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Is Pask still an upgrade? He makes a Punisher a murder machine (29 S6 against armor or rerolling wounds against MCs). He's d@mn good in an Exterminator also.

 Ir0njack wrote:
Easysauce your gonna make that nids and ork player cry, stop it hehe. But in all seriousness I think the IG make make it out of this update relatively .. dare I say it? Balanced.. Though some details still remain to be seen (i.e, Is that a open topped Taurox or was that just for show?) I hope our high model count keeps us out of that FOTM club.

The white dwarf said the sculptor was allowed to go all out on the interior, so its just for show. I thought it was pretty cool.

dkellyj wrote:
Is Pask still an upgrade? He makes a Punisher a murder machine (29 S6 against armor or rerolling wounds against MCs). He's d@mn good in an Exterminator also.

They are selling him in a 3 Russ boxed set with crewmen so i will assume he still is available.

I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

 portugus wrote:
I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

I'm guessing Pask will be a HQ too.

So we have the potential for 15 russes in an army. 2 tank command squadrons in the Hq slots, then three squadrons in heavy support. Frakk the hell yes

I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

Possibly been mentioned but the Designer Notes in the digital edition of White Dwarf Weekly are about the new Ogryns kit.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 portugus wrote:
I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

I'm guessing Pask will be a HQ too.

On the UK website, Pask is in the Heavy Support section. He's listed individually and as part of a Leman Russ squadron.

 ph34r wrote:
I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

The more I hear about it the less enthused I am. We've gotten a Stormtrooper company book, but many of the fundamental issues and problems of Stormtroopers remain unfixed, the book's organization is weird and highly non standard, the new transport we've got is redundant and/or overgeared (in addition to looking dumb), Valks and Vendettas both got nerfed (though the prince increase on the Vend was valid), Hydras get stuck with being Open Topped, Vox's still work very stupidly, the Warlord traits thus far sound thoroughly wacky (grenades...really?), and in general it sounds like several important existing orders may disappear along with possibly the medusa/griffon/collossus along with Marbo and Penal Legionnaires, nor does it appear (as yet anyway) that any improvements have been made to units in significant dire need.

the only bright spot thus far apparently being that Sentinels will apparently be cheaper, we'll have some sort of new Ogryns, a new HS mortar tank, a new transport (redundant and/or overequipped as they may be) and ST's are at least cheaper.

I hope I'm not just being overly pessimistic, but from what it feels like, this is shaping up to be a rather uninspiring and undesired release.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

The more I hear about it the less enthused I am. We've gotten a Stormtrooper company book, but many of the fundamental issues and problems of Stormtroopers remain unfixed, the book's organization is weird and highly non standard, the new transport we've got is redundant and/or overgeared (in addition to looking dumb), Valks and Vendettas both got nerfed (though the prince increase on the Vend was valid), Hydras get stuck with being Open Topped, Vox's still work very stupidly, the Warlord traits thus far sound thoroughly wacky (grenades...really?), and in general it sounds like several important existing orders may disappear along with possibly the medusa/griffon/collossus along with Marbo and Penal Legionnaires, nor does it appear (as yet anyway) that any improvements have been made to units in significant dire need.

the only bright spot thus far apparently being that Sentinels will apparently be cheaper, we'll have some sort of new Ogryns, a new HS mortar tank, a new transport (redundant and/or overequipped as they may be) and ST's are at least cheaper.

I hope I'm not just being overly pessimistic, but from what it feels like, this is shaping up to be a rather uninspiring and undesired release.

You are being pessimistic. Every complaint there is trivial.

1) I'm strongly convinced that Storm Troopers are viable now, so any point on them having unfixed issues is effectively moot from my perspective

2) The new transport is not redundant, the TL Gatling + TL Hot Shot Volley Gun puts out more firepower than a DE Venom, and certainly more than the Chimera

3) Valks got a price increase, but in the MT book there's an air cavalry doctrine that makes them very viable.

4) We don't even know if the Vendettas have received a price increase yet for sure

5) Hydras have open topped, big deal. Vehicles die. Don't be an idiot and let them die without accomplishing something.

6) Did you really expect them to massively buff a 5 point upgrade?

7) The Warlord traits are wacky, but among some of the best yet written.

I like the sound of a Tank Commander, even if just for the BS4. Does the preview list the cost to upgrade to a Command tank?

 Mr.Omega wrote:


You are being pessimistic. Every complaint there is trivial.

1) I'm strongly convinced that Storm Troopers are viable now, so any point on them having unfixed issues is effectively moot from my perspective

Yes ST's are cheaper now. However cost alone does not make something work. They dropped 4 PPM but also lost a bunch of stuff. There are 2 core problems, the first is the Hotshot lasgun having too short a range and too low a strength to be hugely effective outside the most optimal of circumstances (under 9") where their likely targets are also going to be most (and typically, more) effective at fighting them back. The second is that they retain the statline of the basic 5pt guardsmen aside from Ballistic Skill and Sv, including crucially Ld, meaning that they have to rely entirely on said ineffective wargear for their direct combat usefulness over similar alternatives (SWS's, Vets, command squads) while being only marignally harder to remove, and only if taken at greater than basic strength. Effectively the patient looks to have lost weight but is still out of shape.

2) The new transport is not redundant, the TL Gatling + TL Hot Shot Volley Gun puts out more firepower than a DE Venom, and certainly more than the Chimera

And is notably more expensive, potentially twice as expensive after kit as a Chimera (unless they've made major changes to it) while also being easier to kill (hence my comment about being overburdened), and looking very silly.

3) Valks got a price increase, but in the MT book there's an air cavalry doctrine that makes them very viable.

Which doesn't apply to the main IG codex if you didn't want to run an MT army.

4) We don't even know if the Vendettas have received a price increase yet for sure

We don't know most of these things for sure, hence why I stated "feels like" instead of just flat out "is".

5) Hydras have open topped, big deal. Vehicles die. Don't be an idiot and let them die without accomplishing something.

Setting aside the silly logic of what essentially amounts to "L2P bro" that can literally be applied to anything if you don't want to acknowledge problems with anything, the tank has never been open topped, going all the way back to Epic and over a decade of having its own FW model, and the change largely seeming to be arbitrary.

6) Did you really expect them to massively buff a 5 point upgrade?

I wouldn't necessarily expect it to remain 5pts and it all depends on the style of list as to what would be a "massive buff" (as static gunline lists would likely prefer the existing system and more mobile mechanized lists would likely prefer a vox system that allowed for extended range).


Then there's the potentially missing removed units if those bear out to be correct.

 Lone Cat wrote:
And what is his weapon? it looks like a club but it also looks like medieval Handgonne

It's a tetsubo, a weapon associated with Japanese Oni.

According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Here are the notable exceptions I can see :

HQ
+ Tank commander
* Nothing else special, primaris psyker still in.

Troops
- lack of special weapon squad
- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action
- Commander Chenkov lost in action
* Sergeant Harker still here

Elite
- Marbo lost in action
* Tempestus scions replace stormtrooper (we already knew that)
+ bullgryns

Dedicated Transports
+ Taurox (and taurox prime)

Fast attack
* unchanged

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

Artillery out? Not good at all. Not unexpected, but still an absolute pain.

Guess they are headed to a supplement or dataslate.

No, not Marbo!

Looky Likey wrote:
Guess they are headed to a supplement or dataslate.

Dataslate "artillery company" I'm betting. You couldn't make a supplemental codex with them.

They're also in IA vol1.


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Still a bit rubbish though.... If true.

I've got my preorder Scions already from Element Games (UK) - that's release day, so pretty impressed with the turnaround time.

I've built a few and kitbashed a few with cadian parts - if anyone was wondering (I know I was) they seem to fit together reasonably well, I thought I'd link a couple of pictures

Scions are looking cool, Bull0, I particularly like the kneeling sniper. The Cadian and MT parts seem to mesh nicely.

I'm hopingwhat you Kitbashed was the legs from the cadians, because the kneeling one has a giant moldline that my eye instantly gravitated too.

I would hope that a brand new GW kit wouldn't have moldlines like that.

Has anybody heard anything about Regimental Doctrines that were rumored a while ago?

Personally i can't help but feel anxious. The IG has lost a lot of units, and i don't see anything very interesting (Maybe Bullgryns, maybe) to replace them.

According to the rumors, weve lost multiple special characters, Marbo, Al'harem, Chenkov. All of those were specifically designed to give an IG army the chance to really make itself stand out.

In 5th edition, an IG player who really payed attention to fluff could truly make something for himself that felt cool and interesting. If you wanted a tanith force, for example, you had veterans in camo cloaks. If you wanted a Valhallan force, you not only had chenkov but you had multiple artillery options and conscripts.

Some of those things might be still here, but i don't know if there is anything to replace them.

The only thing i really want to know at this point is if we are getting Regimental Doctrines like Space Marines, or even better, if were getting something like in the 4th edition codex where we can truly make a unique guard force. That's all i care about at this point.

I crafted a unique guard force that i am really proud of, some of the most fun i had was trying to represent that on the tabletop.

Yeah, I usually scrape after assembly rather than before. Those legs are from the cadian kit - there are definitely lines on the scion kit but they're nowhere near as dramatic.

 Paradigm wrote:
Scions are looking cool, Bull0, I particularly like the kneeling sniper. The Cadian and MT parts seem to mesh nicely.

Thanks!

So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

Puscifer wrote:
So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

HQ yes, Troops no.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

Screw this.

Now that pre-orders are up and the Imperial Guard section has been restructured under the Astra Militarium, I am a bit concerned that we may be in for a surprise when the codex is released.

Stormtroopers are NOT available under the elites choice, despite being released as a product already. This is worrisome because when a kit is used under multiple armies, it typically appears in the relevant section of the army where it applies. I am wondering if the only way to get stormtroopers is by allying with the MT now. In other words, buy another codex to get access to troops you had before.

Sentinels - completely gone from site.

Hydra - love it (being sarcastic), a kit no different in plastic than the Manticore - yet it is 13% more in price. Gw is determined to keep raising prices until only millionaires can afford to play this game.

On a mixed feeling note, it is good to see all the old metal regiments released again. However, you have to laugh at the arrogance and hubris of GW with this one. 10 metal models in all those kits for $35 US, whereas 5 PLASTIC scions are $35. So metal, with a current cost of almost 10 times that of plastic GW can sell for $3.50/model - yet the plastic scions GW has almost 10 times lower production costs and sells for $7/model. If this isn't the exact definition of ripping customers off at this point, I don't know what is.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

HQ yes, Troops no.

LRBT troops would be nuts. It's also covered by ABG, a FW ruleset.


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 Wayshuba wrote:
Now that pre-orders are up and the Imperial Guard section has been restructured under the Astra Militarium, I am a bit concerned that we may be in for a surprise when the codex is released.

Stormtroopers are NOT available under the elites choice, despite being released as a product already. This is worrisome because when a kit is used under multiple armies, it typically appears in the relevant section of the army where it applies. I am wondering if the only way to get stormtroopers is by allying with the MT now. In other words, buy another codex to get access to troops you had before.

Ogryns, Bullgryns and sentinals are also gone, so that theory is dubious.

If those three show up under AM and not scions, then there's reason for concern.