically little innovation in tech. Virtually every tech in 40k existed in 30k. There's no reason to think these are some weird new invention rather than just more stuff custodians had in 30k.

Fluffwise 30k is supposed to have MORE tech around than 40k. That's been one of the defining cores of 40k fluff since beginning.

Which they've taken great strides to kill with Caw l(thankfully, how many times were we supposed to take 'oh we just happened to find this STC' or 'what are you talking about, we've ALWAYS had these!' seriously?)

Yeah it's looking more like that. Wonder why GW doesn't want to sell more models by telling FW guys to come up with rules.

My excitement is mounting. Too bad I am out of money.

I might be a sucker and (try to) buy the collectors edition, just because it's so freaking cool this time.

The Primaris one was bleh... but this one...

FW don't want to shoot themselves in the foot by removing any reason to buy their stuff, they're just doing 40k a favour by allowing use of 30k stuff there, to get Custodes off the ground a little faster as an army.

Jetbike Shield-Captains - yeah! He can joust with my Eldar Autarch

No reason except different rules so done smartly the units serve different role. Also some people(like me) prefer to spend bit more for superior looking models as bulk of army.

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Dude, they said the 30K stuff would get 40K rules with this release. Relax.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah it's looking more like that. Wonder why GW doesn't want to sell more models by telling FW guys to come up with rules.

Probably for the same reason why FW doesn't want to sell many of their models (such as the Mechanicum stuff) by providing them 40K rules. They hate money, I guess? Though in this case it is less stupid, as there are so many more 40K players than 30K players, so that's not that many lost sales. But stupid nevertheless.

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah it's looking more like that. Wonder why GW doesn't want to sell more models by telling FW guys to come up with rules.

Probably for the same reason why FW doesn't want to sell many of their models (such as the Mechanicum stuff) by providing them 40K rules. They hate money, I guess? Though in this case it is less stupid, as there are so many more 40K players than 30K players, so that's not that many lost sales. But stupid nevertheless.

Or maybe GW is too affraid of providing rules for superior game least people realize just how badly 8th ed rules suck in terms of balance and playability.

I'm curious how you visually differentiate the Shield captains from other Custodes given they are all made from the same(highly ornate) kits. Is it the cloaks? Because in that case a lot of people with existing collections may find they have gone from no HQ choice, to way to many HQ choices

Anybody else getting the feeling that given the horde-heavy meta, Custodes are going to seriously under-perform their fluff?

 EnTyme wrote:
Anybody else getting the feeling that given the horde-heavy meta, Custodes are going to seriously under-perform their fluff?

GW basically said they're elite horde-killers, so if GW met their target the Custodes should not under perform.

That said, GW is more than capable of screwing it up despite the intent.

tneva82 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah it's looking more like that. Wonder why GW doesn't want to sell more models by telling FW guys to come up with rules.

Probably for the same reason why FW doesn't want to sell many of their models (such as the Mechanicum stuff) by providing them 40K rules. They hate money, I guess? Though in this case it is less stupid, as there are so many more 40K players than 30K players, so that's not that many lost sales. But stupid nevertheless.

Or maybe GW is too affraid of providing rules for superior game least people realize just how badly 8th ed rules suck in terms of balance and playability.

Yeah, FW is manna gifted directly from God to the mouths of the true believers, we have eard that like a hundred times allready.

 EnTyme wrote:
Anybody else getting the feeling that given the horde-heavy meta, Custodes are going to seriously under-perform their fluff?

Custodes are gonna have a hard time in any kind of meta. They will lack numbers to table a enemy army unless they are other ultra-elite army. They'll lack numbers obviously to table horde armies. They'll lack numbers to win the objetive game, etc...
But look just how beautifull they are. They will be a hard army to play unless they have rules as busted as the Custode's rules for HH.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'm curious how you visually differentiate the Shield captains from other Custodes given they are all made from the same(highly ornate) kits. Is it the cloaks? Because in that case a lot of people with existing collections may find they have gone from no HQ choice, to way to many HQ choices

Cloaks and swords. I'll say "And a fancy helmet" but Custodes allready have the fancier helmets of all the Galaxy, even more fancier than Dire Avengers.

Does anyone know if this particular model is a new one? Or is it a possible variant from the Prospero box? Or a forgeworld model? Despite my interest in the custodes, I wasn't paying attention much to 40k and GW during 7th edition when they were introduced.

That one will be made from the box of "Veteran" Custodes. The ones with that "skirt".

Here in the left:

 warboss wrote:
Does anyone know if this particular model is a new one? Or is it a possible variant from the Prospero box? Or a forgeworld model? Despite my interest in the custodes, I wasn't paying attention much to 40k and GW during 7th edition when they were introduced.

Is from the new Hetaeron/Veteran kit


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Initially was excited for this release but with no word about 30k rules for these guess there's no immediate plans. Interest going down fast. At least that's money saved!

Dude, they said the 30K stuff would get 40K rules with this release. Relax.

Wrong way round dude
He's talking about 30k rules for the new stuff (no chance)

http://natfka.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/this-weeks-pre-orders-with-prices.html

Pre-order pricing is up.

Looks about right... although was expecting the terminators to be more expensive honestly. Hopefully jetbikes will be about 30 pounds too.

Spartacus wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/this-weeks-pre-orders-with-prices.html

Pre-order pricing is up.

Looks about right... although was expecting the terminators to be more expensive honestly. Hopefully jetbikes will be about 30 pounds too.

Oh, the terminators are 5 pounds cheaper than the Deathsrouds ones! And they will have more variety of weapons, customization, etc... great!
40€ instead of 45€. Thats nice. (Damm you GW, 30 pounds aren't 40€! Glad I can buy from UK)
And with those prices I'm glad I bought two Triumvirates of the Imperium and sold 2 Cawls, 1 Greyfax and 1 Celestine to basically have 1 Celestine and 1 Greyfax for 5€. (Plus, the box and the art are very nice)

Galas wrote:That one will be made from the box of "Veteran" Custodes. The ones with that "skirt".

Here in the left:

Spoiler:

Darkwrath121 wrote:Is from the new Hetaeron/Veteran kit

Thanks! Damn, I might have to pick up a box then... I think they look better than the Prospero ones.