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Houston, TX

I am working on my Deathwing army and painting bone is a .... I read on How to Paint Citadel Miniatures that if a color lacks opacity, I can do a first coat with that same color + some white. This will provide a good coverage for the second layer of the color I want.

So far, trying this out seems to work quite well:
Black Undercoat
1st layer: white + bleached bone 1:1
2nd layer: bleached bone

The result is as good as 5 layers of bleached bone.

Do you have any recommendation for something else to try to increase the opacity? I watched a youtube video which says that acrylic paint + white gesso will also work.
   
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





UK

Foundation paints work really well, I think for painting under a bone finish you'd want Dheneb Stone, one coat can pretty much cover black and save you from doing multiple layers of bone to get a good cover, then continue paintjob as normal

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Kelne



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Riming with pale grey spray works well, some even use white.
   
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I use an undercoat of an effect paint, then glaze overtop with the color I want that part to use. This wouldnt work with white since I haven't seen a transparent white shade yet, but it might be out there.

for example: grey knights get their gunmetal, mithril, ect. then transparent blue and other colors go onto the various parts on the metallic areas, this lets me maintain the metallic and shading without screwing around with tons of coats of paint.

It works with water effects and such too to get some really funky looking effects.

My first thought in your paint scheme would be to start with a white primer or undercoat in a light grey, going white overtop of black is a pain in the butt.

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Cambridge, UK

Undercoating you models in white or grey definitely not black if you looking for a bone finish

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Houston, TX

I have tried Dheneb Stone on white it works ok. I think I need to re-prime these models white. :(
   
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UK

Priming in black for bone models is making your life much harder than it needs to be! Get some white primer
   
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Houston, TX

Aside from GW White Primer, any recommendation on another (perhaps cheaper) white primer to use?
   
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Pa, USA

+5 to Krylon (love the stuff, can you tell?)

Don't grab the primer-paint combo can, it's a bit thicker and if you're not used to it, can cause you trouble. Get the plain Krylon primer in the color you prefer (this case: white).

+2 to Rustoleum (bit pricier than Krylon, but still less than GW)

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Houston, TX

Can I have an image of the white can that way I won't miss it when I go to Walmart?
   
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Pa, USA

Yo...




Why is it that only those who have never fought in a battle are so eager to be in one? 
   
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Houston, TX

Sweet. Saving it to phone so I know what to look for now. Thanks.
   
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for bone just undercoat white, was sepia and then add bleach bone...easy

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Houston, TX

Isn't sepia wash a Vallejo color? What is the equivalent for GW wash?
   
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uk

GW equivalent is Gryphonne sepia and works excellently on bone and gold for adding warmth or age
when mixed 1:1 with badab black wash makes a great dirty shader for white cloaks etc at least i think so anyway

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Manila, Philippines

Yeah, I primed my models black. If you would look at my gallery my custom chapter is predominantly white.


I spend at least five hours to get that white right. And I'm still not done with painting everything, despite being a full-time painter.

Get some grey or white primer.


 
   
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You're quite welcome

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leohart wrote:Can I have an image of the white can that way I won't miss it when I go to Walmart?
[furtive whisper]Psst! Hey, buddy! If you're painting plastic, you don't really need a true primer, especially if you plan to varnish later. Since you're heading to Walmart, you can pick up a can of ColorPlace white spray paint for a buck. It's every bit as good as the GW stuff, since those sprays aren't really primers, either. Just don't tell the Primer Police - some folks are downright militant about this stuff.[/furtive whisper]

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oadie wrote:
leohart wrote:Can I have an image of the white can that way I won't miss it when I go to Walmart?
[furtive whisper]Psst! Hey, buddy! If you're painting plastic, you don't really need a true primer, especially if you plan to varnish later. Since you're heading to Walmart, you can pick up a can of ColorPlace white spray paint for a buck. It's every bit as good as the GW stuff, since those sprays aren't really primers, either. Just don't tell the Primer Police - some folks are downright militant about this stuff.[/furtive whisper]


I will bite...

Paint is not the same as primer....maybe it is my years of automotive painting, but priming a surface is a part of a quality paint job, paint does not equal primer, and primer does not equal paint...Maybe you have achieved some acceptable results using paint as a primer, but I much prefer properly primed surface over a painted surface.

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I will bite...

Paint is not the same as primer....maybe it is my years of automotive painting, but priming a surface is a part of a quality paint job, paint does not equal primer, and primer does not equal paint...Maybe you have achieved some acceptable results using paint as a primer, but I much prefer properly primed surface over a painted surface.

Ashton


+1.

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Paint still needs help adhering to plastics. Not nearly as badly as metals, but it still needs it.

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Kelne



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fenrir1997 wrote:


I will bite...

Paint is not the same as primer....maybe it is my years of automotive painting, but priming a surface is a part of a quality paint job, paint does not equal primer, and primer does not equal paint...Maybe you have achieved some acceptable results using paint as a primer, but I much prefer properly primed surface over a painted surface.

Ashton


+1.

<--- Has rabies.

Paint still needs help adhering to plastics. Not nearly as badly as metals, but it still needs it.


It still does adhere, but primer is advised. I mean if you want to go cheap then go right ahead if you are doing plastic minis, but for metal it is a big nono. I have to say primer does increase quality by a small amount as well as being protective on metals. But all I am saying is that I have unprimed plastics and they are fine. They look a tiny bit ropier than the primed plastics and metals, but they don't chip. As for unprimed metals the fact that they chip is from second hand knowledge anyway. But I'm not going to take the risk.

I always varnish, but that is just me. It is just a very good idea.
   
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You can paint up a nice bone over black no problem, but you are going to need to base the bone areas with a foundation to prevent going insane with 10 layers of bleached bone.

Put down a coat of Dheneb stone and then give it a wash with sepia, or a sepia/mud mix if you want it darker, then highlight it with bleached bone, and a final bleached bone/skull white layer. Very easy, very quick, and gives nice bone colour over black.


   
 
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