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They're "Shard of the Deceiver" and "Shard of the Nightbringer" now, to represent the same changes in the new codex.

There's 132 pages now so this may have been answered. But if the C'tan are not in the codex why are their models being re-done in finecast?

The C'tan as special characters for hq have been removed, and instead there are C'tan shards as an elite choice (for which using the models of C'tan makes sense and is obviously intended).

The shards have slightly reduced stats and a choice of 2 powers from a short list (at various points values added to a base cost) instead of the rules they had before.

Yay, first post!

Howard A Treesong wrote:There's 132 pages now so this may have been answered. But if the C'tan are not in the codex why are their models being re-done in finecast?

Oh, and they are now £21.50, they were £12 when they first came out. There's inflation for you.

In the upcoming codex, you now have C'Tan "shards" represented by the very same models yet having completely different rules. You basically pay about 200 points for the shard itself and then have to choose two special abilities the shard gets, each taking between another 10-50 points, thus you might end up paying 250 points on average for a C'Tan shard. Those special abilities include stuff like a ranged AT weapon or an ability that makes all difficult terrain for your enemy dangerous terrain. Yakface mentioned it in the very first post.

I have been a frequent Dakka reader for a long time now, but decided to jump in, especially now that my favorite army, the Necrons, get a new codex. First of all, thanks a LOT to you, Yakface, for all the information. I can hardly wait to get my hands on the new codex although it surely means paying a lot of money for the new models...I recently started collecting Necrons and thus barely own any models, just about 40 warriors, a monolith, 3 destroyers, 2 heavy destroyers, a lord, a destroyer lord, a C'Tan and 10 scarab bases. No immortals (that seem to become mandatory with the new codex) and no wraiths (again, might be mandatory) and while it might certainly be extremely expensive, I still like the idea of having 4 arks packed with warriors.

thenoobbomb wrote:Am I the only one noticing this?
The name Imotekh the Stormlord was used in thev WD of december last year, as a Necron Lord.
Check it out.

Oh dear god....

They actually named something Imotekh (assumed pronunciation 'emo tech')?

Wow... just... wow....

Apologies for not having the human will to read 132 pages of....well, what-ever it was, but can someone confirm if this is a Matt Ward written codex?

I must say the miniatures look nice, but the price will continue to keep me from starting anything new from GW. I also noticed that the SV role has been reduced from 3+ to 4+ which, in addition to their low initiative means these guys are gonna get hammered in sweeping advance against Marines.....nasty.

BaronIveagh wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:Am I the only one noticing this?
The name Imotekh the Stormlord was used in thev WD of december last year, as a Necron Lord.
Check it out.

Oh dear god....

They actually named something Imotekh (assumed pronunciation 'emo tech')?

Wow... just... wow....

I am assuming this is based off of the egyptian architect "Imotep".

But yeah, it is kinda silly.

It's supposed to be like Imhotep, but Tek like Tech because he is a robot skeleton.

You see what they did there?

I pronounce it with a short "i" at the beginning as in "in", thus "i-mo-tech".

BaronIveagh wrote:
Oh dear god....

They actually named something Imotekh (assumed pronunciation 'emo tech')?

Wow... just... wow....

No way! GW making puns in their SC names?! Preposterous! Whatever will they think of next!

Delephont wrote:Apologies for not having the human will to read 132 pages of....well, what-ever it was, but can someone confirm if this is a Matt Ward written codex?

I must say the miniatures look nice, but the price will continue to keep me from starting anything new from GW. I also noticed that the SV role has been reduced from 3+ to 4+ which, in addition to their low initiative means these guys are gonna get hammered in sweeping advance against Marines.....nasty.

It indeed is written by Ward.

zacharia wrote:

There's 132 pages now so this may have been answered. But if the C'tan are not in the codex why are their models being re-done in finecast?

The C'tan as special characters for hq have been removed, and instead there are C'tan shards as an elite choice (for which using the models of C'tan makes sense and is obviously intended).

The shards have slightly reduced stats and a choice of 2 powers from a short list (at various points values added to a base cost) instead of the rules they had before.

Thanks to you and other responses. I had heard about the 'shards' but thought they had been relegated to fluff and weren't in the game using the old models.

Looks like we won't be getting a c'tan from forgeworld then.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Looks like we won't be getting a c'tan from forgeworld then.

Maximum sad face.

In saying that, you never know.

There could be a lone C'tan out and about, waiting to enact his revenge...

Heh, Vulkan lists will cry when they see a Nightbringer across from them - that Lord of Flame ability can make flame and melta weapons explode!

In fact, some of the weapons these Necrons have look really powerful but I think my GK will be ok in CC against them, yay!

ColdSadHungry wrote:Heh, Vulkan lists will cry when they see a Nightbringer across from them - that Lord of Flame ability can make flame and melta weapons explode!

In fact, some of the weapons these Necrons have look really powerful but I think my GK will be ok in CC against them, yay!

Only on a roll of a one. Apparently all it does is give meltas and flamers within 12" the Gets Hot rule. However, there are no saves if it blows (supposedly).


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Howard A Treesong wrote:

zacharia wrote:

There's 132 pages now so this may have been answered. But if the C'tan are not in the codex why are their models being re-done in finecast?

The C'tan as special characters for hq have been removed, and instead there are C'tan shards as an elite choice (for which using the models of C'tan makes sense and is obviously intended).

The shards have slightly reduced stats and a choice of 2 powers from a short list (at various points values added to a base cost) instead of the rules they had before.

Thanks to you and other responses. I had heard about the 'shards' but thought they had been relegated to fluff and weren't in the game using the old models.

Looks like we won't be getting a c'tan from forgeworld then.

There still ain't a model for the Dragon

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Only on a roll of a one. Apparently all it does is give meltas and flamers within 12" the Gets Hot rule. However, there are no saves if it blows (supposedly).

According to Yak, the model is "removed as a casualty" thus no saves would be allowed. Then again, I wonder how useful this ability turns out to be...the chance of the enemy model blowing up is pretty low and you'd have to always keep the C'Tan near your vehicles, most likely the monolith. A babysitting C'Tan (shard)? That's about 250 points sitting next to 200 points...hmmm.

Sigvatr wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Only on a roll of a one. Apparently all it does is give meltas and flamers within 12" the Gets Hot rule. However, there are no saves if it blows (supposedly).

According to Yak, the model is "removed as a casualty" thus no saves would be allowed. Then again, I wonder how useful this ability turns out to be...the chance of the enemy model blowing up is pretty low and you'd have to always keep the C'Tan near your vehicles, most likely the monolith. A babysitting C'Tan (shard)? That's about 250 points sitting next to 200 points...hmmm.

Well, it is said to be one of the cheapest abilities out there.

You also have to remember that you could DS the mono. What I would do is keep the Mono in reserve, and send the C'tan forward to attact melta fire.

I can still see Forgworld doing C'tan models.
Even if there aren't any complete C'tan, I'll bet you that there are some greater shard... And I can't see Forgeworld letting this fine opportunity slip by.

shadzinator wrote:Looking at the lords again it seems like the stormlord and Tarzyn would hinder an army rather than help it. The stormlord would prevent you from shooting properly in exchange for some random lightning strikes, and tarzyn costs you a 40 point model every time he dies, returning with one wound and vulnerable to focussed fire.

I'm most interested in orikan the diviner, bringing him with a solar pulse and C'tan with manifestation would deal with all kinds of armies on turn 1, the ranged can't see and all the close combat can't move properly. I spose the only problem is he's not an overlord and can't take a cryptec of his own.

You can use Solar Pulses to cancel the night fighting on your turn, and shoot. The Stormlord also has a 4+ to Seize and some other pretty nifty wargear, he is by no means a hindrance. You just need to plan accordingly.

Trayzn is also a Scoring IC, that is nearly impossible to kill, and does not net VP unless he is put down for good. He also has some other nifty wargear, such as his Empathic Obliterater, which is pretty powerful against hordes of low save models. He takes the place of the 40 point model, but his scoring an objective can win a game.

Hmmm I wonder what to start with given that the point limit of our first games will be 1000. I will (sigh) face MEQ left and right, including GK, and while Imotekh definitely looks like an awesome IC, its point cost might be too high for 1000 points. I already considered taking Tarzyn, but then again, his CC ability seems to be rather pointless against MEQ, it will be hard enough to even inflicht a single wound on them.

Units-wise, I'd like to go for mainly warriors, but again, against MEQ, immortals simply seem to be the far superior choice. Gauss weaponry won't penetrate their 3+ anyway, same as tesla, but at least with tesla weapons, I get a few more potential wounds...against AV, of course, Gauss is the better choice (and cybots...) thus I thought about bringing 1-2 arks with 10 warriors (to get in RF range) along with a squad of destroyers since they nullify the MEQ 3+ now. Not to forget about the scarabs of course. But then...I'd like to throw a monolith in, but I'd still need a HQ and am already close to 1000.

And then, there still are terminators. Hmpf.

Sigvatr wrote:Hmmm I wonder what to start with given that the point limit of our first games will be 1000. I will (sigh) face MEQ left and right, including GK, and while Imotekh definitely looks like an awesome IC, its point cost might be too high for 1000 points. I already considered taking Tarzyn, but then again, his CC ability seems to be rather pointless against MEQ, it will be hard enough to even inflicht a single wound on them.

Units-wise, I'd like to go for mainly warriors, but again, against MEQ, immortals simply seem to be the far superior choice. Gauss weaponry won't penetrate their 3+ anyway, same as tesla, but at least with tesla weapons, I get a few more potential wounds...against AV, of course, Gauss is the better choice (and cybots...) thus I thought about bringing 1-2 arks with 10 warriors (to get in RF range) along with a squad of destroyers since they nullify the MEQ 3+ now. Not to forget about the scarabs of course. But then...I'd like to throw a monolith in, but I'd still need a HQ and am already close to 1000.

And then, there still are terminators. Hmpf.

1000 points is going to be pretty rough. I'd say try go get up to the 1500-2000 as soon as you can. While a lot of costs have gone down in the codex, things like the Ghost Ark being 115, you'll really feel the pinch at 1000 points. With transports eating that much, meching up at 1000 will probably not be very feasable. The bright side is you can field walking horde pretty well, with the Royal court and some dedicated close combat units.

Sasori wrote:


1000 points is going to be pretty rough. I'd say try go get up to the 1500-2000 as soon as you can. While a lot of costs have gone down in the codex, things like the Ghost Ark being 115, you'll really feel the pinch at 1000 points. With transports eating that much, meching up at 1000 will probably not be very feasable. The bright side is you can field walking horde pretty well, with the Royal court and some dedicated close combat units.

Many thanks for the reply.

Yes, and that's what I'd like to field the most since I always thought of necrons being more of a horde of robots than a small, elite army...but the new vehicles look way too awesome to miss! Anyway, going for mass immortals might seem to be the most effective choice yet it would also be the priciest option as I own 40 warriors yet no immortals - and with 30€ (or rather 18€) per 5, it's quite expensive. But in order to be effective, normal warriors need to be in RF range...and the last thing I want to see is MEQ assaulting necron warriors

Need the new codex asap.

I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

Actually, you could just convert an Elf dragon...

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

Actually, you could just convert an Elf dragon...

Oh.. my.. god. Just figured out how to add the zombie dragon to an existing army!

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure the Outsider was the strongest C'tan.

Cerebrium wrote:

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure the Outsider was the strongest C'tan.

Nope. Dragon is described has the C'tan who has the strongest hold over the material plane.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure the Outsider was the strongest C'tan.

Nope. Dragon is described has the C'tan who has the strongest hold over the material plane.

"While the Outsider cannot match the Nightbringer for pure force, or the Deciever for guile and cunning, it is rumoured to be the most deadly and dangerous of the four remaining C'tan."

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/The_Outsider

Cerebrium wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure the Outsider was the strongest C'tan.

Nope. Dragon is described has the C'tan who has the strongest hold over the material plane.

"While the Outsider cannot match the Nightbringer for pure force, or the Deciever for guile and cunning, it is rumoured to be the most deadly and dangerous of the four remaining C'tan."

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/The_Outsider

The Void Dragon, if it actually exists, is arguably the most powerful C'tan, particularly after the banishment of the Nightbringer's phase scythe to the Warp by the Old Ones and their Eldar servants during the War of Heaven millions of years ago, although the Nightbringer seems to have had a much more sinister effect on the galaxy as a whole.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Void_Dragon

Cerebrium wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I think Forgeworld could very well do C'tan for apocalypse, either "Greater" shards or specific god shards. It would be cool to see a shard of the Void Dragon(he is recorded as the strongest C'tan after all, pre new codex anyways) with upgraded stats and powerful vechicle manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure the Outsider was the strongest C'tan.

Nope. Dragon is described has the C'tan who has the strongest hold over the material plane.

"While the Outsider cannot match the Nightbringer for pure force, or the Deciever for guile and cunning, it is rumoured to be the most deadly and dangerous of the four remaining C'tan."

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/The_Outsider

In the "Dawn of the C'tan" Story GW wrote and had on their website it is said that the Void Dragon was the strongest.

In a transcript of a Vox-communication between one Inquisitor Horst and a Tech-priest Alagos, the Void Dragon is mentioned as the most powerful of all the Star Gods and that it had the ability to create almost invincible warriors.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_Dragon

The Void Dragon is the most powerful C'tan and still resides in stasis, theorized to be located beneath Mars and is rumoured to be the Machine God venerated by the Machine Cult of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/C%27tan