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Is it just me, or did all the Squat preordering knock out GW's website? I went to take a look (wasn't even gonna buy anything) and I got a 503 error that I've never seen before.

Yeah, hit the same snag a couple of times today too

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Is it just me, or did all the Squat preordering knock out GW's website? I went to take a look (wasn't even gonna buy anything) and I got a 503 error that I've never seen before.

It's been doing it for a few days now. It has to do with Cloudflare.

 Olthannon wrote:
Nah they're about the same as the AoS ones and yes, because Necromunda is on a slightly different scale.

EDIT: if that is the combat patrol that's a pain in the arse because I can't say I really want the bezerks or another squad of bikes. I was hoping for the exosuits or the cool heavy weapon gunners. Thunderers? Not got a look at the codex yet, how viable are the bikers?

This is a really solid combat patrol. Between the limited boxset and 2x of these you have a super solid start to an army. The bikers are very solid. They are not super durable or output a ton of damage, but they are insanely fast (auto-advance 6, so you are going 18") and have an excellent stratagem for protection and can have searchlights for a stratagem to put a grudge token on a unit. They are also Obsec allowing you to nab some objectives super quickly.

Is it just me or are the new Squats about the size of regular humans nowadays?

I did a size comparison on my website: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/09/review-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

They‘re smaller than old Chaos Cultists, which are about 2 to 3 mm smaller than more modern human infantry models, so I think that‘s alright.

Domandi wrote:
LoV combat patrol

If this is indeed the Combat Patrol: do the Berserkers come in a set of four? They were presented as a set of five in a WHC article.

Other than that this looks like both a good addition to the army set as well as a solid start on its own. All units are useful, and the character can be doubled as well. Not bad!


Edit: Can't speak for other regions, but on the German GW store the German army set was sold out early afternoon yesterday, and the English one is sold out as well by now (Sunday morning).

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Nah they're about the same as the AoS ones and yes, because Necromunda is on a slightly different scale.

EDIT: if that is the combat patrol that's a pain in the arse because I can't say I really want the bezerks or another squad of bikes. I was hoping for the exosuits or the cool heavy weapon gunners. Thunderers? Not got a look at the codex yet, how viable are the bikers?

Bikers are very good, because the rest of your army is slow as all balls without a transport or teleport, so a 12" biker unit with a 12" pregame move and ObSec is great for grabbing objectives early

Also heard on the Tabletop Tactics battle report that a unit of them can do a double pre-game move for a CP. 24" before the 1st turn !

Good thing you have no interest to charge with them...

 stahly wrote:
I did a size comparison on my website: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/09/review-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

They‘re smaller than old Chaos Cultists, which are about 2 to 3 mm smaller than more modern human infantry models, so I think that‘s alright.

Stahly can I ask how they scale with the Necromunda Squat box?

 Darnok wrote:

Domandi wrote:
LoV combat patrol

If this is indeed the Combat Patrol: do the Berserkers come in a set of four? They were presented as a set of five in a WHC article.

Other than that this looks like both a good addition to the army set as well as a solid start on its own. All units are useful, and the character can be doubled as well. Not bad!


Edit: Can't speak for other regions, but on the German GW store the German army set was sold out early afternoon yesterday, and the English one is sold out as well by now (Sunday morning).

Berserkers are a set of five, as you’ve got the Mole Launcher. I mistook that for a second character as first, but it’s definitely the Mole Launcher.

Contents wise I agree it’s a pretty decent one. Rules entirely aside as ever for me, I always view Combat Patrols from the gifting point of view. A long term hangover from my Till Monkey days. This one is pretty nice. Certainly nothing in there looks particularly redundant after two copies, perhaps barring the Khal. Though, if you’ve not the Ltd Box, that goes to three copies, due to SC being made from the same kit, and weapon options.

Cheers everyone re:bikers. Good to know because I like those models, just I was hoping for either the buggy vehicle or something heavy in the combat patrol instead!

Seeing that combat patrol picture only reinforces how stupid the shooty berserker is. A plodding gunner with a plodding caddy in a squad of running melee fighters isn't what I'd call good visual design.

 Pacific wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I did a size comparison on my website: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/09/review-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

They‘re smaller than old Chaos Cultists, which are about 2 to 3 mm smaller than more modern human infantry models, so I think that‘s alright.

Stahly can I ask how they scale with the Necromunda Squat box?

I'm interested in this as well.

 Malika2 wrote:
Is it just me or are the new Squats about the size of regular humans nowadays?

Well, they're not dwarfs but evolved humans who are squat - which just means that they're packed tighter, denser, shorter and stockier. They just have to be 'shorter' than baseline humans, not comically so.

I'm betting that the mortar berserk can be made into a regular squad member instead. In which case you'll have a spare ironkyn model to fiddle with.

 Pacific wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I did a size comparison on my website: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/09/review-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

They‘re smaller than old Chaos Cultists, which are about 2 to 3 mm smaller than more modern human infantry models, so I think that‘s alright.

Stahly can I ask how they scale with the Necromunda Squat box?

From Reddit:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/xghlue/votann_size_comparisons/

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Is it just me or are the new Squats about the size of regular humans nowadays?

Well, they're not dwarfs but evolved humans who are squat - which just means that they're packed tighter, denser, shorter and stockier. They just have to be 'shorter' than baseline humans, not comically so.

Not being called Dwarfs doesn't change that they're meant to be sci-fi Dwarfs.

The Votann seem to be a bit taller than Squats themselves from what I'm seeing

Perfect thanks a lot for that Mentlegen

Ok I think thats fine, I'd be comfortable using the Necromunda Squats alongside the Votann boys as long as they are in different squads. I think the Necro ones look like they are in a kind of pressure suit, as a way of explaining the extra bulk

Yeah the Squats look like they are in regular boots and clothes in their lower body whilst the Votan look like they are in high powered super armour. So a little height difference isn't too glaring. Also some of those are on "tactical rocks" which makes them appear taller

Great I think the Votann look perfectly fine alonside the bulkier Necromunda ones.
Scale is fine.

Combat Patrol content seems good for players that want to bulk the Army box or just want to buy multiple combat patrols to kickstart an army.
I will rather go for the missing units myself.

So space "dwarves" are human sized.

6 feet, not all bearded, nothing really dwarven on them. Good for random new xenos faction but as for being squats they just use name for marketing purpose. Sells better calling them squats.

I wouldn't say "nothing" really, they still have some nordic aesthetic in places.

Wonder if the new Cadians will end up taller.

Not sure if the picture with the Ultramarine is helping. It looks like the Guardsman's legs are bent while the Squat is mostly straight. Might just be the picture as I haven't seen the Death Korps models in person yet, but even if the new Squats are too tall, I don't think it's quite as bad as that picture makes it out.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Wonder if the new Cadians will end up taller.

They shouldn't be noticeably taller. The Cadian's height was one of their big problems from the start. They'd be slimmer and better proportioned like the Traitor Guardsmen, though.

tneva82 wrote:
So space "dwarves" are human sized.

6 feet, not all bearded, nothing really dwarven on them. Good for random new xenos faction but as for being squats they just use name for marketing purpose. Sells better calling them squats.

Apart from the scale creep that the new DKoK kit is not part of (because it is likely 5yrs old and anyway intentionally designed to scale to the 15yrs old Forge World models), notice that the IG soldier is standing in slightly flexed knees and the Squat is mid run, so likely as elongated as it gets.

Assuming that a human is 6' tall, that puts him at around 5', or one head shorter. Yes, that is not DnD dwarfs 4', but also consider that ratlings/halflings exist and they are already in the 4' scale with their models.

So with all that considered, I think they found a good scale slot. You are of course entitled to your own opinion.

 GiToRaZor wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So space "dwarves" are human sized.

6 feet, not all bearded, nothing really dwarven on them. Good for random new xenos faction but as for being squats they just use name for marketing purpose. Sells better calling them squats.

Apart from the scale creep that the new DKoK kit is not part of (because it is likely 5yrs old and anyway intentionally designed to scale to the 15yrs old Forge World models), notice that the IG soldier is standing in slightly flexed knees and the Squat is mid run, so likely as elongated as it gets.

Assuming that a human is 6' tall, that puts him at around 5', or one head shorter. Yes, that is not DnD dwarfs 4', but also consider that ratlings/halflings exist and they are already in the 4' scale with their models.

So with all that considered, I think they found a good scale slot. You are of course entitled to your own opinion.

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

So anyone with 28mm bases.

The base of the base is 28mm correct? but what is the size of the top of the base?

Starting planing and prepping the bases and unfortunately I dont have one of that size.

Yes, the bottom of the base is 28mm in diameter. The top is about 25.5mm. I can't measure fractions of a millimeter very well.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

 Crimson wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

GW themselves have said that the Leagues are meant to be 4' tall.

Then they messed up the scaling or the Kriegers are less than five feet tall and Primaris Marines less than six.

Or different poses and levels of armour can make a noticable difference. None of those miniatures in that Krieg/HearthKyn/Primaris photo are standing straight.