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Which one do you prefer?

It really depends on what list you are running. Do you need a gunboat? Or do you need a transport? Also hellstirke missiles are only ordnance. Not ordnance barrage, not ordnance, blast, not ordance barrage blast. Its similar a 1 shot krak missile. Think of it as an HK missile with ordnance.

Barksdale wrote:It really depends on what list you are running. Do you need a gunboat? Or do you need a transport? Also hellstirke missiles are only ordnance. Not ordnance barrage, not ordnance, blast, not ordance barrage blast. Its similar a 1 shot krak missile. Think of it as an HK missile with ordnance.

Soz, seems like i got barrage and ordnance mixed up

Vendetta all the way, You can't beat 3 TL LC. If gives you incredibly reliable anti-tank/MC, and if I'm not mistaken it can also transport troops if need be. So imho Vendetta is the only choice when it comes to Guard.

Zalmout wrote:Vendetta all the way, You can't beat 3 TL LC. If gives you incredibly reliable anti-tank/MC, and if I'm not mistaken it can also transport troops if need be. So imho Vendetta is the only choice when it comes to Guard.

How do you make your vendettas? Forgeworld?

Vendettas are the cheapest way to get reliable anti-tank in Guard. I used some Predator lascannon that I had kicking about to make mine. I clustered them around the cockpit rather than using Forgeworld's approach of wing mounting them. In my simplistic point of view I think it makes it more likely that all 3 would be able to hit the same target at any distance

Pics here.

Vendetta. If nothing else, it makes them a far larger target so your Leman Russes can get on with killing.

I infinitely prefer Vendettas. There are so many excellent choices for horde killing in other FOC slots that Valks are a bit extraneous. Especially compared to the otherwise massive overpricing of Lascannons in the codex; Vendettas are the only viable way of getting large amounts of them.

Vendettas are a bit over the top with what you get for the points you pay.

A Heavy Weapons Squad with 3 non twin-linked lascannons, is only 25pts less than a Vendetta. That 25pts turns the squad into a fast skimmer with extra armor, transport capacity, as well as twin-links all of the weapons.

Valks are okay, but as has been said, they're for anti-infantry work, and the Codex already does that fairly well with other units.

Valks can be used to take a vet squad right next to their target, but other than that don't bother with them.

Vendetta for the armor kill, take a squad of guys with melta guns.
Valkyrie for the troop kill, take a squad of guys with flamers.

I posted on this page a long time ago, good ideas for making one:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238594.page

Hope this helps.

Vendetta all the way, Had 3 of them filling my Fast Attack Slot.

I picked up some of the LR TL-Las sponsons off Ebay and used them under the wings, than a predator set on the nose

Valk does anti-infantry better and a better transport (It can move 12" and shoot all of its weapons)
Vendetta is a great AT gunship.
If you take Valkyrie you want to have a squad inside, Vendetta can go empty and just stay back and shoot.

Jackster wrote:Valk does anti-infantry better and a better transport (It can move 12" and shoot all of its weapons)
Vendetta is a great AT gunship.
If you take Valkyrie you want to have a squad inside, Vendetta can go empty and just stay back and shoot.

Depends on the Infantry you're shooting at TBH.

I've found that 3+ armor saves are quite ridiculous and fire Vendettas at marines quite commonly.

I thought the Valk came with a Multilaser, and two rockets standard? Those cannot move 12" and fire all

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Jackster wrote:Valk does anti-infantry better and a better transport (It can move 12" and shoot all of its weapons)
Vendetta is a great AT gunship.
If you take Valkyrie you want to have a squad inside, Vendetta can go empty and just stay back and shoot.

Depends on the Infantry you're shooting at TBH.

I've found that 3+ armor saves are quite ridiculous and fire Vendettas at marines quite commonly.

I thought the Valk came with a Multilaser, and two rockets standard? Those cannot move 12" and fire all

If you drop the 2 missiles for Rocket pods, which are defensive you could. And honestly 2 one shot missiles fire at BS3 is pretty terrible.

Vendetta is only better against MEQ in the open, given how easy cover saves come by the two are pretty even on that account.

p_gray99 wrote:Vendetta. If nothing else, it makes them a far larger target so your Leman Russes can get on with killing.

Exactly. That is the only use I have ever had for them. My opponents always shoot them down on turn 1.

VegRAWR wrote:

Zalmout wrote:Vendetta all the way, You can't beat 3 TL LC. If gives you incredibly reliable anti-tank/MC, and if I'm not mistaken it can also transport troops if need be. So imho Vendetta is the only choice when it comes to Guard.

How do you make your vendettas? Forgeworld?

I would assume the plastic kit that GW released years back.

Godless-Mimicry wrote:

VegRAWR wrote:

Zalmout wrote:Vendetta all the way, You can't beat 3 TL LC. If gives you incredibly reliable anti-tank/MC, and if I'm not mistaken it can also transport troops if need be. So imho Vendetta is the only choice when it comes to Guard.

How do you make your vendettas? Forgeworld?

I would assume the plastic kit that GW released years back.

GW makes Valkyries not Vendettas

Buy the valkyrie kit then convert.

I use a vendetta in my general list. I find that the ranged AT power is invaluable. It is also really easy to convert, especially with the amount of spare lascannons that heavy weapon kits provide. I used 4 lascannons under the wings and a dreadnought arm next to the cockpit. People sometimes mistake it for a forgeworld kit, but mine was free with stuff I had. Not £15 plus p+p.

I usually outflank mine, to get those juicy rear armour shots. An astropath helps to get it in early and on target. It also means that you can judge where it is needed better than having it on the board at the start, and it can have a turn of fire before it gets shot at.

As for the contents, I view the transport capacity as an added bonus. It is really a gunship, not a transport. A cheap SWS from a platoon can ride along inside, armed with 3 flamers. This makes the vendetta scoring and gives it some anti infantry bite if needed.

Vendetta can still transport alright, it scout up to 24" and then move 6" and can still fire all the guns it has.
On the second round of ardboyz prelim I used that to get my guys onto the objectives quickly.