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 iGuy91 wrote:
I think a big winner for the "Superior Fire Patterns" stratagem is going to be Aquilon Terminators. Their storm bolters are rapid fire weapons, which will go from Rapid Fire 2, to Rapid Fire 4, giving you a whopping 8 str 5 AP-1 shots per model out of deep strike.

Not too shabby.

Venatari are also good, a 5-man unit puts out 20 shots with pistols and hits ~23 times if you have re-roll 1’s. I also think it’s not half bad on the codex units, like a warden bomb. 40 S4 D2 shots will hurt, especially with the “no modifiers” strat.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
I think a big winner for the "Superior Fire Patterns" stratagem is going to be Aquilon Terminators. Their storm bolters are rapid fire weapons, which will go from Rapid Fire 2, to Rapid Fire 4, giving you a whopping 8 str 5 AP-1 shots per model out of deep strike.

Not too shabby.

Venatari are also good, a 5-man unit puts out 20 shots with pistols and hits ~23 times if you have re-roll 1’s. I also think it’s not half bad on the codex units, like a warden bomb. 40 S4 D2 shots will hurt, especially with the “no modifiers” strat.

I'll admit I've never used Venetari. They seem like a real oddball unit I'm not sure how to fit into lists.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
I think a big winner for the "Superior Fire Patterns" stratagem is going to be Aquilon Terminators. Their storm bolters are rapid fire weapons, which will go from Rapid Fire 2, to Rapid Fire 4, giving you a whopping 8 str 5 AP-1 shots per model out of deep strike.

Not too shabby.

Venatari are also good, a 5-man unit puts out 20 shots with pistols and hits ~23 times if you have re-roll 1’s. I also think it’s not half bad on the codex units, like a warden bomb. 40 S4 D2 shots will hurt, especially with the “no modifiers” strat.

24 STR 6 AP -2 2D shots with exploding 6's from a unit of 6 is going to turn them into Primaris killers. That's better than 2 AGCs.

Venatari are just a bit squishy but they deffo get some love from that strat. I’ll be using it on Allarus and Guard blobs.

With terrain favoring infantry and especially with the maneuverability of Fly I think it'll be easy enough for them to get cover. Plus anything shooting at Custodes is likely to have AP -2 or better so the 3+ save doesn't matter as much to me. Their Bucklers ignore AP -1 as well which people often forget.

So far, not seeing much reason to use infantry instead of Jetbikes still. The Shield-Captain buffs are quite nice though!

Yeah, not going to lie, this makes squads of sword and board teams as objective campers a lot more effective. 4 guys each would get 4 shots each which is now respectable for at least dissuading charges at least. Too bad they won't be good for anything else.

I will never understand what the intended purpose behind the sag guard now is. I would rather have 3 Bolter spears than the shooters.

Okay so the shield captain buffs are really cool- shame our troops still kinda suck. Maybe with points and terrain changes- which also look excellent- they could improve?

Speaking of terrain rules, it looks like they've taken the good bits of the aos system to put it in 40k- which is great. Plus, obscuring is perfect.

And IF dreadnoughts can become characters (as they should be !!) I will be using that strat every game on my telemon, because cool




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Ps venatari looking quite attractive with that stratagem. Maybe if they're useful I'll have an excuse to pick up those beautiful models

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

I will never understand what the intended purpose behind the sag guard now is. I would rather have 3 Bolter spears than the shooters.

Backline objectives if you’re playing pure Custodes I guess. A cheap squad of 3 firing their 3 heavy bolters every turn is better to have sat on a deployment-zone objective than a melee unit which can only fire 3 bolter shots at 24”

From a facebook group:

Just got a glance in the PA book.

Infantry units can deny psychic powers on a 4+ (wardens on a 3+) for 1cp.

Half the damage on a dreadnought for one phase for 1cp

One additional warlord trait for a character which is not your warlord for 1cp

Wound rolls against one of your Infantry units always fail at rolls 1-3 for 2cp (similar to space Marines)

Add 1 to attacks, and reroll failed charge rolls for one dreadnought for 1cp!

Add 1 to wound rolls for one of your units which is attacking a unit with a higher toughness than itself for 2cp

Terminator units (not just allarus) ignore up to - 2 ap for 2cp

You can deny enemy rerolls against one of your units for 2cp

This isn't everything, just a pick of some (and in my opinion the best) stratagems.

He send me the pictures and it seems very legit. it is in germen though.
I will write a summary. Sadly no chapter like subfaction rules.

Hot damn, some of those would be big if real. Lots of awesome 'bomb unit' strats. CP will be in big demand.

Thanks for sharing

This is what i have translated so far. I will update this poste
War of the Spider - Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence Rules
40k Discussion

Adeptus Custodes

Detachment rules

If your army is in battle forged and contains detachments of the Adeptus Custodes, you can choose from the armies on the following pages, which armies each of those detachments belongs to. If you do this, all Adeptus Custodes units of the respective detachment (with the exception of captain general trajann valoris) will receive the appropriate <Shield Host> faction key word.

Note that some relics are weapons or items of equipment that replace existing weapons or items of equipment of the character model. Where this is the case, in a game that uses point values, you still have to pay the point cost of the weapons or equipment you replaced. Record relics bearing your character models on your army list.

For example, if your army contains a detachment of adeptus custodes consisting of a shield captain, Captain General Trajann Valoris and three units of custodian guards, and you decide that that detachment belongs to the Shadowkeepers, then units (other than Captain General Trajann Valoris) contain the keyword.

A contingent of adeptus custodes belonging to one of the armed forces has access to the following rules.

Talons of the Emperor: Sisters of Silence can be included in an Adeptus Custodes detachment without losing your Sworn Guardians of Aegis of the Emperor abilities.

Shadowkeepers

WT: Lockwarden: When resolving an attack made by a character model against this warlord, subtract 1 from the hit roll. When resolving an attack made by this warlord against a character, subtract 1 from their save, including invulnerable.

Relic: Stasis Dungeon. At the beginning of the fight phase, choose an enemy character model unit within 3 inches of a model with this relic. Halve the attack value of models in that unit (rounded up) until the end of that phase, and reroll wound rolls of 1 from attacks from friendly Shadowkeeper models against that character model unit.

Strat: Responsibility is Heavy: 1CP Use this Stratagem in any phase in which a shadowkeeper unit of your army is chosen as the target of an attack. Subtract 1 from the strength value until the end of that phase if you attack that unit.

The Solar Watch

WL: Forward March: Add at the beginning of the movement phase add 1" on the movement value of friendly Solar Watch units who are within 6 inches of this warlord. Units inside of 6”, they may also shoot with rapid fire weapons as if they were assault weapons after they advanced.

Relic: The Quicksilver Claw: advance and charge, assault 4 guardian spear as per GW site.

Strat: The Approaching Eagle: 0CP. If you kill a character, the next stratagem the enemy uses costs 1cp more!

Emissaries Imperiatus

WL: Voice of the Imperator: If you are within 9 inches of this warlord, friendly Imperium units can use that warlord's moral value. Also add 3 inches to the range of the aura of this warlord, this has already been taken into account in the aura of this talent of the warlord.

Relic: Vexillum dominates: Emissary of the imperator vexilla: Reroll failed morale within 6” of this banner. If your unit is within 6 inches of a model with this relic, friendly models who count as 3 models when it comes to determining which player controls a mission objective.

Strat: The Emperors Hand: 1CP Use this stratagem in any phase when an Emissaries Imperiatus unit from your army is chosen to shoot or fight with. Until the end of that phase, when resolving an attack made by a model in that unit, ignore any negative hit roll, wound roll and AP characteristic modifier and any benefit to the saving throw as a result of cover for that attack.

Aquilon Shield

WL: Honest Companion. If you deal an attack against this warlord, halve the damage inflicted (rounded up).

Relic: Praesidius Only for a model with a stormshield. If you make an attack against a model with this relic, subtract 1 from the wound roll.

Strat: Shield of Honor: Use this Stratagem in any phase when an Empire character model unit of your army is chosen as the target for an attack of an enemy unit model. Choose an exhilarated Aquilon Shield Infantry or Aquilon Shield Dreadnought unit within 3 inches of that imperial character model unit. Until the end of that phase, you measure the distance to that imperial character model unit when you deal with attacks of a model of the enemy unit, but you deal with the attacks from models of the enemy loan unit against the unit you selected. If the selected unit is destroyed, all remaining attacks expire.

Dread Host

WL: All Seeing Devastator: If you deal an attack with a melee weapon of a model in a friendly Dread Host unit within 6 inches of this warlord, an unmodified hit of 6 will result in 1 additional hits.

Relic: Admonimortis: only for a model with castellated axe. This relic from terra replaces a castellan axe and has the following profile. Range 24” Rapid Fire 1, S4, Ap-1, D2, Melee, S+3, Ap-3, 3D.

Strat: The Golden Light of the Moiraides: use this Stratagem at the beginning of your attack phase. Choose for 1CP, a Dread Host unit of your army that was teleported to the battle this turn, or for 2 CP up to three such units. Until the end of that phase, you throw an additional d6 if you make a charge roll for one of those units and then discard one of the dice.

Captain Commander

Stratagem: 1CP once per game, pick a non-named shield captain and give them one of the following traits:

· Wound roll of 6 doubles damage (e.g. d3 > 2d3)

· +1 move characteristic and +1 to advance & charge

· 5+ CP refund max 1 per round

· Reroll wounds vs monsters and vehicles

· +2 wounds characteristic

· +2A against units with >6 models

· d3+3 when pile in and consolidate

· +1A for every wound lost to a max of 3

· +3” auras

Stratagems

· 1CP Choose a character and generate WL trait for them.

· 1CP Choose a dreadnought +1A and reroll charges.

· 1CP Half damage for dreadnought

· 1CP 5+ ignore mortals on vehicle same as knights strat

· 2CP When vehicle with machine spirit dies it can either attack or auto explode

· 2CP Wound rolls of 1-3 against infantry unit will always fail.

· 2CP +1 to wound in fight phase when fighting unit with higher toughness

· 1CP On an opponent’s successful cast targeting a unit, a roll of 4+ negates the power, add one if the target is a warden unit

· 1CP/2CP In shooting 6s auto hit and wound, cost 2cp for units >6 models

· 1CP When a unit wounds with a d6 weapons roll 2d6 choose highest.

· 1CP If an infantry unit didn’t advance, double rapid fire and pistol shots

· 2CP When a unit of terminators are targeted, AP 1 & 2 are treated as 0.

· 2CP No rerolls against a chosen unit for a phase

· 1CP At the end of the charge phase pick a unit that can heroically intervene as if it were a character

Sisters of Silence

Stratagems:

· Negate a psychic power on 3+ (from preview)

· After a custodes unit as shot or fought select a SoS-infantry unit in 6" they can reroll hit rolls for 1cp

· One prosecutor unit can change their bolter profil to be 18" range and assault 3 for 1cp

· When a unit within 18" of a SoS-infantry unit suffers a perils of the warp it suffers d3 additional mortal wounds for 1cp

· -1 to hit for an enemy unit within 6" to a SoS-infantry unit for 1cp

· Plus 1 to wound for a phase for a vigilator unit in melee for 1 cp

· Witchseeker flamer do min 4 hits for 1/2 cp (from the preview)

· When you hit a psyker or a demon with a psyk-out grenade they can overwatch and the SoS unit can reroll 1's to hit for 1cp


SoS are still elites

greatsblades are +2S instead of +1

Not gonna lie, here come the all Telemon Lists. How can the current Telemon even survive this? All we need now is dual fist telemons getting ported in by a deep striking flag homer and then boom you have 3 of those in your face doing ungodly things with their revised flamer weapons, which may or may not be max hitting, then a likely charge with rerolls, then melee, oh, and one can be a character? Sure. I can live with that.

From facebook: Someone translated the 3 visible Shield Host stuff:

Pick a Shield host, all units except Trajan get the key word.

Shadowkeepers:

Relic: pick enemy character unit inside of 3 inches, half its A value, reroll wound rolls of 1’s for everyone attacking
Warlord Trait: -1 to hit against characters, -1 save for enemy characters
Strategem: 1cp, use in any phase, deduct 1 from enemy strenght value when they attack one of your units.

Solar watch:
Relic: Spear with four shots, assault 24 inches, lets you retreat and advance and still atack after
Warlord Trait: Add 1 to the movement value of units inside of 6, they may also shoot with rapid fire weapons as if they were assault weapons after they advanced
Strategem: 0cp If you kill a character with your solar watch custodes the enemy has to spend an additional command point next time he uses a strategem.

Emissaries of the emperor (?):

Relic: Reroll leadership checks for units inside of 6 inches oft this vexilla, custodes count as three models for the purposes of scoring
Warlord Trait: Use the Warlords Leadership value of 9 for any imperium units inside of 9 inches. Add 3 inches to other auras.
Strategem: 1cp, unit ignores any modifiers to your to hit or to wound roll, ignore ap modifiers as well. Combat and shooting

Dread host is looking the best IMO

> dread host WL trait: All Seeing Devastator: If you deal an attack with a melee weapon of a model in a friendly Dread Host unit within 6 inches of this warlord, an unmodified hit of 6 will result in 1 additional hits.

Strat is: 3d6 charge and discard the lowest

Relic: 3D axe


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Aquilon Shield
WL: Honest Companion. If you deal an attack against this warlord, halve the damage inflicted (rounded up).
Relic: Praesidius Only for a model with a stormshield. If you make an attack against a model with this relic, subtract 1 from the wound roll.
Strat: Shield of Honor: Use this Stratagem in any phase when an Empire character model unit of your army is chosen as the target for an attack of an enemy unit model. Choose an exhilarated Aquilan-shield-infantry-or Aquilan-shield-dreadnought unit within 3 inches of that imperial character model unit. Until the end of that phase, you measure the distance to that imperial character model unit when you deal with attacks of a model of the enemy unit, but you deal with the attacks from models of the enemy loan unit against the unit you selected. If the selected unit is destroyed, all remaining attacks expire

Dread Host
WL: All Seeing Devastator: If you deal an attack with a melee weapon of a model in a friendly Dread Host unit within 6 inches of this warlord, an unmodified hit of 6 will result in 1 additional hits.
Relic: Admonimortis: only for a model with castellated axe. This relic from terra replaces a castellan axe and has the following profile. Range 24” Rapid Fire 1, S4, Ap-1, D2, Melee, S+3, Ap-3, 3D.
Strat: The Golden Light of the Moiraides: use this Stratagem at the beginning of your attack phase. Choose for 1CP, a Dread Host unit of your army that was teleported to the battle this turn, or for 2 CP up to three such units. Until the end of that phase, you throw an additional d6 if you make a charge roll for one of those units and then discard one of the dice.

Now Dreadhost is what we needed! Thanks for the update!

Reliable Deep Strike charge is a significant change. What's the % of success with that strat?

52.31% chance of rolling a 9+ on 3d6b2.

This is without accounting for a CP reroll.

That said the Relic with 1 model counting as 3 for objectives is GREAT for camping Sags.

 JNAProductions wrote:
52.31% chance of rolling a 9+ on 3d6b2.

This is without accounting for a CP reroll.

And with 3 of them benefiting I like those odds! If one is a Dread and you want to burn CP, he can be Re-Rolling the dice too.

And also remember that you can stack that 3D6 with a re-roll charges warlord trait for one model, and +1 to charge for another upgraded character. So one bike captain 3D6 with re-rolls, another character 3D6+1, and another unit 3D6 (with CP re-roll option).
Also based on the strat, it looks like it’s when they teleport in, not “at the start of the battle” so you can use it multiple times.

Oh yeah dread host looks great

So dread host is more or less mandatory, the other options don't come even close....or am I missing something here?
As for warlord traits, I don't see anything that beats out codex options, which is a shame.
The 3d castellan axe relic is really rather nice though on a terminator captain

Question: for 1 CP I can give a dreadnought +1 attack and reroll charges. So if i use the dread host stratagem where I can roll 3d6 from deepstrike and discard one dice, can I reroll 3d6 with that buffed dreadnought?

Edit: also, can I turn a dreadnought into a character now or not? Somebody mentioned that on the stream right? Also what about valerian and aleya?

Tiberias wrote:
So dread host is more or less mandatory, the other options don't come even close....or am I missing something here?
As for warlord traits, I don't see anything that beats out codex options, which is a shame.
The 3d castellan axe relic is really rather nice though on a terminator captain

Question: for 1 CP I can give a dreadnought +1 attack and reroll charges. So if i use the dread host stratagem where I can roll 3d6 from deepstrike and discard one dice, can I reroll 3d6 with that buffed dreadnought?

Edit: also, can I turn a dreadnought into a character now or not? Somebody mentioned that on the stream right? Also what about valerian and aleya?

Still no word on character dreads though that was intimated on stream. Dread should be able to re-roll the 3D6, yeah. Valerian and Aleya should be a valid HQ for a Custodes detachment though we don't know exactly how yet.

Audustum wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
So dread host is more or less mandatory, the other options don't come even close....or am I missing something here?
As for warlord traits, I don't see anything that beats out codex options, which is a shame.
The 3d castellan axe relic is really rather nice though on a terminator captain

Question: for 1 CP I can give a dreadnought +1 attack and reroll charges. So if i use the dread host stratagem where I can roll 3d6 from deepstrike and discard one dice, can I reroll 3d6 with that buffed dreadnought?

Edit: also, can I turn a dreadnought into a character now or not? Somebody mentioned that on the stream right? Also what about valerian and aleya?

Still no word on character dreads though that was intimated on stream. Dread should be able to re-roll the 3D6, yeah. Valerian and Aleya should be a valid HQ for a Custodes detachment though we don't know exactly how yet.

But hasn't gw hinted at updated rules for them, since so many people were pissed that the rules they came with were so atrocious? Also their points cost is still stupid.

Tiberias wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
So dread host is more or less mandatory, the other options don't come even close....or am I missing something here?
As for warlord traits, I don't see anything that beats out codex options, which is a shame.
The 3d castellan axe relic is really rather nice though on a terminator captain

Question: for 1 CP I can give a dreadnought +1 attack and reroll charges. So if i use the dread host stratagem where I can roll 3d6 from deepstrike and discard one dice, can I reroll 3d6 with that buffed dreadnought?

Edit: also, can I turn a dreadnought into a character now or not? Somebody mentioned that on the stream right? Also what about valerian and aleya?

Still no word on character dreads though that was intimated on stream. Dread should be able to re-roll the 3D6, yeah. Valerian and Aleya should be a valid HQ for a Custodes detachment though we don't know exactly how yet.

But hasn't gw hinted at updated rules for them, since so many people were pissed that the rules they came with were so atrocious? Also their points cost is still stupid.

War of the Spider had already been printed at the time the rules for them came out..

All the points are changing with the 9th ed. release next month and again in December with Chapter Approved 2020, so at least there's some hope there.

 Asmodai wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
So dread host is more or less mandatory, the other options don't come even close....or am I missing something here?
As for warlord traits, I don't see anything that beats out codex options, which is a shame.
The 3d castellan axe relic is really rather nice though on a terminator captain

Question: for 1 CP I can give a dreadnought +1 attack and reroll charges. So if i use the dread host stratagem where I can roll 3d6 from deepstrike and discard one dice, can I reroll 3d6 with that buffed dreadnought?

Edit: also, can I turn a dreadnought into a character now or not? Somebody mentioned that on the stream right? Also what about valerian and aleya?

Still no word on character dreads though that was intimated on stream. Dread should be able to re-roll the 3D6, yeah. Valerian and Aleya should be a valid HQ for a Custodes detachment though we don't know exactly how yet.

But hasn't gw hinted at updated rules for them, since so many people were pissed that the rules they came with were so atrocious? Also their points cost is still stupid.

War of the Spider had already been printed at the time the rules for them came out..

All the points are changing with the 9th ed. release next month and again in December with Chapter Approved 2020, so at least there's some hope there.

Wait, wait....so the two complaints were that one, valerian and aleya were not usable in a custodes detatchment and two, their rules are utter crap and gw said: wait for war of the spider and all will be fine.
So now you can take them in a talons detatchment no problem, but their rules and point cost are still utter gak and will probably never be fixed since they are a black library release? The nail in the coffin is that the sculpts are also still utterly atrocious. Screw gw on this one, seriously.
But I shouldn't be too salty, at least we got one usable shield host, which is nice.

Repeats of what’s been posted, but in an image format so you can save them to your phone and look longingly for the next week:

Question?
With the strat that gives +1 to wound a target with higher toughness
Is that before or after weapon str modifers? Because if before than axes will wound on 2 vs anything

NOLA_tiger wrote:
Question?
With the strat that gives +1 to wound a target with higher toughness
Is that before or after weapon str modifers? Because if before than axes will wound on 2 vs anything

The toughness of the custodes unit is compared to the targets toughness.