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MasterSlowPoke wrote:What does the Abyssal Staff do to vehicles, Yak? I'd assume it doesn't hurt them but AP1 is throwing me off.

Does not affect vehicles. I've updated my post to reflect this.

Tailgunner wrote:Mods - is this really a rumours thread any more? It looks more like a lot of discussion about the army list and rules (which, in true internet fashion, haven't been released yet).

Until the Codex is out on the 5th of Nov, half the stuff we are talking about is still rumour, the WD only confirmed a decent percentage but not all of what we have heard, also it showed that the rumours are slightly outdated and have been tweaked a little since.

I've decided since it's soo close, I'm going to bow out and just bite my tongue for the next 6 days until I have my hands on the Codex

The Necrons have been blessed with the ability of multiple choices, I'm happy with that at the end of the day!

I saw something about that tactician Overlord allowing a unit to enter play in the same way as Deathmarks.
Could that be the way to use Praetorians?
Keep them in reserve. The opponent brings in some reserves. The Praetorians teleport in in response. On your turn, they fly, shoot, and assault. It's not quite Vanguard Vets, as they'll get a little shooting on you, but they shouldn't be prepared for it so it won't be quite ideal for them, but it seems like it could be decent for getting your DSing CC unit into combat pretty close to the turn they show up.

Just a thought.

The one thing that drives me insane is the complete lack of factual information on the units in the codex and allowing preorders based on this.

I WILL NOT ORDER $HAT WITHOUT READING THE CODEX, EVER!!!!

There is absolutley no reason to keep stores from having copies so people can plan their armies and determine what they want to preorder!!!!!!!!!!!!


NONSENSE I SAY!!!

.... is it just me or are the necrons an inversion of the usual attempts by GW to make 40k look LESS like their WHF equivalents? Because these new Necrons look MORE like Tomb Kings than before...

Dave-c wrote:The one thing that drives me insane is the complete lack of factual information on the units in the codex and allowing preorders based on this.

I WILL NOT ORDER $HAT WITHOUT READING THE CODEX, EVER!!!!

There is absolutley no reason to keep stores from having copies so people can plan their armies and determine what they want to preorder!!!!!!!!!!!!


NONSENSE I SAY!!!

GW does not approve of your skepticism of units' propitiousness. ALL units will be game changing. Your lack of faith on this matter is disturbing.

Tailgunner wrote:Mods - is this really a rumours thread any more? It looks more like a lot of discussion about the army list and rules (which, in true internet fashion, haven't been released yet).

Discussion about army list and rules prior to having confirmation of army list and rules = rumours thread.

Dave-c wrote:The one thing that drives me insane is the complete lack of factual information on the units in the codex and allowing preorders based on this.

I WILL NOT ORDER $HAT WITHOUT READING THE CODEX, EVER!!!!

There is absolutley no reason to keep stores from having copies so people can plan their armies and determine what they want to preorder!!!!!!!!!!!!


NONSENSE I SAY!!!

I agree with you. Here is my preorder list:

1x Necron Codex





That is all.

azazel the cat wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:Mods - is this really a rumours thread any more? It looks more like a lot of discussion about the army list and rules (which, in true internet fashion, haven't been released yet).

Discussion about army list and rules prior to having confirmation of army list and rules = rumours thread.

Dave-c wrote:The one thing that drives me insane is the complete lack of factual information on the units in the codex and allowing preorders based on this.

I WILL NOT ORDER $HAT WITHOUT READING THE CODEX, EVER!!!!

There is absolutley no reason to keep stores from having copies so people can plan their armies and determine what they want to preorder!!!!!!!!!!!!


NONSENSE I SAY!!!

I agree with you. Here is my preorder list:

1x Necron Codex





That is all.

THIS

This is exactly what i mean, i see the preorders flopping like a fish out of water. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PREORDER CODEX COPY IN THE STORES!!! I cannot order something without knowing how my army will all fit together. It is nonsensical for me to order blindly!

Just as above, my preorder will consist of 1x Necron Codex, nothing more, nothing less. Way to go get those sales GW.

While I disagreed with Azazel for most of the thread, I agree that the only thing I will buy outright is the codex.

However, I do feel there are some safe bets, such as the Stormlord, and at least one box of Lycheguard, and one box of immortals.

the way i see the Night Wing is like a Wraith Dart from Stargate Atlantis.

flying over, a massive green beam shooting down and picking up or dropping down their cargo.

epic

Dave-c wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:Mods - is this really a rumours thread any more? It looks more like a lot of discussion about the army list and rules (which, in true internet fashion, haven't been released yet).

Discussion about army list and rules prior to having confirmation of army list and rules = rumours thread.

Dave-c wrote:The one thing that drives me insane is the complete lack of factual information on the units in the codex and allowing preorders based on this.

I WILL NOT ORDER $HAT WITHOUT READING THE CODEX, EVER!!!!

There is absolutley no reason to keep stores from having copies so people can plan their armies and determine what they want to preorder!!!!!!!!!!!!


NONSENSE I SAY!!!

I agree with you. Here is my preorder list:

1x Necron Codex





That is all.

THIS

This is exactly what i mean, i see the preorders flopping like a fish out of water. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PREORDER CODEX COPY IN THE STORES!!! I cannot order something without knowing how my army will all fit together. It is nonsensical for me to order blindly!

Just as above, my preorder will consist of 1x Necron Codex, nothing more, nothing less. Way to go get those sales GW.

I too plan to preorder only the codex. Then i shall work out an army list to fit my style of play. Only then will i buy units.


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Sasori wrote:While I disagreed with Azazel for most of the thread, I agree that the only thing I will buy outright is the codex.

However, I do feel there are some safe bets, such as the Stormlord, and at least one box of Lycheguard, and one box of immortals.

I agree with you there. It is probably a safe bet to buy a box of lychguard and a box of immortals, but i wont. I disagree with you on the aspect of the stormlord. I would not preorder him until i know exactly what his rules are and have read them word for word. But thats just me, I also plan to use Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon for my HQ choice.

tetrisphreak wrote:Trygons and carnifexes pursuing the enemy under the cover of darkness would be a great ability indeed. Instead we get venomthropes for a 5+ cover save. Blech.

It wouldn't be so bad if venomthropes were able to break away and be added to other broods like Cryteks and Wolf Guard...but as they stand now, they are easy kill points.

Personally I love how everything is having the 2 different squad/vehicle options. Regardless of what I want to build, Is should have a lot of leftover bitz, perfect for conversions and fun.


Edited for my stupidity and poor word choice.

yakface wrote:Of course, you'd still probably need/want to put SOMETHING on the models that have the actual wargear upgrades too...but some of them like a 'Lightning Field' or 'Veil of Darkness' aren't described as being anything really besides an actual effect, so I think you'd basically just do anything you could think of to separate them from another Cryptek model.

For veil of darkness, the long cloaks (like th eone turning into bats) from the Vampire Counts comes to mind.

I disagree with having to pay $88 for a vehicle that can be used as either a HS or a transport.

I really wish they had split the sprues, and charged a little less.

Also, full squad of immortals costs $110. That is quite a bit of money, might explain why when I went past Chermside GW on games night, there were like 3 people in there.

I feel sorry for anyone who didn't own stuff already, I would hate to have to build an army from scratch, it would be close to $900 for a half decent 1500pt army.

BSent wrote:

Sasori wrote:While I disagreed with Azazel for most of the thread, I agree that the only thing I will buy outright is the codex.

However, I do feel there are some safe bets, such as the Stormlord, and at least one box of Lycheguard, and one box of immortals.

I disagree. A lot of the models look beautiful and I can't wait to paint them and have fun playing with them in games with my friends. BUt mean if you're a super-competitive gamer and only care about what models will be the best on the on the battlefield, than in my opinion, you're just a band wagoner, wholly supporting the theory of codex creep.

Needless to say, my preorder list is quite large. Fortunately, my FLGS already had my preorders up.



Personally I love how everything is having the 2 different squad/vehicle options. Regardless of what I want to build, Is should have a lot of leftover bitz, perfect for conversions and fun.

Excuse me, but I've been playing Necrons since 2006, so I'm hardly a band wagoner. Also, if you didn't notice I play Tyranids, and Eldar which are hardly the top of the heap right now in terms of Codex Creep.

I don't know what your problem is, with people wanting to plan out what they buy instead of being stuck with some units that may be completely useless on the table. If you want to buy some models just to paint up, and play fluffy, then that's fine. I'm not going to criticize your method of enjoying the game. On the flip side, you have no right to criticize how anyone else chooses to enjoy the game either.

Ah they got outdated and broken, and revamped to just be flashy and extremely broken. I hate saying this though the models do look awesome. But having to wipe a whole squad just to stop the RP rolls? (At least that's my understanding, is instead of +4 and gone (WBB)...it's +5 every turn until the whole unit is dead?) And they shoulda kept Phase Out keeps them honest and even on the table.

Sasori wrote:

BSent wrote:

Sasori wrote:While I disagreed with Azazel for most of the thread, I agree that the only thing I will buy outright is the codex.

However, I do feel there are some safe bets, such as the Stormlord, and at least one box of Lycheguard, and one box of immortals.

I disagree. A lot of the models look beautiful and I can't wait to paint them and have fun playing with them in games with my friends. BUt mean if you're a super-competitive gamer and only care about what models will be the best on the on the battlefield, than in my opinion, you're just a band wagoner, wholly supporting the theory of codex creep.

Needless to say, my preorder list is quite large. Fortunately, my FLGS already had my preorders up.



Personally I love how everything is having the 2 different squad/vehicle options. Regardless of what I want to build, Is should have a lot of leftover bitz, perfect for conversions and fun.

Excuse me, but I've been playing Necrons since 2006, so I'm hardly a band wagoner. Also, if you didn't notice I play Tyranids, and Eldar which are hardly the top of the heap right now in terms of Codex Creep.

I don't know what your problem is, with people wanting to plan out what they buy instead of being stuck with some units that may be completely useless on the table. If you want to buy some models just to paint up, and play fluffy, then that's fine. I'm not going to criticize your method of enjoying the game. On the flip side, you have no right to criticize how anyone else chooses to enjoy the game either.

Indeed, I am not a band wagon member either - I still have my 2nd ed necrons, the immortals of which will make excellent wielders of telsa weapons. I played in a world of tzeentch sorcerers in terminator armour on discs with vortex grenades, and scarabs which ate tanks big time. I still have my 1st edition 3rd ed codex, and the limited edition guy which is worth over $50 on ebay.

I am NOT spending my (very) hard earned cash on GW's opinion of what a "decent" unit is. For example, lychguard with just a warscyth sound worthless - no invun means they will die. Lychguard with only a 4+ invun makes me annoyed that terminators get a 3++ and wonder just how deeply the marine bias goes.

Its called being a intelligent consumer. If you play in tournaments, then it makes sense that your purchases are guided by this, and how dare anyone question another playstyle?

Still pondering my pre order i think you guys have it right with just the codex

but ill probably get the codex some lychgaurd and mabye a ghost ark as well which will most likely be a doomsday ark and proxy it for ghost when i need too i really only play my friends or thier friends or kids at the local nerd shop so who cares im not much of a tourny player

EDIT: Ill have lots of extra warriors to proxy as morts now and yes im glad ive got old models so i dont have totaly invest in a new army thats why ive been waiting for this codex

darkslife wrote:I am NOT spending my (very) hard earned cash on GW's opinion of what a "decent" unit is. For example, lychguard with just a warscyth sound worthless - no invun means they will die. Lychguard with only a 4+ invun makes me annoyed that terminators get a 3++ and wonder just how deeply the marine bias goes.

At the very least, in regards to that, a 4++ with a 5+ WBB is exactly equivalent to a 3++ - there's a 1/3 chance to lose your model in both cases. There is the chance that you won't get to make the WBB rolls if the squad is dead, though I guess the reflection kind of evens that out?

It would be nice if the Lychguard got 2+'s , though.

So everyones plan to just run 5 lychgaurd in a squad with shields thats what i was thinking probably more for preatorians what is everyone else thinking?

bluebomber wrote:Still pondering my pre order i think you guys have it right with just the codex

but ill probably get the codex some lychgaurd and mabye a ghost ark as well which will most likely be a doomsday ark and proxy it for ghost when i need too i really only play my friends or thier friends or kids at the local nerd shop so who cares im not much of a tourny player

EDIT: Ill have lots of extra warriors to proxy as morts now and yes im glad ive got old models so i dont have totaly invest in a new army thats why ive been waiting for this codex

I think the Lycheguard, and the Immortals are a good box set, because you have a ton of bits to work with, after you build your initial models.

I'm thinking of Using the Deathmark Heads for Crypteks, the Death mark weapons for converted Heavy Destroyers (a long with the extra bits from the Jumpacks on Praetorains) and other left over weapons from the Lycheguard, since I plan to use Dispersion Shields, and Hyperphase swords. So, I think no matter how the Codex turns out, those two boxes are a safe bet, for a wide variety of reasons.

Sasori wrote: On the flip side, you have no right to criticize how anyone else chooses to enjoy the game either.

The Internet is new to you, isn't it?

KingmanHighborn wrote:Ah they got outdated and broken, and revamped to just be flashy and extremely broken. I hate saying this though the models do look awesome. But having to wipe a whole squad just to stop the RP rolls? (At least that's my understanding, is instead of +4 and gone (WBB)...it's +5 every turn until the whole unit is dead?) And they shoulda kept Phase Out keeps them honest and even on the table.

Either you're trolling, or else you've never actually played a game with Necrons somewhere on the table.

Sasori wrote:

bluebomber wrote:Still pondering my pre order i think you guys have it right with just the codex

but ill probably get the codex some lychgaurd and mabye a ghost ark as well which will most likely be a doomsday ark and proxy it for ghost when i need too i really only play my friends or thier friends or kids at the local nerd shop so who cares im not much of a tourny player

EDIT: Ill have lots of extra warriors to proxy as morts now and yes im glad ive got old models so i dont have totaly invest in a new army thats why ive been waiting for this codex

I think the Lycheguard, and the Immortals are a good box set, because you have a ton of bits to work with, after you build your initial models.

I'm thinking of Using the Deathmark Heads for Crypteks, the Death mark weapons for converted Heavy Destroyers (a long with the extra bits from the Jumpacks on Praetorains) and other left over weapons from the Lycheguard, since I plan to use Dispersion Shields, and Hyperphase swords. So, I think no matter how the Codex turns out, those two boxes are a safe bet, for a wide variety of reasons.

See i was thinking the head of a deathmark and the staff of a lychgaurd on a normal warrior and you have yourself a cryptek

I saw someone saying they didnt like to model the necrons and maybe i have fanboy goggles on because they are my first and only but i have lots of different models some really cool some pretty funny i just had fun with it

one thing, i havent yet seen asked nor confirmed, can crypteks and lords be combined in one unit of a court?

Valek wrote:one thing, i havent yet seen asked nor confirmed, can crypteks and lords be combined in one unit of a court?

I would assume so, like the dark eldar court. It has like 4 or 5 possible units to take.

I don't like the sound of bandwagon accusations. I’ve found from personal experience that getting beaten again and again by people while playing list that I just threw together that one tends to begin to construct their list so they have a better chance of winning. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure that necron players get more than their fair slice of losses.

Looking at the lords again it seems like the stormlord and Tarzyn would hinder an army rather than help it. The stormlord would prevent you from shooting properly in exchange for some random lightning strikes, and tarzyn costs you a 40 point model every time he dies, returning with one wound and vulnerable to focussed fire.

I'm most interested in orikan the diviner, bringing him with a solar pulse and C'tan with manifestation would deal with all kinds of armies on turn 1, the ranged can't see and all the close combat can't move properly. I spose the only problem is he's not an overlord and can't take a cryptec of his own.

Am I the only one noticing this?
The name Imotekh the Stormlord was used in thev WD of december last year, as a Necron Lord.
Check it out.

There's 132 pages now so this may have been answered. But if the C'tan are not in the codex why are their models being re-done in finecast?

Oh, and they are now £21.50, they were £12 when they first came out. There's inflation for you.