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Made in gb
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Wonka's security force.


...I think i just crossed the line of funny and taking the piss. I apologise.

Honestly, i like them but i much prefer the new look.

   
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The Hammer of Witches





cornwall UK

Jersey shore squats...

Casey'slaw you hit the nail on the head. I do love them, but I may strip them anyway - don't worry there are another 10 of the old paintjob squats left - these were just the orangey-est ones. Or maybe I should just buy more squats(checks bank balance): where the bloody hell did all the money go!?! I swear my housing association charges me for rent twice.

   
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cornwall UK

Well then - here is my to do list of models that have been grey-scaled ready for painting.

Hybrid - I'm very pleased with my assembly on this one - it required a lot of GS and patience. I found an extra claw arm in my bits box that was just perfect and I had no idea where it came from. The magazine on his autopistol looks dead straight and that was the hardest bit to get right!



Commissar lasgun man. I think maybe he is using the humble lasgun to show solidarity with the troops - but I bet he has had it secretly upgraded to master crafted hot-shot.



This Ork - I love this ork, he just looks right. So perfectly old school fantasy. So I better paint him. His sword is a plastic replacement because he was damaged



Plastic Squat - I have three of these but it is very hard to get a good pose on them - this one is the first one I've succeeded with. He is a gunslinging biker type.

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6 foot underwater

How many shades of grey?

Looking good in their monochromatic glory, eagerly awaiting paint!

Like the base on the hybrid, and love the old-skool orc, looks like he's rubbing his face against his favourite choppa in a carressing way.

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The Hammer of Witches





cornwall UK

40,000 shades of grey!

Thanks monkey - They are already accumulating paint. I will do an update once a few more layers are down.

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







This is the story of Jervis VS. The Squats from portent.net'

Spoiler:
"I know I shouldn't get drawn on this... but... can't... resist

Seriously, a couple of points just so you can have an informed debate based on the real reasons that Squats are no longer available. Be warned, it is going to be hard reading for people that like the Squat background.

First of all, Squats were *not* dropped because they were not selling well. There were then, and are now, plenty of other figure ranges that sell in the sort of % quantaties that the Squats pulled down, especially when you look across all of the ranges produced by GW rather than just those for 40K.

No, the reason that the Squats were dropped was because the creatives in the Studio (people like me, Rick, Andy C, Gav etc) felt that we had failed to do the Dwarf 'archetype' justice in its 40K incarnation. From the name of the race (Squats - what *were* we thinking?!?!) through to the short bikers motif, we had managed to turn what was a proud and noble race in Warhammer and the other literary forms where the archetype exists, into a joke race in 40K. We only fully realised what we had done when we were working on the 2nd edition of 40K. Try as we might, we just couldn't work up much enthusiasm for the Squats. The mistake we made then (deeply regreted since) was to leave them in the background and the 'get you by' army list book that appeared. With hindsight, we should have dropped the Squats back then, and saved ourselves a lot of grief later on.

Anyway, the Squats made it into 2nd edition, and since we were doing army books for each of the races, we started to try and figure out what to do with them. Unfortunately we just couldn't figure out a way to update them and get them to work that we felt was good enough. The 'art' of working on an army as a designer is to find the thing that you think is cool and exciting about an army, and work it up into a strong theme. This 'muse' didn't strike any of us, and so, rather than bring out a second-rate product simply re-hashing the old background, we kept doing other army books instead, with stuff we did feel inspired by.

Now, while this was all going on for 40K, we were actually doing some rather good stuff for the Squats in Epic. On this scale there was a natural tendancy to focus on the big 'hand-made' war machines the Squat artisans produced, and this created an army with a feel that was very different to the biker hordes in 40K. However, this tended to reinforce the problems we saw in the Squat background rather than alleviate them, underlining what we *should* have done with the Squats in 40K.

In the end (and it took years to really get to the roots of the problem) this led to a realisation that we were going to have to drop the Squats in their 'Squat' form from the 40K background. There was little point having a major race that we weren't willing to make an army book for, and their inclusion in the background meant that people kept asking us when we'd do a Squat Codex. Instead we decided that we'd write the Squats out of the background by saying that their Homworlds had been devoured by a Tyranid Hivefleet. This would give us the option in the future to return to making a race based ont he Squat archetype for 40K. This race was given the name of Demiurg, and a certain amount of preliminary work was done to get a 'feel' for what the race would be like. At present the only hint of the Demiurg in 40K is the Demiurg spaceship for BFG. However, we do have this race 'in our back pocket' as a possible new race for 40K, or an interesting character model in Inquisitor, or whatever. So far the Demiurg have lost out to other projects, and it may be that their time never actually comes, as they will have to win through on their merits, not simply because we once made some Squat models in the past. At present, I have to say that it is more lilely that they *don't* make the cut than do, as there is a certain predudice these days to simply taking races from Warhammer and cross them over to 40K like we did in the early days, so it may be that the Squats/Demiurg end up remaining a footnote in the history of the 40K galaxy. Only time will tell...

The second point I'd like to make is about 'old moulds'. In the past, Mail Order in the UK and US used to be the place that we kept all of the retired moulds for Citadel Miniatures, and we used to offer a service where you could order any Citadel Mniature ever made from MO. However, there are now so many of these 'back catalogue' miniatures that it is simply impossible to keep all of the old moulds in Mail Order and offer this service. Instead, we pick and choose which back catalogue miniatures are kept available. At present we're still struggling to produce special catalogues for these ranges (in the US there is the 'Phone Book' catalogue with everything in it, while the UK has special 'collectors guides' that are themed round a race). Once we've ironed out the kinks in the way we deal with the range of collectors models we want to keep permenantly available, the plan is to offer up other parts of the back catalogue for limited periods of time. In effect this will divide the back catalogue into three parts: a range of classic models that are permenantly available, a range of classic models we dip into and bring out for a limited release, and a range of retired models that will no longer be sold either because we've decided that they are embarrassingly bad, or because we are no longer allowed to sell them due to licencing agreement changes. So far we're still slowly working on deciding which classic models we want to keep permenantly available, and its going to take several years to work through just those. The old Squat range is most likely to end up as retired models, I have to say, though there is a good chance that the Squat war engines they could simply into the limited release classic range. Once again, only time will tell...

I'll finish off by saying that whatever we decide to do 'officially', there is nothing stopping players with Squat armies from using them, either in Epic or 40k for that matter. There is no GW 'rule' against using old Citadel Miniatures, as long as you use them with exisiting army lists and in a way that won't cause confusion for other players. I recommend taking a positive stand by saying "Have you seen these cool old models? They're called the Squats and GW used to make them back in the late eighties/early nineties. I love 'em, so I count them as Imperial Guard and use them with the current rules..." Put like this I can't imagine that anyone would stop you from using your army.

Best regards,

Jervis Johnson
Head Fanatic"


So it sounds like that paragraph in the back of the new 40k Codex about Squats and the "permanent dsagreement" between the Lords of Terra (i.e. himself, Rick Priestly, Gav Thorpe, and Andy Chambers)- Well Rick has left GW to start Warlord Games now and Mat Ward is now a Lord of Terra in the GW HQ and wants the Squats back.

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cornwall UK

Well There you go - I didn't think they were a 'joke' personally, but they were a bit half baked and underdeveloped. I like the idea of emphasizing the engineer aspect of the squats and making them tech wizards.

But basically I love the biker look and there will always be room for humour in 40k

   
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As much as anything else, the problems were they handed off substantial elements of the Dwarf archetype to other races - Space Wolves being a prime culprit, as they have huge elements of typical Norse mythology in their imagery.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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cornwall UK

Thats true mr dysartes - apart from the odd rune here and there the squats don't have much norse to them. And I suppose squat is a daft name on reflection.

These are by no means finished but I thought I might as well post a pic seeing as they won't be done till tomorrow:
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I love the Bald little guy! Commissar's armor is pretty cool too, that's a look that sitll fits in IMHO.

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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California + Philidelphia

That bald guy is great, I have a few of that style squat but with different heads, and I like the commissar!

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6 foot underwater

Looking good so far

And that squat head would make a great basis for a Walter White figure I'd been toying with an orky version, but....hmm, cogs are churning

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Columbus, GA

Looking good, weets.

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The Hammer of Witches





cornwall UK

Thanks all - monkeytroll I haven't watched that series - isn't he played by the dad from Malcolm in the middle? Yes I can imagine that head attached to a dirty lab coat.

Still not totally decided on stripping any squats - I should probably paint the bikes b4 I do anything else. I've been looking at bob olleys scrunts again as well - much better sculpts but they are larger than GW squats and might not go well together. Anyone seen his texas gunslinger scrunts? They are cool: http://www.collecting-miniatures.com/olley/index.php/Lupus

Can anyone recommend a really Nordic looking space dwarf? I was hoping that there might be a company doing a more modern sculpt.

Here are finished pieces. Maybe I can do better, but they are to a good standard. I need to push myself soon.
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Good job on both of them, look really lifelike.

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Madison, WI

I think those look fine weets. Nice additions to your collection.

Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."

Gitsplitta's Unified Painting Theory
 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Columbia, SC (USA)

That is a really nice group of minis for this round of painting!

I am particularly fond of the Orc. He comes from the BC2 Monster Starter Set that Citadel produced in 1985. My friends and I bought a set (mail order from England). I kept all five of the goblinoid figures including the Orc Champion, which is the model that you are painting. He originally had a morning star.

P.S. I really dig the Squat and the Commissar. Nice minis and an excellent blend of colors. Nothing too overpowering; very natural and very nice!

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Leaping Khawarij





Baltimore

I feel like he could really use a shotgun. He's just got the pose for it down.

The Squat is awesome. Just awesome. I love the glasses.

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cornwall UK

Hey JB I think I have the vile goblin from that set too.

Thanks for looking guys - here is another one. I thought I better try a little OSL with this one and I think I may have made it just a touch too subtle but well its only like the third time I tried it and I'm pretty happy.
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Madison, WI

Hmmm.... I don't see the OSL, but too little is better than too much. Oh wait... the red light on the floor, right?

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Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."

Gitsplitta's Unified Painting Theory
 
   
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The Hammer of Witches





cornwall UK

Definitely too subtle - It would probably show up better against a black background. I may go back and intensify it.

   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







He looks good.
The OSL on the figure looks fine, subtle yes, but it works. Maybe a bit more on the metal floor surrounding the light might draw the attention a bit more...but you know I'm hardly the expert...

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Claws need work too.


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I think you're right Dr H - A little more on the floor.

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cornwall UK

Voila! It does look better a bit less subtle. Sorted out the claws too.
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Everything is looking great, weets!

   
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Madison, WI

Big improvement weets, well done!

Anvildude: "Honestly, it's kinda refreshing to see an Ork vehicle that doesn't look like a rainbow threw up on it."

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Columbus, GA

Great job, weets. I've never liked those style claws. They don't look sharp enough to do any damage. They just look like tubers to me. Like he's got a glove with yams stuck thru it. lol

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Yep, good job.

Mastodon: @DrH@dice.camp
The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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cornwall UK

Yams! Or bananas.

   
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cornwall UK

models ready for colour.

On the left is a model I already painted before but I found another one in my box of lead. Then the purestrain genestealer artfully balanced on a pipe - and finally my personal favourite the hybrid - I've been looking forward to painting this one for ages
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