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Murrdox wrote:
One of the earlier pictures of the Ork Mek has him with a Cybork cutting arm which looks suspiciously close to the cutting arm of the Painboy.

I'm wondering if this new Mek will be some kind of dual kit to make either a Mek or a Painboy. Part of me says "Of course not" simply because certain main body items on the Mek such as the apron with the tools in it wouldn't really apply to the Painboy. But we'll see.

I'm moderately excited about Mega Blasta pistols though, that's pretty cool. I hate "Get's Hot" weapons with the Orks though. With Space Marines, it's not that bad. You have a pretty good hit chance compared to the 16% misfire chance, and if you DO misfire, you've got a 66% chance to negate the wound.

On an Ork though, you have a really BAD chance at hitting with the weapon. Your chance to hit is only twice as good as your chance to misfire the weapon! Then on top of that, you're almost guaranteed to suffer a wound because of the Ork T-Shirt save.

You appear to be missing the point.

It will probably be about half the points, with a higher strength.

Kustom mega slugga spam!

I too am thinking we will likely see a dual kit cyborg/mek.

Makes sense and will certainly make for an AWESOME kit. You can produce both models with the bits each time using an ork boy or nob body and the additional bits.

i thought someone said both were this week, according to the WD issue.

Edit: Thats in regards to codex this week comment that i forgot to quote... derp.

Awesome, new cards! I have other armies, so choosing to place race specific vs general is awesome.

I get done my job on the 27th, (at a work site) so it'll be great timing to get the codex and cards.

It seems Tactical Objectives are like Warlord traits- you can use the generic ones in the BRB, or army specific ones in the codex.

Datasheets BEFORE the codex, and the excuse to not include them in the book for free is.....??
This is beyond pathetic. Oh we know looted vehicles are beloved, even if typically weak. What if we can force our sheep to pay more to have a complete dex, that way it wont look like our codex prices are going up, but really they are!

Also before you go defending them, it says EXCLUSIVE. Which means its not included in the book we are about to shell out for. So now if we want to have our full army (without internet download shenanigans), we need the codex, and to buy this white dwarf for 4 bucks, rip out the pages so we don't have to lug the thing around all the time, and put them in the book.

 Orock wrote:
Datasheets BEFORE the codex, and the excuse to not include them in the book for free is.....??
This is beyond pathetic. Oh we know looted vehicles are beloved, even if typically weak. What if we can force our sheep to pay more to have a complete dex, that way it wont look like our codex prices are going up, but really they are!

...how do we know that looted vehicle rules aren't in the codex? The book isn't even out yet!

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Datasheets BEFORE the codex, and the excuse to not include them in the book for free is.....??
This is beyond pathetic. Oh we know looted vehicles are beloved, even if typically weak. What if we can force our sheep to pay more to have a complete dex, that way it wont look like our codex prices are going up, but really they are!

...how do we know that looted vehicle rules aren't in the codex? The book isn't even out yet!

Because it says exclusive, as in only.

It could be an exclusive datasheet, and separate rules for looted wagons.

The joys of vague wording.

codex is next week.

Can we get confirmation of this? Will you reveal where you got this information from?

Sorry I messed up the Quote editing...

And a one page data sheet is difficult for you to obtain?

Also, looks like the pain and mek boyz are separate. Looking like a couple sweet orderly models too!

Isn't datasheet used for an apoc formation where a data slate is for regular 40k?

The terrain rules also need datasheets.

Such confusing wording.

 Orock wrote:
Datasheets BEFORE the codex, and the excuse to not include them in the book for free is.....??
This is beyond pathetic. Oh we know looted vehicles are beloved, even if typically weak. What if we can force our sheep to pay more to have a complete dex, that way it wont look like our codex prices are going up, but really they are!

Also before you go defending them, it says EXCLUSIVE. Which means its not included in the book we are about to shell out for. So now if we want to have our full army (without internet download shenanigans), we need the codex, and to buy this white dwarf for 4 bucks, rip out the pages so we don't have to lug the thing around all the time, and put them in the book.

Lulz

A single google image search will give you the rules on almost anything appearing in a magazine published format.

UltraPrime wrote:


Lulz

But if you DON'T buy the WD rather than print out a hi-res scan, and buy a special binder to contain the WD and carry it around with you to every game then you won't be able to complain! And everyone knows complaining is why TRUE FANS of 40K REALLY like the hobby!

Games Workshop is LITERALLY SLAPPING US IN THE FACE

 PhillyT wrote:
A single google image search will give you the rules on almost anything appearing in a magazine published format.

Yes I know its easy as pie to aquire the rules underhandedly. I am just mad they aren't included in our product that hasent even been released. Its not years later, its weeks before. And this has probably been completed for a month or more. Couldn't this have just been included in the book for the prices they are demanding today?

Or just screen capture them on your phone or iPad!

Thats what we do for the odd rules that pop up in WD that not all of us purchase.

 Multimoog wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:


Lulz

But if you DON'T buy the WD rather than print out a hi-res scan, and buy a special binder to contain the WD and carry it around with you to every game then you won't be able to complain! And everyone knows complaining is why TRUE FANS of 40K REALLY like the hobby!

Games Workshop is LITERALLY SLAPPING US IN THE FACE

Er, what?

 Multimoog wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:


Lulz

But if you DON'T buy the WD rather than print out a hi-res scan, and buy a special binder to contain the WD and carry it around with you to every game then you won't be able to complain! And everyone knows complaining is why TRUE FANS of 40K REALLY like the hobby!

Games Workshop is LITERALLY SLAPPING US IN THE FACE

Why not include the rules in the book in the first place. This isn't an afterthought months after the release. Think you can cut the sarcasm long enough to give a well thought out response?

Because some people will buy the WD for the rules in a nice paper bound format. It will make GW a little more money in a very low margin business and increase interest in their weekly physical communique.

 Delevarius wrote:
One more thing I found on facebook

Spoiler:

nothing about the Codex on that cover ... I guess it would be mentioned if it was to be released next week ...

Wish they'd just drop the damn codex already! (Feels like Apple may be causing a hold up so they're maybe delaying it?)

 PhillyT wrote:
Because some people will buy the WD for the rules in a nice paper bound format. It will make GW a little more money in a very low margin business and increase interest in their weekly physical communique.

Said better by kosake then I could respond with.

"It's not whether you can buy something or not. It's about your responsibility as a mature customer. If you buy this just because you can afford it, all companies everywhere will start to milk you for cash wherever they can, to the point that the paper wrapper around your hamburger will cost you extra. If you do not buy into these DLC-style transactions and do not support other dickish moves like dataslates and the like, companies will stop trying it. It's up to you to decide, if you still want decent products, fair cost-to-product ratios and ocasional free stuff or if you want to give companies your hard-earned cash just because you can. Mind you, it's not about not being able to afford something. It's about how you want your financial environment to be.

Regarding opening post: Yup. Scanners, copy maschines, typewriters, paper & pencil have all been lost to the dark age of technology. Praise the omnissiah (GW), holding the only available means of data storage. I give it half a day until first scans appear on 4chan or something. "

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Wish they'd just drop the damn codex already! (Feels like Apple may be causing a hold up so they're maybe delaying it?)

Why would Apple stop GW from releasing the physical book? I'm 99.9% positive this is GW testing out a new release style.

 Orock wrote:

Why not include the rules in the book in the first place. This isn't an afterthought months after the release. Think you can cut the sarcasm long enough to give a well thought out response?

I can't hear you due to the ringing in my ears from literally being slapped in the face so much

 Multimoog wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Why not include the rules in the book in the first place. This isn't an afterthought months after the release. Think you can cut the sarcasm long enough to give a well thought out response?

I can't hear you due to the ringing in my ears from literally being slapped in the face so much

Are you an angry Tom Kirby slapping yourself in the face saying "You made me do this!!"

Seriously guys. How many of you play in an environment where you have constantly to proof your lists and stuff and the only accepted means to do so is an original GW publication?

I don't mean "once in a year where there is this tourney in the local GW", but regularly.

There really is no point in stating your opinion on these so called "DLC". It

Many people hate them because they feel like they should be in what they originally paid for.

Many people don't really care because it is extra content that's not required.

No one will convince the other they are correct.

We don't even know whether the looted wagon rules are WD exclusive.

You are just seeing inaccurate punctuation and reading what you like least.

Would people rather GW just drop the Looted Wagon entirely? Because that was the more likely option, as it does not have an official kit, and plenty of other companies make their own versions of it. So getting rules for it, even in WD, is a good thing. I'm rather sure Tyranid players would be rejoicing if the Spore Pod was included in an exclusive White Dwarf rather than dropped entirely, and Guard would have appreciated the Griffon and Medusa being WD exclusives rather than FW again.

People complain that the WD is useless or a waste of money, and then also complain when they put exclusives into it. And it's a White Dwarf, with apparently the full rules for the unit. They could have done Codex: Looted Wagons like they did for Knights, or Codex Mek's Workshop with Big Meks, Mek guns, and Looted Wagons, like the Militarum Tempestus book.

As for the codex, it will be preorder on the 21st, released on the 28th, per BigRed at BoLS

99070103001 50-18 ORK MEK Plastic Clam 21-Jun-14 28-Jun-14 RTD $21

99070103002 50-25 ORK PAINBOY Plastic Clam 21-Jun-14 28-Jun-14 RTD $26

60030103005 50-01-60 CODEX: ORKS (ENGLISH) Book (HB) 21-Jun-14 28-Jun-14 RTD $49.5