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Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Master of Executions in HQ instead of Elites, no Cultists, salt required. Exalted Eightbound also give me pause after they just eliminated Exalted Possessed from the main book.

We know they have some big bulky infantry on the way, rumours say they replace possessed and "bigger possessed", we've also got a few content shots featuring some small humanoids who aren't cultists but no cultists in any of the shots. This tracks with the images so far but maybe too well.

I know the rumors. I specifically mean calling them Exalted Eightbound. This looks like something put together with no regards or knowledge to the changes made in the CSM book.

And no Slaughterbrute...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And no Slaughterbrute...

Yeah, GW not picking even the lowest hanging fruits

Or indeed Blood Slaughterers. Surely would have been the perfect time to make them plastic and move them out of Forge World...

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Yeah, GW not picking even the lowest hanging fruits

If this is true, it looks like we're got another half-Codex; a low effort extra army shoved out the door before 10th.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Yeah, GW not picking even the lowest hanging fruits

If this is true, it looks like we're got another half-Codex; a low effort extra army shoved out the door before 10th.

If you expected anything more from the rules writers that brought us Death Guard and Thousand Sons OR even the baseline CSM codex, I got some bad news for you.

I also love the fact the tanks are there, but Raptors aren't because it's so much harder to operate a Jump Pack than to coordinate a bunch of dudes driving a Predator and using its weapons.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
This is now doing the rounds: apply salt as required

Deep breath.

Deep breath.


Deep breath.

Ok.

Yeah. This looks like a piss poor half job that should be treated as a supplement (ala Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Iron Hands etc) with the CSM book rather than a standalone book due to the sheer amount of things inexplicably missing.

No generic Chaos Lord? We all gonna have to Counts-As our Lords as Lord Executioners then?
No Terminator Lord? Are....are you kidding me here? What a waste of a kit.
No Dark Apostle or Khorne Anti-Psyker priest equivalent? Missed opportunity..

Jakhals - uh...strange name there. Kinda sounds like some sort of mortal Thousand Sons cult or GSC bike riding hybrids. Weapons and price are suggesting to me beastmen or maybe elite traitor guard equivalents? If beastmen, maybe a new kit with the old dog-face look that the Khorne Beastman had in RT era and early Fantasy?
Berserkers - to be expected. But no options for the Champion again it seems.

Shame there's no generic Chaos Marine option or ranged=mid range option as a nod to the 2nd ed World Eaters with bolters....

Eightbound - okay, that unit size is silly. 3-6? Ew. Why not just make them fancy Khornate possessed (which rumours suggest they are) and stick with the Possessed kit and a WE upgrade sprue?
Exalted Eighbound - in a unit of 3. Guh. These are going to be mutilators, aren't they? I was hoping for something really neat like a monstrous creature type unit (like Minotaurs for beastmen sort of thing in fantasy) but we're just gonna get Mutilators. Sigh.
Hellbrutes - again, to be expected. Shrug.
Terminators - Wait. What? All the rumours pointed at us NOT getting WE Terminators....which made the 'lack' of a Terminator lord palatable but now...they're there. But unchanged. Just, generic Terminators. I seriously hope Red Butchers still exists as an upgrade Stratagem at least otherwise losing Terminator Lords and getting generic WE Terminators is just a slap in the face.

Also, no Chosen. Wasn't surprised but a bit disappointed really. As our Elites options seem seriously thin.

OH boy. Fast Attack....is Chaos Spawn. Really? No Bikes? No Raptors? Even the Index Astartes list for the 3rd ed book and the 3.5 rules allowed for one or the other to be taken! Stripping them all away is....oof.

Then Heavy support. Jesus. This is bloated. Terribly bloated.

Land Raider, Predator Equivalents - not that surprised.
Generic daemon engines... - um. Ok. Minimal effort there I guess? Heldrake is a welcome surprise but the rest is just...odd. Could you at least not have shifted like, Maulerfiends to Elites or something? Or something to Fast Attack?

LoWs - we have 2 LoWs but 1 Fast Attack choice. Ridiculous.

All in all.....

This looks bad. Not gonna lie, this looks more like a Supplement addendum than an actual stand alone Codex.

In fact, wait.

WE adds - 8 new datasheets not in the CSM Codex. (And arguably, the Eightbound could just be Possessed by another name).

The SM supplements add...

Black Templars - 6 datasheets
Blood Angels - 18 datasheets
Dark Angels - 23 datasheets
Deathwatch - 9 datasheets
Space Wolves - 29 datasheets


.....

They seriously could have just made this a Codex Supplement. Added their 8 new units and rules and army restrictions. And to be frank? CSM players probably wouldn't mind paying that bit extra on top of a Codex if it meant they weren't suddenly losing large chunks of their army or having them renamed to sillier things and having unit sizes go all wonky.

I'm really hoping that there's a clause in the codex that says that certain units in the CSM codex, like the Chaos Lord (both versions), cultists and Lord Discordant, can be taken in a WE codex, just with some keywords changed.

Wow, that is a threadbare army list. And they didn't even add the Slaughterbrute? Ouch. I feel bad for World Eaters players. All of that waiting, and this is all that they get?

I really wanted a unit of Berserkers to be able to take Juggernauts, oh well another army not started

I'm surprised there wouldn't be a thousand sons sort of maneuver and include the slaughterbrute in the army. Get more mileage from an aos kit.

I dunno, the same factors that make it plausible also make it a plausible fake. I don't think it's real because there's nothing out of left field. If I have learned anything it is that every army release has at least one thing which has people going 'WTF?'

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I dunno, the same factors that make it plausible also make it a plausible fake. I don't think it's real because there's nothing out of left field. If I have learned anything it is that every army release has at least one thing which has people going 'WTF?'

I believe it because it's terrible, and because GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Looks like a clear forgery.

1) No Vindicator.

2) No options for Chaos Lord on Juggernaut. Even Discolords have options.

3) Page number is 88. That means, minus datasheets, GW would have to write about 50 pages of fluff. They've been averaging about 30 pages of fluff in recent Codexes.

4) They dropped Exalted Possessed. Why would they bring that designation back for Eightbound?

5) No glaring typos.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Looks like a clear forgery.



2) No options for Chaos Lord on Juggernaut. Even Discolords have options.

These are just the options you have to pay for. Free options aren't listed.

Well at least someone was really proud of the Eightbound/Hatebound name

Anyway, see you in 10th everyone !

I do expect that both World Eaters and Votaan will be getting a second book and more models/units early next edition like Lumineth did. I'm also tempted to think that both armies were really designed for 10th, but split up and kludged into 9th to get people starting the armies earlier and fit better in production queues. Add a few units by way of Kill Team and the Ark of Despair campaign books, then round it all up again in 18 months with a new Codex.

Votaan? Certainly.

World Eaters? I wouldn't be so sure. It's not like DG or 1KSons have received massive expansions since their fist books.

You could argue that the Tzaangors were the "expansion" for 1KSons, but I doubt many actual 1KSons players would be too keen on that idea.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do expect that both World Eaters and Votaan will be getting a second book and more models/units early next edition like Lumineth did. I'm also tempted to think that both armies were really designed for 10th, but split up and kludged into 9th to get people starting the armies earlier and fit better in production queues. Add a few units by way of Kill Team and the Ark of Despair campaign books, then round it all up again in 18 months with a new Codex.

This is a real possibility. If that's true, that would be a better outcome than what we see now. Still, I'd rather see the codex delayed with everything in it than a rush, truncated codex shoved in at the end of 9th. Also, I'm still worried about the non-inclusion about units like cultists and Chaos Lords.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do expect that both World Eaters and Votaan will be getting a second book and more models/units early next edition like Lumineth did. I'm also tempted to think that both armies were really designed for 10th, but split up and kludged into 9th to get people starting the armies earlier and fit better in production queues. Add a few units by way of Kill Team and the Ark of Despair campaign books, then round it all up again in 18 months with a new Codex.

This is a real possibility. If that's true, that would be a better outcome than what we see now. Still, I'd rather see the codex delayed with everything in it than a rush, truncated codex shoved in at the end of 9th. Also, I'm still worried about the non-inclusion about units like cultists and Chaos Lords.

You only become a Lord and get auras if you ride a Juggernaut. Don't you know your lore???

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do expect that both World Eaters and Votaan will be getting a second book and more models/units early next edition like Lumineth did. I'm also tempted to think that both armies were really designed for 10th, but split up and kludged into 9th to get people starting the armies earlier and fit better in production queues. Add a few units by way of Kill Team and the Ark of Despair campaign books, then round it all up again in 18 months with a new Codex.

This is a real possibility. If that's true, that would be a better outcome than what we see now. Still, I'd rather see the codex delayed with everything in it than a rush, truncated codex shoved in at the end of 9th. Also, I'm still worried about the non-inclusion about units like cultists and Chaos Lords.

I think the lords and cultists exclusion makes sense. Chaos marines now suffer from what loyalist Marines had to go through beforehand where one of the books updates a common unit and the other are stuck without the improved profile until their next book. Simple way to avoid it is reduce the number of common units. This is backed up by their awkward "death guard chaos lord" as an example who doesn't technically exist as a model, showing the issued they have labelling and selling for the legion books.

Edit: I mean GW sense, not fluff sense.

The thing that makes me call fake? The page number.

What page are the death guard pr tsons points on?

Dudeface wrote:
What page are the death guard pr tsons points on?

77 and 99, respectively.

I made that up of course. If the points for WE really were on page 88 that'd be one hell of a coincidence.

Although if you were trying to make a credible fake, you probably wouldn’t pick 88 for the page number…

Dudeface wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I do expect that both World Eaters and Votaan will be getting a second book and more models/units early next edition like Lumineth did. I'm also tempted to think that both armies were really designed for 10th, but split up and kludged into 9th to get people starting the armies earlier and fit better in production queues. Add a few units by way of Kill Team and the Ark of Despair campaign books, then round it all up again in 18 months with a new Codex.

This is a real possibility. If that's true, that would be a better outcome than what we see now. Still, I'd rather see the codex delayed with everything in it than a rush, truncated codex shoved in at the end of 9th. Also, I'm still worried about the non-inclusion about units like cultists and Chaos Lords.

I think the lords and cultists exclusion makes sense. Chaos marines now suffer from what loyalist Marines had to go through beforehand where one of the books updates a common unit and the other are stuck without the improved profile until their next book. Simple way to avoid it is reduce the number of common units. This is backed up by their awkward "death guard chaos lord" as an example who doesn't technically exist as a model, showing the issued they have labelling and selling for the legion books.

Edit: I mean GW sense, not fluff sense.

The Death Guard Chaos Lord model is the regular Chaos Lord model, same with the Possessed. I don't like how some units are left with worse profiles when similar units get upgrades, but I'd much rather have that than just lose access to units altogether. A way to fix this is when an old unit gets an updated profile in a new codex, a faq is put out which states that players in other codices should just use the profile from the other faction's new codex, changing out a number of rules and keywords.

My biggest scepticism is the fact the Lord on Juggernaut is called a Lord on Juggernaut, rather than Lord Invocatus on Juggernaut.

 blood reaper wrote:
My biggest scepticism is the fact the Lord on Juggernaut is called a Lord on Juggernaut, rather than Lord Invocatus on Juggernaut.

Lord Invocatus is a special character I think, and is the second entry on the list.

 blood reaper wrote:
My biggest scepticism is the fact the Lord on Juggernaut is called a Lord on Juggernaut, rather than Lord Invocatus on Juggernaut.

Lord Invocatus is a named character, the Lord on Juggernaut is just a generic option from the same kit.
Still, this looks like the biggest hatchet job codex since they chose to split AdMech and Skitarii into 2 books on first release....

I'd not realised Lord Invocatus was a named character - which I put down to the fact GW now seems to give names to generic characters (i.e., the mounted Warpsmith/Discolord has a specific name, despite being a generic character).