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 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

These are of course IMPERIUM feet, Emperor-approved measurements of distance that don't match up with the lengths we use today.

 Geifer wrote:
Yes, the bottom of the base is 28mm in diameter. The top is about 25.5mm. I can't measure fractions of a millimeter very well.

Thank you so much for that.

I can start up some sci-fi Necromunda style bases for the Votannites.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

Or GW found a way they can sneak a fairly distasteful concept (that of younger soldiers) in without causing huge blowback.

Don't forget that per the lore from "Dead Men Walking", 16-17 is considered "veteran" in the ranks of the DKoK.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

Or GW found a way they can sneak a fairly distasteful concept (that of younger soldiers) in without causing huge blowback.

Don't forget that per the lore from "Dead Men Walking", 16-17 is considered "veteran" in the ranks of the DKoK.

How many 4-5 foot tall military vets y'all know?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

Or GW found a way they can sneak a fairly distasteful concept (that of younger soldiers) in without causing huge blowback.

Don't forget that per the lore from "Dead Men Walking", 16-17 is considered "veteran" in the ranks of the DKoK.

How many 4-5 foot tall military vets y'all know?

I see we're failing to actually read posts today.

Bolded the relevant part for you, in case you missed it. DKoK have a VERY young age bracket for their troopers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

Or GW found a way they can sneak a fairly distasteful concept (that of younger soldiers) in without causing huge blowback.

Don't forget that per the lore from "Dead Men Walking", 16-17 is considered "veteran" in the ranks of the DKoK.

How many 4-5 foot tall military vets y'all know?

I see we're failing to actually read posts today.

Bolded the relevant part for you, in case you missed it. DKoK have a VERY young age bracket for their troopers.

I see that you obviously meet lots of four foot tall teenagers...

I really don't mind the Kin being in the neighborhood of 5 feet tall. If they're just slightly shorter and stockier humans, that's good enough for me. Actually, maybe even preferable to them being shorter.

It's definitely strange that Jess would say that they're only 4 foot when they're clearly not...

 Malika2 wrote:

Wow so they are as tall as kreig guardsman? That disgusting. Seriously who the hell thought dwarves in space should be the same height as imperial guard?

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
I really don't mind the Kin being in the neighborhood of 5 feet tall. If they're just slightly shorter and stockier humans, that's good enough for me. Actually, maybe even preferable to them being shorter.

It's definitely strange that Jess would say that they're only 4 foot when they're clearly not...

Frankly I would be absolutely okay with them being around 5', if they at least stuck to that and didn't contradict themselves.

A silly question but what does the Imperium officially call the Kin?

I mean the Kin call each other Kin because they are or feel related to each other, but surely the Imperium doesn't call them Kin? A League of Votann is their political organization, but not their species or subspecies designation. Squats is now a pejorative term and now apparently restricted to Necromunda.

Iracundus wrote:
A silly question but what does the Imperium officially call the Kin?

I mean the Kin call each other Kin because they are or feel related to each other, but surely the Imperium doesn't call them Kin? A League of Votann is their political organization, but not their species or subspecies designation. Squats is now a pejorative term and now apparently restricted to Necromunda.

Squats is not a term restricted to Necromunda, it's (one of) the Imperial names for the Leagues.

It may have been mentioned already, but there is artwork of the "original" squat designs that appear in the codex. A nice call back to the original army and I guess evidence that those iterations of squats are still canon to 40k

 GaroRobe wrote:
It may have been mentioned already, but there is artwork of the "original" squat designs that appear in the codex. A nice call back to the original army and I guess evidence that those iterations of squats are still canon to 40k

I just came to comment on it, I just saw it.

A unit like this would be great, if it came to kt with the excuse that there are very old things in gallowdark.

 GaroRobe wrote:
It may have been mentioned already, but there is artwork of the "original" squat designs that appear in the codex. A nice call back to the original army and I guess evidence that those iterations of squats are still canon to 40k

Ah thats cool, which piece of art is it? I take it not the one of the Squat with the hoverboard haha.

You know, if there was a Squat expansion that included new units, I wouldn't mind a special character on a non hover trike (heavily updated of course) as a throwback to their "old ways".

So many potential colours!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So many potential colours!

Spoiler:

I AM doing the Ice Planet 2002 scheme. I own every single one of those sets and I must do it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So many potential colours!

Spoiler:

Thanks for the nostalgic chuckle !

I was wondering why the power miner squat was bugging me. The vehicles are green and orange, the miners wear blue and grey

I got a Blacktron space base for Christmas as a kid. I don't remember much white, but black and neon green? I think I need to get my hands on a box of space dwarfs and give that a try. I even have plenty of Tesseract Glow.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So many potential colours!

Spoiler:

Omg, these all look just awesome

Heh, love those color schemes.

Back in the day I used the LEGO space logo for a homebrew RTB01 marine force. Simple enough for my freehand skills at the time.

I suppose the ninja and medieval knight versions will have to be converted with bits. So be it!

Wow...the temptation to do a small force of Spaceshiiiip Kin is pretty strong...

I'm really liking Mars Mission, Power Miners, and Rock Raiders - in that order.

Also going to throw up a "citation needed" on the 4ft Votann claim, I went back and looked through whatever sources (mostly WarCom) I could find for votann/squats and didn't see anything that would indicate a 4' avg height.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm really liking Mars Mission, Power Miners, and Rock Raiders - in that order.

Also going to throw up a "citation needed" on the 4ft Votann claim, I went back and looked through whatever sources (mostly WarCom) I could find for votann/squats and didn't see anything that would indicate a 4' avg height.

Citation Provided (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/30/lore-of-the-votann-the-anatomy-of-the-kin/)

It really wasn't all that hard to find

Wellp, they went ahead and did it. They true-scaled space marines, only to un-true scale them by releasing oversized squats.

 Sacredroach wrote:
Wow...the temptation to do a small force of Spaceshiiiip Kin is pretty strong...

It’s a one-two combo right to the nostalgia.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wellp, they went ahead and did it. They true-scaled space marines, only to un-true scale them by releasing oversized squats.

They didn't true-scale Marines. They released even biggerer Marinier Marines who were bigger than the old shorty Marines who are still short.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wellp, they went ahead and did it. They true-scaled space marines, only to un-true scale them by releasing oversized squats.

Clearly, it's a long term preparation to release even Bigger, even True Scale-r, even Mariner Secundus Marines in 14th ed.