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Hey all, I've been thinking about painting all the Goblins I've been hoarding for years now, and I think the Forest Goblins make for an interesting idea.

So I came up with this 1500pts army. I have little experience with WHFB, so any advice might be useful. The environment I'd play in is friendly, and not that competitive.

I want the theme to keep around the Spider Riders and Arachnorok, but otherwise I'm open to suggestion. The Savage Orcs unit serves a "fluff" purpose, it represent a small Savage Orcs warband, attracted to the Army by the worship of the Spiders. And I like the models, so that'd be a good opportunity to buy a box lol !

Here we go :

Lords & Heroes - 362pts :

- Snagla special character - 115pts (Rides with the 19-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Big Boss, BSB, Gigantic Spider - 100pts (also rides with the 19-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Chaman - 55pts (Walks with the large Goblin regiment)
- Goblin Chaman, Lvl2, Wolf - 92pts (Rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)

Core Units - 748pts

- 19 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 296pts
- 9 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 156pts
- 39 Goblins, Spears, Shields, Command, 3 Nasty Skulkers - 216pts
- 10 Savage Orcs, Bows - 90pts

Special Units - 70pts :

2 Goblin Spear Chukkas - 70pts

Rare Units - 320pts :

Arachnorok, Flinger - 320pts

Total : 1500pts

Remarks :
- I am not sure about the Heroes' assignments to the regiments. Maybe it'd be better to have the Goblin Big Boss on Gigantic Spider with the small Spider Riders ?
- The small Savage Orcs unit is supposed to protect the Spear Chukkas from units infiltrating, flanking, or coming out of the sand. Maybe a regular small Orc unit, with Boss and Bows, would fit the job better ? Savage Orcs just feel "right" in such an army, IMHO, but the Frenzy might hinder their "protect the backyard" role, no?
- I couldn't make the cut on enough to afford magical objects, and I don't have my rulebook with me right now... Any suggestion ?

Thanks in advance !

The only thing I'd do is drop the bows from the savage orcs and get more of the savage orcs. 10 orcs of any kind won't last long, and savage orcs are subject to Frenzy, making missile weapons counter productive for them.
Not sure what you could drop to free up the points though.

Regular orcs cant have bows, unless they are arrer boyz, which are useless. what cricket said with the bows. Other than that its a pretty well rounded army.

cricketofdeth wrote:The only thing I'd do is drop the bows from the savage orcs and get more of the savage orcs. 10 orcs of any kind won't last long, and savage orcs are subject to Frenzy, making missile weapons counter productive for them.
Not sure what you could drop to free up the points though.

JohnnoM wrote:Regular orcs cant have bows, unless they are arrer boyz, which are useless. what cricket said with the bows. Other than that its a pretty well rounded army.

Hey, thanks for the advice.

Sorry for the "Arrer Boyz", I couldn't recall the phrasing in English.

For that small unit, I'd want them to sit back & protect the Spear Chukkas from the kind of units like Khemri Scorpions, Skaven Gutter Runners, etc... I think a 10-strong unit could be enough to take care of them (as they are Orks), and giving them bows means 1. they can help the main fight from afar, if no threat for the Spear Chukkas 2. Against a threat, turn and fire for one turn, then charge the next.

Is my reasoning utterly wrong?

As for the Savage Orcs, what's the point in the bow option, if frenzy makes them counter-productive ? Frenzy doesn't prevent them from firing, does it? I'm genuinely asking, sorry if I seem dumb.

Your reasoning isn't wrong in terms of Arrer Boyz, its more a case of them being ineffective. With BS of 3, they need 4's to hit at best (less if they move), then S3 bows wounding T3 gutter runners on 4's, T4 scorpions (QFM) on 5's . . .
A good idea, but simply not very good at serving the role, esp. only 10 models

In terms of the Sav Orcs, if an enemy is within charge range (4" + 2D6"), then they have to take a Ld test to restrain from getting into a fist fight like any decent orc wants to. If outside the range of the generals Ld bubble & / or battle std, then they will fail this test 50% of the time (base Ld of 7). That doesn't included the 1 in 6 chance of failing their anomosity test.
These things combine to making sav boyz with bows not as reliable as you wound wish.

A better bet would be leave the sav. boyz with just HW's (or even better, extra HWs) & just charge anyone who gets too close

Alternatively, leave the spear chukkas unprotected (they're only weedy gobbo's after all) & use the points for the bow unit elsewhere . . .

Ok, thanks... FordPrefect, your mathhammer is convincing lol...

So first option is : Savage Orcs with extra hand weapon. Fits the fluff, and is more effective.

As other options for those 90pts :
- another small, 5-man Goblin Spider unit ? 60 pts, and leaves an extra 30pts for bows, command OR magic items on the characters ?
- A River Troll (45pts) with a Goblin Big Boss (35pts), leaves 10pts for a magic item ?
- Forfeit this, and enjoy 90pts for Lords and Heroes magic items ?

Any hint ?

Deploy savage orcs between bolt throwers, so you don't have enough room to charge.
Now you get your 10 shots, and they go into combat after the 1st bolt thrower gets picked off.

The pass/fail on Ld7 is 58%/42%, not 50/50. You have slightly better odds of passing.

-Matt

nvm

HawaiiMatt wrote:Deploy savage orcs between bolt throwers, so you don't have enough room to charge.
Now you get your 10 shots, and they go into combat after the 1st bolt thrower gets picked off.

-Matt

Most of the "backyard" threats cannot charge on the turn they come into play, can they ? So if I move my Orcs in the way, I might even be able to prevent the Chukkas from being charged ?

Stormcallers wrote:nvm

I usually say that any suggestion is welcome, but I'm struggling for that one

[edit : changed title thread to current concern : how best to spend those 90pts, initially planned for "Spear Chukkas" babysitting?]

Well, I was going to say that no other characters can join Snagla's unit, It can only be Snagla, but then i realized that a hero isn't a character so it doesn't matter anyway.

Stormcallers wrote:Well, I was going to say that no other characters can join Snagla's unit, It can only be Snagla, but then i realized that a hero isn't a character so it doesn't matter anyway.

Well, actually you're pretty right, I cannot put the BSB in that unit too ! ! !

Damn...

So I guess my only choice is to put the BSB on gigantic spider in the 10-strong Spider Riders unit, along with the Shaman?

Thanks, I had missed that part...

haha np, sorry i ruined your plans!

Stormcallers wrote:haha np, sorry i ruined your plans!

Lol, on the contrary, you've helped me avoid doing something illegal !

Also realized I had listed the Core units as 10 pts lower - so cannot afford bows or extra hand weapons either way on the Savage Orcs, unless I drop something else !

Maybe a Spider Rider or two in the smallest unit? As I only need 7 to get a bonus rank (the Boss on Gigantic Spider + Shaman on wolf taking up 3 "slots")...

So, (changes in orange) :

Forest Goblins - 1500pts - version 1.1

Lords & Heroes - 362pts :

- Snagla special character - 115pts (Rides with the 19-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Big Boss, BSB, Gigantic Spider - 100pts (Rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Shaman - 55pts (Walks with the large Goblin regiment)
- Goblin Shaman, Lvl2, Wolf - 92pts (Also rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)

Core Units - 748pts

- 19 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 296pts
- 9 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 156pts
- 39 Goblins, Spears, Shields, Command, 3 Nasty Skulkers - 216pts
- 10 Savage Orcs - 80pts

Special Units - 70pts :

- 2 Goblin Spear Chukkas - 70pts

Rare Units - 320pts :

- Arachnorok, Flinger - 320pts

Total : 1500pts

Forest Goblins - 1500pts - version 1.2

Lords & Heroes - 411pts :

- Snagla special character - 115pts (Rides with the 19-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Big Boss, BSB, Gigantic Spider - 100pts (Rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Shaman - 55pts (Walks with the large Goblin regiment)
- Goblin Shaman, Lvl2, Wolf - 92pts (Also rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Big Boss, Wolf, Spear - 49pts (Rides with the River Troll - wolf mount since Troll have M6)

Core Units - 654pts

- 19 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 296pts
- 8 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 142pts
- 39 Goblins, Spears, Shields, Command, 3 Nasty Skulkers - 216pts

Special Units - 70pts :

- 2 Goblin Spear Chukkas - 70pts

Rare Units - 365pts :

- Arachnorok, Flinger - 320pts
- 1 River Troll - 45pts

Total : 1500pts

Forest Goblins - 1500pts - version 1.3

Lords & Heroes - 362pts :

- Snagla special character - 115pts (Rides with the 19-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Big Boss, BSB, Gigantic Spider - 100pts (Rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)
- Goblin Shaman - 55pts (Walks with the large Goblin regiment)
- Goblin Shaman, Lvl2, Wolf - 92pts (Also rides with the 9-strong Spider Riders)

Core Units - 748pts

- 19 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 296pts
- 9 Goblin Spider Riders, Command, Bows - 156pts
- 39 Goblins, Spears, Shields, Command, 3 Nasty Skulkers - 216pts
- 5 Goblin Spider Riders, Champion, Bows - 80pts

Special Units - 70pts :

- 2 Goblin Spear Chukkas - 70pts

Rare Units - 320pts :

- Arachnorok, Flinger - 320pts

Total : 1500pts

Any preference ?

Still no suggestion about "must have" magic items ?

(Also, if someone could list the O&G-specific magical items, that'd be easier as my army book is in French lol)

Goblins can't have lances, they can have spears

Gar'Ang wrote:Goblins can't have lances, they can have spears

Right, "Spear" is "Lance" in French, so I wrote it badly... Thanks.

i didn't know that it's okay i have written swenglish occasionaly too xD

It happens...

yeah. I have a funny habit of switching between swedish and english when talking to my friends xD

Any help about the list, besides English issues ?

I would suggest removing the flinger or drop the arachnarok alltogether as it is at it's most effective as a flanker or target saturarion, the flinger is dead points as you want your arachnarok in flank combat or warmachine hunting

Well, I pretty much want a Spider-oriented army, from the 'small' Giant Spiders to the Arachnorok...

Why is the flinger useless ?

Also, in 1500pts games, I was thinking it could do a bit more than 'warmachine hunting'...

Put the arachnarok against either a horde's front ( that's pretty easy to avoid though) or against a combat oriented unit and it will be torn to bloody shreds. I cried as my arachnarok was killed by 3! chaos knights... The flinger is to weak and you don't want your big scary spider held back from combat.
The arachnarok is mainly a support unit, keep it alone and it dies, stick it in flanks or fronts supporting smaller tvinga, it survives



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