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Just got back from my local GW with my scions.They will look great as Chaos troops imo.They had a painted up Taurox and it looked a lot better than the pics do.It came across as more of a SWAT vehicle/snatch land rover to me,the inside was pretty cool too.It's a smaller vehicle than it looks in the pics.

Hey Bull0, quick quizzie.

The Commissar-ish/Commander coat/jacket thingy. Does it have options for the right hand? I see yours has a power sword but all the other pictures of the model has it with a little daggery thing.

 Wayshuba wrote:


On a mixed feeling note, it is good to see all the old metal regiments released again. However, you have to laugh at the arrogance and hubris of GW with this one. 10 metal models in all those kits for $35 US, whereas 5 PLASTIC scions are $35. So metal, with a current cost of almost 10 times that of plastic GW can sell for $3.50/model - yet the plastic scions GW has almost 10 times lower production costs and sells for $7/model. If this isn't the exact definition of ripping customers off at this point, I don't know what is.

I'm totally not defending GW but, the cost of production is not solely dependent on the material costs. The metal is more expensive material but much cheaper to cast. Injection moulding is pretty expensive to get up and running. Hence the reason most 3rd party shops use metal or resin.

Love that Commissar, but not enough to come back to GW's (take it, you like that don't you!?) abusive relationship.

Hey, if the Tempestus is out, how is it with the Summary Execution? Old rules or the new one with 1-2 (feth) 3-6 (sorry, private Whatsyaname)?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

HQ yes, Troops no.

LRBT troops would be nuts. It's also covered by ABG, a FW ruleset.


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 Wayshuba wrote:
Now that pre-orders are up and the Imperial Guard section has been restructured under the Astra Militarium, I am a bit concerned that we may be in for a surprise when the codex is released.

Stormtroopers are NOT available under the elites choice, despite being released as a product already. This is worrisome because when a kit is used under multiple armies, it typically appears in the relevant section of the army where it applies. I am wondering if the only way to get stormtroopers is by allying with the MT now. In other words, buy another codex to get access to troops you had before.

Ogryns, Bullgryns and sentinals are also gone, so that theory is dubious.

If those three show up under AM and not scions, then there's reason for concern.

SWEET!!!

Cheers.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Here are the notable exceptions I can see :

HQ
+ Tank commander
* Nothing else special, primaris psyker still in.

Troops
- lack of special weapon squad
- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action
- Commander Chenkov lost in action
* Sergeant Harker still here

Elite
- Marbo lost in action
* Tempestus scions replace stormtrooper (we already knew that)
+ bullgryns

Dedicated Transports
+ Taurox (and taurox prime)

Fast attack
* unchanged

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

If that's all true, this Codex sucks.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:


On a mixed feeling note, it is good to see all the old metal regiments released again. However, you have to laugh at the arrogance and hubris of GW with this one. 10 metal models in all those kits for $35 US, whereas 5 PLASTIC scions are $35. So metal, with a current cost of almost 10 times that of plastic GW can sell for $3.50/model - yet the plastic scions GW has almost 10 times lower production costs and sells for $7/model. If this isn't the exact definition of ripping customers off at this point, I don't know what is.

I'm totally not defending GW but, the cost of production is not solely dependent on the material costs. The metal is more expensive material but much cheaper to cast. Injection moulding is pretty expensive to get up and running. Hence the reason most 3rd party shops use metal or resin.

Love that Commissar, but not enough to come back to GW's (take it, you like that don't you!?) abusive relationship.

I would believe that, except I just bought some high-quality 3rd party plastic storm troopers for 1/4th the price of the Scions. Are we supposed to believe that GW with all its institutional experience, sunk capital costs, bulk material contracts, and existing design experience is somehow being beaten on cost by a tiny 3rd party that only produces five box sets?

No, GW prices and their crazy multi-codex + dataslate business model is based on the flawed belief that they have monopolistic control. To the die-hard Warhammer players, who will buy anything GW makes, that might be true, but these prices don't reflect their costs and they're driving people from the hobby and blocking new people from entering.

I was looking forward to Imperial gu...I mean astra whateverus release because I needed some inspiration to bring my IMPERIAL GUARD army back to the painting table. I don't think that happens with this release. Stormtroopers are ok, but the price is too high. Taurox is stupid concept and the model itself is even worse. New Hydra and its variant leave me unimpressed, but I never liked Hydra concept to begin with anyway. I'm still waiting for updated Basilisk/Griffon kit instead. I'm undecided on the Ogryns. I know I don't need any, but I might want to paint a few just to see if I can make them look good. Depends on a price, I guess. Big NO to Bullgryns, though.

I think I'll skip the codex as well. I don't fancy paying 39eur for a book that I don't really need (because I only collect and paint armies, rarely play them). I'd rather buy another Leman Russ Battle Tank instead.

By the way, it is interesting that Hydra/Wyvern sprue is dated 2012, but Militarum Tempestus Scions and Taurox are 2013.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I'm totally not defending GW but, the cost of production is not solely dependent on the material costs. The metal is more expensive material but much cheaper to cast. Injection moulding is pretty expensive to get up and running. Hence the reason most 3rd party shops use metal or resin.

That is true, but that same dynamic means that plastics can benefit from economies of scale much more than metals can, so it's in your best interest to price the plastics cheaper so you can spread the up-front cost over more units.

Cutting things rather than trying to make them worse?
Removing options because it "doesn't have a model" (even when it does)?
Reducing flavour?

Sounds like a Cruddace Quickie! Welcome other Guard players. The Tyranid players are keeping the seats warm for us.



Meanwhile, White Scars got rules in the latest Marine Codex...

A supplement will soon sort this out don't worry!

Pfft crybabies! When I was a young guardsman we didn't have all those fancy vendettas or meltas and had to kill Demon Lords drowing them in blood. You have all grown spoiled by those fancy toys and special characters and now that they are gone cry like little Tau. Thank the Emperor that GW really knows how you should play Astartus Militantus like a true Astartus.

Learn to play people

M.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sounds like a Cruddace Quickie!

Sounds like the patch notes for the next World of Warcraft expansion.

Special Weapon Squad has been removed.
Bastonne has been removed.
Al'Rahem has been removed.
Chenkov has been removed.
Marbo has been removed.
Griffon has been removed.
Medusa has been removed.
Colossus has been removed.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Pfft crybabies! When I was a young guardsman we didn't have all those fancy vendettas or meltas and had to kill Demon Lords drowing them in blood. You have all grown spoiled by those fancy toys and special characters and now that they are gone cry like little Tau. Thank the Emperor that GW really knows how you should play Astartus Militantus like a true Astartus.

We had Griffons though.

well they've swapped the heavy mortar totting Griffon for the Thudd gun totting Wyvrin.

Some thoughts from a long time lurker here:

Do not mourn special weapon squads yet... that list is probably from the summary page. SWS never had a unique profile, so they may be fine.

A thought for the Sentinel: The White Dwarf leak listed a heavy stubber for AsM at a bargain price and the list entry for Armoured Sentinels grants them armory access. Barring specific restrictions in the armory list I still hope for Sentinel stubbers

Grenade launcher Bullgryns with inbuilt cover may be a nice unit if they can hold their own in a shooting battle. I never cared for a specific melee unit eating up a large chunk of points and barely contributing to the battle before dying to a superior enemy.
Bullgryns without special melee equipment and carapace are already superior to current Ogryns and should perform similarly: They eat weak assault units and die to monsters.
So if their primary job is shooting they may be fine.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
- Commander Chenkov lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
* Sergeant Harker still here
- Marbo lost in action Is in the Elite Section on the GW Site

At least they are still all up in the GW-US site.

 Snrub wrote:
Hey Bull0, quick quizzie.

The Commissar-ish/Commander coat/jacket thingy. Does it have options for the right hand? I see yours has a power sword but all the other pictures of the model has it with a little daggery thing.

Just saw this, sorry Snrub! It does not. The only official option in the kit is the dagger. That sword comes attached to an arm, I sawed it off at the wrist and then it was quite easy to get it in to the space (and helpfully the coat and body hide the join, so you don't even need to be too precise). It wasn't too difficult.

Bit of an issue since if you want to give the squad leader the nice jacket, there isn't a power fist or power weapon that'll fit straight out of the box. Kind of a design oversight.

*edit* I guess you could use the pimp cane as a power maul, if you were so inclined.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:

- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
- Commander Chenkov lost in action Is in the HQ Section on the GW Site
* Sergeant Harker still here
- Marbo lost in action Is in the Elite Section on the GW Site

At least they are still all up in the GW-US site.

I think GW often just let models sell out rather than pulling them immediately. We have another week before the models are supposedly getting axed, plenty of time for things to change.

Since when has Bastonne had a model?

If the Griffons truly are gone, I'm going to be highly perturbed.



Won't be able to use these as Basilisks (Snub nosed bassies.. yea. No), or Wyverns. I could still use the Imperial Armor book to field them, granted, but it's still frustrating as I would rather not have to buy an Imperial Armor book just to field a pair of Griffon mortars.

I can only hope and pray they come out with a supplement for artillery that brings the Colossus, Griffon, and Medusa back in as options. Otherwise I'm going to be very disappointed. Also, before anyone says it: Yes, I realize buying a supplement is identical to having to buy the Imperial Armor book.

*sighs* Gonna go try and figure out how I can use the models pictured above in the near future, and quietly hope that they are in-fact still in the new codex.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Aren't the rules identical to the last codex? Just use it. It's established they exist in IA. You have the rules to show.
Problem solved.

Perhaps all of the arty will simply Bassies with different main guns? That would be sensible though...

Same AV, same options (basically), same chassis. Only difference is the boom part.

No Griffons = Not interested. If I can't field Betty, I have no interest in fielding my other 4500 points, either. To hell with this game.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Here are the notable exceptions I can see :

HQ
+ Tank commander
* Nothing else special, primaris psyker still in.

Troops
- lack of special weapon squad
- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action
- Commander Chenkov lost in action
* Sergeant Harker still here

Elite
- Marbo lost in action
* Tempestus scions replace stormtrooper (we already knew that)
+ bullgryns

Dedicated Transports
+ Taurox (and taurox prime)

Fast attack
* unchanged

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

If that's all true, this Codex sucks.

We already knew basically all of that, except for the artillery stuff and Al'Rahem and Chenkov. Sounds like the "spanish source" cobbled together a load of known stuff and then chucked in something controversial to get attention. Hope so, anyway.

we don't have the codex and until GW say there gone there's not much point crying over milk not spilt yet.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Aren't the rules identical to the last codex? Just use it. It's established they exist in IA. You have the rules to show.
Problem solved.

Agreed, but knowing my luck if I try and go to a tournament there will be TFG who will decry my force because I'm trying to use I.A. rules/units. (Of course, if the tournament allows them, TFG can hug mah nuts.)

I'm still going to use them, I just like being able to show the most current rules to my opponent (In this instance, the I.A. rules) should they want to see them. Keeping my old codex with me for reference will work but it's not my preferred method.

C'est-la-vie.

And yea, Maceria, I agree. I hope the Basilisk is in and you just pay different points to replace the actual gun with a different gun. I somehow doubt I'm that lucky, but we'll see.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
If the Griffons truly are gone, I'm going to be highly perturbed.



Won't be able to use these as Basilisks (Snub nosed bassies.. yea. No), or Wyverns. I could still use the Imperial Armor book to field them, granted, but it's still frustrating as I would rather not have to buy an Imperial Armor book just to field a pair of Griffon mortars.

I can only hope and pray they come out with a supplement for artillery that brings the Colossus, Griffon, and Medusa back in as options. Otherwise I'm going to be very disappointed. Also, before anyone says it: Yes, I realize buying a supplement is identical to having to buy the Imperial Armor book.

*sighs* Gonna go try and figure out how I can use the models pictured above in the near future, and quietly hope that they are in-fact still in the new codex.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

That'll be an easy conversion, just stick some tubes/straws in the barrels.

The wyvern sounds very useless. But honestly, my artillery tanks are always the first target with their low armor and high damage output.

 Bull0 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Here are the notable exceptions I can see :

HQ
+ Tank commander
* Nothing else special, primaris psyker still in.

Troops
- lack of special weapon squad
- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action
- Commander Chenkov lost in action
* Sergeant Harker still here

Elite
- Marbo lost in action
* Tempestus scions replace stormtrooper (we already knew that)
+ bullgryns

Dedicated Transports
+ Taurox (and taurox prime)

Fast attack
* unchanged

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

If that's all true, this Codex sucks.

We already knew basically all of that, except for the artillery stuff and Al'Rahem and Chenkov. Sounds like the "spanish source" cobbled together a load of known stuff and then chucked in something controversial to get attention. Hope so, anyway.

Hope so, I'm not going to be happy if all the artillery options are going in exchange for the Wyvern. I didn't mind the Wyvern when it was simply expanding our choices, if it's a replacement for our choices then no, I don't like it at all.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
If the Griffons truly are gone, I'm going to be highly perturbed.



Won't be able to use these as Basilisks (Snub nosed bassies.. yea. No)...

Yes, just get pipe from hobby shop and extend barrel...viola!. basilisk