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Besides, looking at it the fast attack and heavy support slots may be thin but the elites slot outta be reasonably full

If the Custodes codex gets rules for the whole Forgeworld range, then I'm sold. in the same way that I will forever love Forgeworld if the Fires of Cyraxus book allows me to use my Mechanicum models in 40k as well. Having armies that can be used both in Horus Heresy and 40k is the dream!

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's been rumored that Custodes will be an elite army that is more than capable of taking out hordes. There are a few ways that they could do this:

1. More attacks per model
2. Make their shooting weapons have more shots
3. Make it so their damage is never wasted (IE, a 2 damage weapon that wounds once will still kill two one-wound models)
4. have them able to trade in high strength attacks for more, lower strength attacks (kind of like Typhus)

While all of these would help some, I'm willing to bet there will be combination of these.

Of course apart from 3 all those make them still even better at taking out elite. And 3 also makes them even better vs 3 wound elites. If they make with those mincemeat of hordes imagine how nasty they will be against elite armies!

 Galas wrote:
I hope those will be availible in 40k.

I don't think they'll be in the actual Codex, but they have said that rules are coming.

Anyone want to start speculating on what the Relics, Warlord traits, and stratagems are?

Relics should be relatively predictable. I'm guessing there will be a special sword, shield, spear, and ax. (at least three of those. Perhaps something that lets you deny the witch.

Warlord traits. A bit harder. Likely something that lets you regain command points.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Anyone want to start speculating on what the Relics, Warlord traits, and stratagems are?

Relics should be relatively predictable. I'm guessing there will be a special sword, shield, spear, and ax. (at least three of those. Perhaps something that lets you deny the witch.

Warlord traits. A bit harder. Likely something that lets you regain command points.

my guess is the regain command points thing will come from Valoris.

I'm mostly concerned about the points translation of FW models to 40k.. The Venerable land raider suffered a 32% points increase (275 to 364) with the shift from 7th to 8th. I'd be fine with that same % with some units like the Coronus (as it would keep the value of 2 Coronus for the same cost as one venerable land raider) but on other units like the Contemptor Galatus and Achillus it would move them over 300 pts making them near unusable without some massive buffs (assuming their stats translate the same as other dreadnoughts did)

For now I'm still Enjoying the Venerable land raider for it's survivability and overwhelming firepower. But with the incomming reintroduction of deep strike I'm wondering how else we can spend the points previously dedicated for transport. Also of concern is the matched play restriction of 50% of models must be deployed on the table.

As of right now I'm still planning on fielding my pair of land raiders (working on couple of Mk IIb with custom printed doors and armor plating) They fit with custodes back when all we had were visions of heresy and the sabertooth games art.

Sadly I'm not enjoying the Allarus Terminators, compared to the Aquilon ones they look like custodes wrapped in more chest and bigger shoulder armor. While the Aquilon look like actually bigger terminators.

Does anyone else think we might see a points drop on custodians/contemptors/land raiders? When chapter approved came out we saw primaris units get a drop in points almost across the board (from lack of use I understand). I'm kinda worried that if we see a points drop it might be slip on the slope of codex creep.

While I'm concerned about creep I can't say I'd be upset with points reduction. Right now my custodes army at max (2k points) was only 16 models (8 units) which is going to make fitting in newer toys in the comming release rather difficult.

we'll likely see points changes as the velixa and sheild captain look like they're becoming independant units and you'll be able to deploy squads of 3. so you might have to tweek your squads some

I could see the troops getting a point or two reduction. I'd have to assume the power knife would get a mild drop too. I could see it happening for the Venerable Land Raiders as well, perhaps 10 or 15 points.


Although I have yet to assemble them, I am using WWI tanks for my Custodes Land Raiders. Heavily converted with Land Raider exhaust, Storm Raven Sponson, Marine hatches and HK missiles, and various bits to make them look Gothic. I all ready did this with my Grey Knights and Space wolves and the results are great, and it's cheaper moneywise to boot.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I could see the troops getting a point or two reduction. I'd have to assume the power knife would get a mild drop too. I could see it happening for the Venerable Land Raiders as well, perhaps 10 or 15 points.


Although I have yet to assemble them, I am using WWI tanks for my Custodes Land Raiders. Heavily converted with Land Raider exhaust, Storm Raven Sponson, Marine hatches and HK missiles, and various bits to make them look Gothic. I all ready did this with my Grey Knights and Space wolves and the results are great, and it's cheaper moneywise to boot.

this sounds neat, do you have any pictures?

BrianDavion wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I could see the troops getting a point or two reduction. I'd have to assume the power knife would get a mild drop too. I could see it happening for the Venerable Land Raiders as well, perhaps 10 or 15 points.


Although I have yet to assemble them, I am using WWI tanks for my Custodes Land Raiders. Heavily converted with Land Raider exhaust, Storm Raven Sponson, Marine hatches and HK missiles, and various bits to make them look Gothic. I all ready did this with my Grey Knights and Space wolves and the results are great, and it's cheaper moneywise to boot.

this sounds neat, do you have any pictures?

I sure do. Sorry for the blurriness, my camera isn't great. They come out to be about the same height as a real Landraider, about an inch longer, and about an inch narrower. This is my first attempt at an Imperial WWI Landraider, so it doesn't have all the bling of later ones. My Chaos one was easy to fill with chains, spikes, and blades. As an added bonus, an extra blurry pic of what my GK Razorbacks look like.

Just noticed something lame. Two of the three terminators in the warhammer community posts have the exact same pose. So you'd only get two body positions for custodes terminators.

Does anyone else see that? If I'm right, and if it's not just that these are early shots without the whole range, then all our Custodes guys are going to look very similar.

On the plus side the existing guys are very nice. I've got 5 built and another 10 to go. That's probably enough for a 2k army! I hope they've improved spears so that sword and shield isn't so obviously better, because my existing squad is built with spears.

On the FW stuff, i would be astonished if it wasn't the same as every other FW release ever. GW rules will be in GW books and FW rules in FW books, or sometimes free to download. Obviously FW will want us to be able to use custodes stuff in 40k, so they can sell it to us. Sales > all, and in this case it makes complete sense that they'd bring all their toys with them. And I guess then we'll be able to use the cool FW termies instead of the lame GW ones - if we're rich enough.

I wouldn't say the sword/shield combo is all that much better than the spear. It is by a little, I'll admit that. The spear is still a longer ranger shooter, and allows you to kill vehicles, monsters, and deathguard more easily. Of course, I might have a bias, my main opponent is Death Guard.

As far as the limited poses go, That's the beauty of an elite army. Even with limited poses we only have to see a couple clones.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/15/adeptus-custodes-preview-part-1-the-heroesgw-homepage-post-2/

The Moment Shackle is pretty nice.

Rerolling 1s to hit and wound on these guys is so good.

Bike captain, nice.

I just want to say that I called it when it comes to the Shield Captains becoming HQs.

Also like that they can be built out of every kit. Want a FA based army with a Jet Bike HQ? Well now you can!

I think I can hear the Eldar crying now.

Actually I do see one downside, there's no -relatively- cheap HQ for detachment purposes. Marines can take chaplains, liutenants and such.

changemod wrote:
Actually I do see one downside, there's no -relatively- cheap HQ for detachment purposes. Marines can take chaplains, liutenants and such.

The Shield-Captain in normal armour would probably be the cheapest you can get - I'll be using the Ixion Hale model for that and Trajann as my second HQ for a Battalion.

Yeah, there won't be any super cheap HQs inside the army for battle-forged purposes.

changemod wrote:
Actually I do see one downside, there's no -relatively- cheap HQ for detachment purposes. Marines can take chaplains, liutenants and such.

Thast why they have changed the min squad of normal Custodes from 5 to 3 (So you can use the other two models for a Shield Captain and the guy with the Vexilla), so at least you can make a Batallion. But yeah Custodes are gonna starve for CP's.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, there won't be any super cheap HQs inside the army for battle-forged purposes.

Well yeah, would never expect truly cheap in the context of this army, but some kinda specialist worth less than a full captain woulda been fairly handy.

Mandragola wrote:
Just noticed something lame. Two of the three terminators in the warhammer community posts have the exact same pose. So you'd only get two body positions for custodes terminators.

Does anyone else see that? If I'm right, and if it's not just that these are early shots without the whole range, then all our Custodes guys are going to look very similar.

I think you got that from the picture showing the captain and the same Terminator with and without helmet. There's a third pose on the banner bearer. Three models per box, each with an individual pose.





I'll be wary about the ability to build additional poses out of a second box until I see the sprues, but it doesn't look too bad for the time being. These should be a bit better than the Deathshrouds simply because of the optional character bits and not holding a weapon in two hands that limits Deathshroud poses.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, there won't be any super cheap HQs inside the army for battle-forged purposes.

I doubt anything about Custodes will be cheap.

So they said 4 HQ, and each custodes kit will be able to be built into a shield captain. So 4 kits, one on foot, one in terminator armor, one on bike and... what's the fourth? Maybe Dreadnought, but that kits already done.

 Grimgold wrote:
So they said 4 HQ, and each custodes kit will be able to be built into a shield captain. So 4 kits, one on foot, one in terminator armor, one on bike and... what's the fourth? Maybe Dreadnought, but that kits already done.

The one we already have, Terminators, Jetbikes, and the Veteran Box. The HQ of that one is in the preview, the one with the red "skirt" and white hair.

 Grimgold wrote:
So they said 4 HQ, and each custodes kit will be able to be built into a shield captain. So 4 kits, one on foot, one in terminator armor, one on bike and... what's the fourth? Maybe Dreadnought, but that kits already done.

Number 4 is the captain general valoris kit.

Interestingly, no Tribune so I guess you just say that your Shield Captain is one of the tribunes if you want.

 Geifer wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Just noticed something lame. Two of the three terminators in the warhammer community posts have the exact same pose. So you'd only get two body positions for custodes terminators.

Does anyone else see that? If I'm right, and if it's not just that these are early shots without the whole range, then all our Custodes guys are going to look very similar.

I think you got that from the picture showing the captain and the same Terminator with and without helmet. There's a third pose on the banner bearer. Three models per box, each with an individual pose.

I'll be wary about the ability to build additional poses out of a second box until I see the sprues, but it doesn't look too bad for the time being. These should be a bit better than the Deathshrouds simply because of the optional character bits and not holding a weapon in two hands that limits Deathshroud poses.

Yes, I saw those three guys in that shot and the big picture of the army in last week's post. But as you say, the standard bearer has a 3rd pose so it ought to be ok.

Good.

So
Captain general
Captain
Terms captain
Bike captain

Vexilla x3 types

Termies
Guards
Bikers
Contemptor
Landraider

Is that it?

Fingers crossed for Forgeworld!

Guyver 3 wrote:
So
Captain general
Captain
Terms captain
Bike captain

Vexilla x3 types

Termies
Guards
Bikers
Contemptor
Landraider

Is that it?

Fingers crossed for Forgeworld!

They already said they'll be giving the FW Custodes stuff 40k rules