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What is the best Assaulty Army in 40k? I would say GK or Daemons, but what about you?

Woo. Tau are the best in hand to hand. Cuz they have giant mecha robot suits. Woo.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Woo. Tau are the best in hand to hand. Cuz they have giant mecha robot suits. Woo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ah good one

Guard.
Ogryns can and will crush avatars and land raiders alike.

Daemons all the way

Grey Knights for real. Rad nades, psychotroke nades, the cleansing flame thiny. 2 wound termies. So much assualty pack into a codex.

Grey Knights. MEQ's with access to obnoxious toys like psycho & rad grenades, winning flame, super cheap I6 upgrades, wound allocation palladin deathstars, hammerhand and the list goes on...
An assaulty GK list will have the upper hand against any opposition simply because, the codex has answers for anything & everything your opponent can throw at you.


Daemons are nowhere near the game's best assaulty army because;
a) you *must* deep strike in, hence your 'uber assaulters get to sit around and get shot before they can act.
b) 5th ed's 'uber mech enviroment has killed the really scary units like 'crushers & 'letters. Daemons are forced to spam small squads of horrors to get enough bolts onto the table to deal with all the cheap vehicles every army seems to love.
c) Slaanesh has no power weapon and only slaanesh units, flesh hounds & princes are 'good' assaulters (due to faster movement/charge).

Daemons look scary on paper, but overall you can pretty much guess any competitive daemon will feature, fateweaver + min sized horror squads + fiends + 2-3 princes. Maybe a unit of wound allocation 'crushers, but they're just so damn slow!

I say orks.........With a BS of 2, it's hard NOT to assault everything in sight...

In fluff it's probably the Tyranids or Orks, in gameplay Blood Angels/SW/MEQ

Experiment 626 wrote:Grey Knights. MEQ's with access to obnoxious toys like psycho & rad grenades, winning flame, super cheap I6 upgrades, wound allocation palladin deathstars, hammerhand and the list goes on...
An assaulty GK list will have the upper hand against any opposition simply because, the codex has answers for anything & everything your opponent can throw at you.


Daemons are nowhere near the game's best assaulty army because;
a) you *must* deep strike in, hence your 'uber assaulters get to sit around and get shot before they can act.
b) 5th ed's 'uber mech enviroment has killed the really scary units like 'crushers & 'letters. Daemons are forced to spam small squads of horrors to get enough bolts onto the table to deal with all the cheap vehicles every army seems to love.
c) Slaanesh has no power weapon and only slaanesh units, flesh hounds & princes are 'good' assaulters (due to faster movement/charge).

Daemons look scary on paper, but overall you can pretty much guess any competitive daemon will feature, fateweaver + min sized horror squads + fiends + 2-3 princes. Maybe a unit of wound allocation 'crushers, but they're just so damn slow!

You forgot assault grenades for termies. No other termies have that when assaulting into cover.

bombboy1252 wrote:I say orks.........With a BS of 2, it's hard NOT to assault everything in sight...

Y'know, he's on to something....

As I'm a 'Cron player, my army shoots everything in sight. The one army I have trouble against is a Khorne based CSM list.

You think tyranids would be best since that's what they depend on to win.

Yeah, but alot of armies are also assault dependant and they have writers that don't suck

Orks. My little brother destroys me in assault with the black reach orks I have.

I can see Orks doing well, but won't LRs and Termies do well against the Black Reach orks

BT. Its hard to contend with 14 LRC's each with 15 marines that run TOWARDS you. Plus the Marines have re-rolls, Assault Terminators with FC/TH

Can't BA take more land raiders? And is there any way at all to use 14 outside of apocalypse?

Dark Eldar, hands down. Wyches outperform any other unit in melee, point for point; a soultrap/huskblade archon butchers the nastiest Tyranid MCs; incubi cut through MEQ like so much paper; the archon court can lay down dozens of S5 attacks each round of assault; everything either starts with or can easily gain FnP and FC...

i dont really know, excluding the marine varients (because i havent really played agaisnt any) id go for Dark elder or nids o.o, i dont really have many problems keeping vanillia marines and orks away from my front lines o.o

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Dark Eldar, hands down. Wyches outperform any other unit in melee, point for point; a soultrap/huskblade archon butchers the nastiest Tyranid MCs; incubi cut through MEQ like so much paper; the archon court can lay down dozens of S5 attacks each round of assault; everything either starts with or can easily gain FnP and FC...

My paladins and twc say otherwise.

Yeah, paladins and their "STOP, Hammer Time!" power are possibly the best assault troops in the game

Space Wolves are up there. I wouldn't call them the best but they can crank out a whackload of attacks on the charge. What stops them from being #1 in Assault is Long Fangs. They're so damn good it's hard to take Land Raiders over them.

I voted GK on their ability to fight everything well. Flame for hordes, force weapons for MCs, brain mines for badass ICs, great nade spam.

Who voted for Tau??!!

The Crusader wrote:Who voted for Tau??!!

I would think those looking for this exact response.

Brain mines seem good, but a little underwhelming to me. They get an I test, so those usually aren't hard to pass, with them having 4+ generally

i said grey knights

a 100pts strike squad can realistically kill a squad of carnifexes without taking a wound

best anti tank assult guy ever is the dread knight

give it 2 hammers and the teleporty thingy and you are looking at a ton of str 10 2 D6 amour pens that auto hit

100 pt GKSS is not taking out a squad of carnifexes:
11 Attacks on the charge. 2/3 Hit (22/3). 1/6 Wound. (22/18 wounds). So a little over 1 wound on Carnifexes. You then need to pass your Ld9 Psy test and hope there's no Shadows around. Hyperbole.

give it 2 hammers and the teleporty thingy and you are looking at a ton of str 10 2 D6 amour pens that auto hit

why would it auto hit? If the tank moved the turn before you'd still need to roll to hit I thought. 4+ for combat speed 6+ for faster. On alot of the rear armor AV 10, you auto pen though even on a roll of 1. + 1 for D6 MC at minimum, you'd auto pen AV 11 rear armor. (very high chance to pen just about anything else really too)

With Thunder hammer, you automatically get crew shaken too.

With a mix of halberds and hammers you could probably take out a squad