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I know I saw a thread like this before, but I can't seem to find it with the search...

anyway, Is their a way to make a GK army without actually using a GK...I want an inquisition army, not a GK army....

Yes, now pull out your book and go at it.

HQ - Inquisitor
Elites - Assassins, Inquisitorial henchmen
Troops - wazzup???

My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

The only thing I can think of is to use Coteaz, that way you get access to the Henchman as troops. Otherwise, no.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:The only thing I can think of is to use Coteaz, that way you get access to the Henchman as troops. Otherwise, no.

Thank you, nice to see someone actually helping...

Yeah, the only way for it to be legal is with Coteaz. Do you have the GK Book? If so, read up starting on page 48.

I should warn you, the Henchmen are more IG-like than SM.

The only thing I can think of is to use Coteaz, that way you get access to the Henchman as troops. Otherwise, no.

But remember that you can't use henchmen as elites, that way... so you'll end up with 6 units plus single unit HQs and elites (assassins) at best. You can put a lot of henchmen in every squad and fill up with vehicles (dedicated transports, mainly, if you go all chimeras or convert your rhinos/razorbacks as being crewed by common humans. LRs, SRs and Drednaugth should be out of commission, though, if you don't want any SM), but try not to get out (except with choppy henchmen), as they are as squishy as guardsmen (except for storm shield-toting crusaders or costly power-armoured warriors) but not as numerous or cheap. I mean, they are good and give you a wide choice of different units, allowing you to diversify, filling every role, from melta and plasma-spam or psyker-pie-plate to hard hitting cc unit, but you risk having a small, elite army without the benefits of marine's statline and standard equipment.
Try and experiment with them: you could use a pair of cc units (crusaders, death cult assassins, maybe a pair of arco-flagellants for additional attacks or a banisher with eviscerator) in LRs (maybe even non-astartes can pilot one?) escorting a granade-armed xeno inquisitor one, a pair of chimeras full of psykers or heavy fire support units of jokaeros and servitors, with melta or plasma warriors in razorbacks or, even better chimeras for tank or MC-killing.

as lastcame said, you are stuck with 6 squads of henchmen.

it can work (and has for me, very well) and I rely on massive firepower, no assault units in the army at all.

the real problem you run into is the FOC, at least how i ran them i ran out of FOC choices VERY quickly, and ended up taking 25 interceptors 4 riflemen dreads and 2 techmarines to flesh things out

if you run all henchmen you'll have issues with your squads bloating from unnecessary upgrads and/or have to make some consessions at to the no-gk thing.

Thanks Killroy, lastcame, and grundz

I need to actually buy myself a copy of the GK book, I just have half of it on my computer...and that's the fluff part.

the only way is to use corteaz and henchmen

bombboy1252 wrote:My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

It's only unhelpful if you don't own the Codex. As the question was is there any way not how do I.

Coteaz, henchmen as troops, vindicare assassin, and land raiders will probably be your army. Maybe toss in a Xenoquisitor with grenades to make your already deadly death cults even deadlier

You'll be a bit pressed for anti mech firepower though without the reliable psyflemen but not too undoable.

Noir wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

It's only unhelpful if you don't own the Codex. As the question was is there any way not how do I.

Agreed. Normally, we're here to give you advice on something you don't really understand in the book or if you need help with regards to something not in the book (i.e. strategies, army list critique, etc.). However, you are expected to already have the book and to refer to it first. If you have the book, it is fairly obvious that the only way to build a inquisitional GK force, especially if you don't want to have any GK's in it, is by using Coteaz.

draigowing. it's all hq and elites (palladins).

Henchmen article in my signature.


It all depends on how non-GK you want to go. Many of the GK units can be modeled as something else to fit your theme.

Here are a few examples from my Non-GK GK army (they are radicals, ie. Chaos against chaos)

Librarian: Alpha Legion Sorceror

Techmarine: Techpriest

Dreadknight: Giant Summoned daemon thingy

Noir wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

It's only unhelpful if you don't own the Codex. As the question was is there any way not how do I.

Agreed. Normally, we're here to give you advice on something you don't really understand in the book or if you need help with regards to something not in the book (i.e. strategies, army list critique, etc.). However, you are expected to already have the book and to refer to it first. If you have the book, it is fairly obvious that the only way to build a inquisitional GK force, especially if you don't want to have any GK's in it, is by using Coteaz.

Come on, guys, give him a break! He just wants to see if he can do it and to get some advices, so he can choose if the army fits him or not. Or do you buy all the codexes, then decide which kind of army do you want to field (or to face in battle)?

Or do you buy all the codexes, then decide which kind of army do you want to field (or to face in battle)?

Actually, I've bought most of the codexes first and then decided more on what I wanted

Frankly, they've all been helpful even though I don't play every army as you can start to spot weakness that may not be obvious to you. Not to mention catching some problems with random people's builds that were technically illegal etc... or trying to pull a fast one on you by abusing some rule you (or him/her) didn't really understand.

(i.e. I didn't know you couldn't bosspole the nob holding it but always thought you could cause the other guy always played it like that. until I bought and read through orks codex that is...)

Yeah, I do it too, but you can't blame someone for deciding to take a look before spending his hard-earned money or to ask for some advice, can you?

Agreed, stop the ball busting already. He wasnt asking for how rules are, or stat lines or even specifics. It was just a vague "how can I field no GKs" So hop off your high perches and either answer the question or keep your comments to yourself.

To actually answer the question:

Coteaz
Xenos w/ Rad Grenades
3x Land Raiders
3x Stormravens

+As many Death Cult Assassins and Crusaders (in a ratio of about 2:1 per squad) as you can fit into the vehicles. If you run out of points, just shove three acolytes with meltas into the stormravens or delete a stormraven or something.

Might not be the most competitive army, but it'll be fun as hell, IMO.

LastCameTheRaven wrote:

Noir wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

It's only unhelpful if you don't own the Codex. As the question was is there any way not how do I.

Agreed. Normally, we're here to give you advice on something you don't really understand in the book or if you need help with regards to something not in the book (i.e. strategies, army list critique, etc.). However, you are expected to already have the book and to refer to it first. If you have the book, it is fairly obvious that the only way to build a inquisitional GK force, especially if you don't want to have any GK's in it, is by using Coteaz.

Come on, guys, give him a break! He just wants to see if he can do it and to get some advices, so he can choose if the army fits him or not. Or do you buy all the codexes, then decide which kind of army do you want to field (or to face in battle)?

Thing is if that were simply the case, then the only answer he needed was yes or no, yet when he got that he ridiculed the poster and wanted to know a lot more.

I'm rocking a radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor army. I have the usual henchmen warbands, but also have Tau Stealth Suits for interceptors, dreadknights/sentinel hybrid, and a planned Eldar War Walker for the Venerable Dread. Note that you have to heavily convert everything to make it work. You can't just buy the models and call them other things.

Joey

Godless-Mimicry wrote:

LastCameTheRaven wrote:

Noir wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
My only problem is troops...I was asking is their anyway of doing it....I really don't care for people posting things that don't help me in the slightest...

It's only unhelpful if you don't own the Codex. As the question was is there any way not how do I.

Agreed. Normally, we're here to give you advice on something you don't really understand in the book or if you need help with regards to something not in the book (i.e. strategies, army list critique, etc.). However, you are expected to already have the book and to refer to it first. If you have the book, it is fairly obvious that the only way to build a inquisitional GK force, especially if you don't want to have any GK's in it, is by using Coteaz.

Come on, guys, give him a break! He just wants to see if he can do it and to get some advices, so he can choose if the army fits him or not. Or do you buy all the codexes, then decide which kind of army do you want to field (or to face in battle)?

Thing is if that were simply the case, then the only answer he needed was yes or no, yet when he got that he ridiculed the poster and wanted to know a lot more.

Actually all I wanted to know was if it was possible, people telling me how to do it is just a plus...and regardless theirs no need for people to be rude about it...

bombboy1252 wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:The only thing I can think of is to use Coteaz, that way you get access to the Henchman as troops. Otherwise, no.

Thank you, nice to see someone actually helping...

Then avode comment like this.

as other people said it is possible and would be a lot fun in small points engagements (750 points max)
you can have it fluffy as we found a chaos cult in the city whom were summoning deamons or cahos space marines and the inquisitor just gathered his retinue to stop the threat as soon as possible.

Noir wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:The only thing I can think of is to use Coteaz, that way you get access to the Henchman as troops. Otherwise, no.

Thank you, nice to see someone actually helping...

Then avode comment like this.

I'll avoid comments like that because I can't tell what you're trying to say...


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pizzaguardian wrote:as other people said it is possible and would be a lot fun in small points engagements (750 points max)
you can have it fluffy as we found a chaos cult in the city whom were summoning deamons or cahos space marines and the inquisitor just gathered his retinue to stop the threat as soon as possible.

I'll probably just make a small 500-750 point friendly list for it, and use a "counts as coteaz" because I hate unique characters in my armies...

Grey knights without using grey knights seems like imperial guard without the cool tanks. I like the idea, but the codex doesn't support it very well. I do see you do cortez, and henchmen, but after you fill your foc you don't have much the points.

I was going to take a unit of Warhammer Empire Greatswords, convert them to have stormbolters and call them purifiers. Give it an unique look. Until i realized i was just making IG without any tanks. And that i rather spend money on making an actual warhammer army.

bombboy1252 wrote:
I'll probably just make a small 500-750 point friendly list for it, and use a "counts as coteaz" because I hate unique characters in my armies...

ı actually enjoy the coteaz modeli bought when it came with the retinue so even had a good deal for it. On the other hand coteaz i would like to see a good scratch build coteaz, wonder how the eagle would be done by different people.

pizzaguardian wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:
I'll probably just make a small 500-750 point friendly list for it, and use a "counts as coteaz" because I hate unique characters in my armies...

ı actually enjoy the coteaz modeli bought when it came with the retinue so even had a good deal for it. On the other hand coteaz i would like to see a good scratch build coteaz, wonder how the eagle would be done by different people.

It's not because I don't like the model, I just don't like having unique characters in general...I like making my own people with their own names...