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been too long since I last encountered this situation.
Necrons deepstrike with veil and are VERY close to the table edge. First circle of models cannot be completed. Mishap or rest of the unit killed?
Thanks for help guys

Mishap, as the DS'ing unit hit either an enemy unit, Edge of the board, Impassable terrain ETC

woops sorry was wrong. mishap

Thank you

And for page Reference its Deep Strike Mishaps PG 95 right hand side

In the situation you described, as long as the first model was on the board, and you fit as many models in the first circle that you can fit, you move on to the second circle, then to the third etc.

you only mishap if you are within 1 inch of an enemy, on top of a model, in impassible terrain, or off the board.

The brb P.95 says that "Each circle should include as many models as will fit"

So if you are next to impassible terrain, or the board edge, you include as many models as will fit in that circle, and move to the next circle.,

Operative word there is "circle" if you can not complete the circle and still have models then you mishap. You can't go on to the third circle until the second one is complete.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:Operative word there is "circle" if you can not complete the circle and still have models then you mishap. You can't go on to the third circle until the second one is complete.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement as if you don't complete it than it's not a circle, and therefore a mishap.

I read it as you must complete the first circle or it's a mishap. It says you can make more circles after the first one is completed.

If that is the case what would stop me from completing the inner circle, placing one model and calling it the second circle then one beside it (extending outwards) calling it the 3rd and so on. It would be great if this was the case for me. I'd actually use Zaggstruk as it would all but guarantee he will never mishap and I'd always get the assault off with a mob of 15 Stormboyz.

Yes, and each circle must be completed before you can move to the next one. Any circle that is incomplete (while still having models to place) due to enemy models, board edge or impassable terrain results in a mishap.

"Each circle should include as many models as will fit." p.95

so if you have the initial model next to impassible terrain, lets say a friendly tank, and you can only place 4 models in the first circle that is "as many models as will fit" and you move to the second circle.

thus no mishap.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:If that is the case what would stop me from completing the inner circle, placing one model and calling it the second circle then one beside it (extending outwards) calling it the 3rd and so on.

The rule stating "Each circle should include as many models as will fit." p.95 is what stops you from placing 1 model and calling it.

DeathReaper wrote:"Each circle should include as many models as will fit." p.95

so if you have the initial model next to impassible terrain, lets say a friendly tank, and you can only place 4 models in the first circle that is "as many models as will fit" and you move to the second circle.

thus no mishap.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:If that is the case what would stop me from completing the inner circle, placing one model and calling it the second circle then one beside it (extending outwards) calling it the 3rd and so on.

The rule stating "Each circle should include as many models as will fit." p.95 is what stops you from placing 1 model and calling it.

Then it's not a circle though. I read it as talking about base size. You cannot fit as many terminators in each circle as you can regular infantry.

But it is a circle with as many models as will fit, since you cant fit anymore you move on to the next circle.

the circle is complete when there is no more room to place remaining models, in the case of impassible terrain this may make models begin another circle before the first one touches end to end.

Models can't ift but it is not a circle so you cannot go to the next circle until the previous one is finished.

DeathReaper wrote:But it is a circle with as many models as will fit, since you cant fit anymore you move on to the next circle.

the circle is complete when there is no more room to place remaining models, in the case of impassible terrain this may make models begin another circle before the first one touches end to end.

What you're describing is not a circle with as many models that will fit. You are describing the area of a circle with as many models in it as possible. Big difference.

If you can't complete the circle due to terrain / edge of board / enemy unit, then you mishap.

DR is describing a pie with a slice or few missing
As many models will fit describes how many models will fit in said circle.

What I am describing IS a circle with as many models as will fit.

The models that will fit are put in a circle around the first, then you move on to the second circle with as many models as will fit.

As long as it's a complete circle, yea we're all saying the same thing. No slices of pie missing until the last circle

Could be a circle as in group of persons.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:As long as it's a complete circle, yea we're all saying the same thing. No slices of pie missing until the last circle

It is as complete as the rules allow for.

Which is as many models as will fit.

if that is 3 models because of impassible terrain or board edges, then so be it, the rules have been satisfied because that is as many models as will fit.

Maybe this needs its own thread..but is there any criteria for how the furthest outside circle is arranged? Say I complete my first and second circle and have two models remaining. Can I put one on the front of the second circle and one on the back (also touching the second circle, but not the other "third circle" model)? Or do the two "third circle" models have to be right next to each other?

I've always played it that the outermost, incomplete circle can include any number of gaps, but I'm not sure if that's entirely correct.

DeathReaper wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:As long as it's a complete circle, yea we're all saying the same thing. No slices of pie missing until the last circle

It is as complete as the rules allow for.

Which is as many models as will fit.

if that is 3 models because of impassible terrain or board edges, then so be it, the rules have been satisfied because that is as many models as will fit.

No sir that is not a Circle that is a pie missing some slices.

If you cannot complete a circle due to impassable terrain, enemy units, board edge, etc you will mishap.

The "each circle should include as many models as will fit" does not work as you are trying to say it does.

if you can fit 5 SM's in a circle around the center SM and Impassable Terrain Prevents 2/5 from being placed, they are Mishapped

As above

If you cannot place any models where they could go, were it not for impassable terrain / etc, then you mishap.

The rules allow for you to place as many models in the circle that will fit.

If you cant fit 6, and you can only fit 4 then you fit 4 and move to the next circle.

I think you are misreading the rule. Its talking about base size. As in fit as many as you can, so like 6 regular bases or 4 terminators. As others have said, DS rules state that if you cannot place ANY models for impassable terrain then it's a mishap.

And why cant you fit 6? Because of impassable terrain. You know, the stuff that causes mishaps?

DeathReaper wrote:What I am describing IS a circle with as many models as will fit.

The models that will fit are put in a circle around the first, then you move on to the second circle with as many models as will fit.

Let me guess. You also believe that a model that could not completely come on the table is considered to be on the table since part of it is....correct? As many models as will fit means how many you can place in a complete circle. You can get more 25MM bases in a circle than you can 40s or 60s.

Boss GreenNutz wrote:Let me guess. You also believe that a model that could not completely come on the table is considered to be on the table since part of it is....correct?

The exact opposite actually. I was in the if its not on (as in 100% on) then you have not moved onto the table.
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Boss GreenNutz wrote:As many models as will fit means how many you can place in a complete circle. You can get more 25MM bases in a circle than you can 40s or 60s.

Right, and the rules allow for circles with as many models that will fit. so if that is a 4 model circle then you move to the next circle and get as many models as will fit in the next circle.

DeathReaper wrote:

Boss GreenNutz wrote:Let me guess. You also believe that a model that could not completely come on the table is considered to be on the table since part of it is....correct?

The exact opposite actually. I was in the if its not on (as in 100% on) then you have not moved onto the table.
As shown in This thread

Boss GreenNutz wrote:As many models as will fit means how many you can place in a complete circle. You can get more 25MM bases in a circle than you can 40s or 60s.

Right, and the rules allow for circles with as many models that will fit. so if that is a 4 model circle then you move to the next circle and get as many models as will fit in the next circle.

That's not true you can fit more, however doing so will cause you to mishap.

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