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Blood Angels or Grey Knights.


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The Crusader wrote:Who voted for Tau??!!

Brother Coa wrote:

The Crusader wrote:Who voted for Tau??!!

Spoiler:

Tau Fans

Don't be silly, those are just legends

...Tau have more than chaos marines...

GK by a mile: Purifiers are an idiotproof win button.

Hoardes? Cleansing flame.
Multiwound models? Force weapons.
High Initiative models? Halberds.
Tough models? Hammerhand.


That's before you factor in the grenades.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:GK by a mile: Purifiers are an idiotproof win button.

Hoardes? Cleansing flame.
Multiwound models? Force weapons.
High Initiative models? Halberds.
Tough models? Hammerhand.


That's before you factor in the grenades.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.

im2randomghgh wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:GK by a mile: Purifiers are an idiotproof win button.

Hoardes? Cleansing flame.
Multiwound models? Force weapons.
High Initiative models? Halberds.
Tough models? Hammerhand.


That's before you factor in the grenades.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaand...Cleansing Flame.

DK are terrible and not even close to the best anti tank lol

im2randomghgh wrote:
Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.

Blood Angels - they have Assault Marines instead of Tacticals.
That's a lot of Assault Marines...

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.

Blood Angels - they have Assault Marines instead of Tacticals.
That's a lot of Assault Marines...

One Assault marine equals 3 ork boyz, there are going to be more orkz than marines no doubt and orks hit harder than marines

TheAngrySquig wrote:Brain mines seem good, but a little underwhelming to me. They get an I test, so those usually aren't hard to pass, with them having 4+ generally

Read up on Psyk-out grenades(reduce a psyker to i1). Granted it's situational, but the Psyk-out-Brain Mine combo was one of the nastiest nullifications I've ever seen to Mephiston's 250 points.


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TheAngrySquig wrote:Can't BA take more land raiders? And is there any way at all to use 14 outside of apocalypse?

They tie under core rules. BA can't take HS LRs, and BT can't take FA LRs, they can each fill out the rest of the FOC with LRs.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:GK by a mile: Purifiers are an idiotproof win button.

Hoardes? Cleansing flame.
Multiwound models? Force weapons.
High Initiative models? Halberds.
Tough models? Hammerhand.


That's before you factor in the grenades.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaand...Cleansing Flame.

...Will do nothing to even the battle.

If the person thinks purifiers are instant win theyre on something.. They're glass canons. Purifiers are better for shooting and pickin weakened squads to assault. Paladins are better even if charged by other things with psy out grenades then purifiers. To really decide who is the best you have to describe the scenario in which theyre the best, best for their value, etc. Youre instant win buttons without a hammer cant even kill a basic dread let alone a furioso.

Draigo wrote:If the person thinks purifiers are instant win theyre on something.. They're glass canons. Purifiers are better for shooting and pickin weakened squads to assault. Paladins are better even if charged by other things with psy out grenades then purifiers. To really decide who is the best you have to describe the scenario in which theyre the best, best for their value, etc. Youre instant win buttons without a hammer cant even kill a basic dread let alone a furioso.

Purifiers, or any space marines, are not glass cannons. If your comparison is a fraking walker then I'd hate to see what you consider a tough unit.

I'm just going to be biased and say BLACK TEMPLARS!

@ Draigo- Whaaaaa? How are you comparing purifiers to furiosos? Next up: GK terminators suck because they can't Id Nurgle bikers or perhaps trygons can go shove it because they can die to high st low ap guns.


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And wow, sorry for the rant, 2:00 in the morning and I just got in from a taco bell run, not the best combo for my civility

I think we can all agree blood talons are the shizzle and that blendernaught is at least one of the best CC units in the game.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
GK by a mile: Purifiers are an idiotproof win button.

Hoardes? Cleansing flame.
Multiwound models? Force weapons.
High Initiative models? Halberds.
Tough models? Hammerhand.


That's before you factor in the grenades.


Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Ork Boyz.

Just three of these guys, cost equivalent to a normal marine, can attack 12 times on the charge. Even more for the more expensive GK. Imagine a mob of 100. They actually have those with a formation in IA.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaand...Cleansing Flame.


...Will do nothing to even the battle.

Ok, so lets say we have one purifier (you shot the hell out of his squad before you charged), who makes his psychic test, against 100 orks. Thats ~50 dead orks.

More realistically, you have 5 purifiers up against 20 Boyz (your mob got shot up moving downfield). Orks just busted up the purifier's rhino. Purifiers charge, 7 orks down due to flame, purifiers attack w/ 3 attacks per. 5 more orks die. 7 orks attack (in fact, lets say they get their charge attacks as well) 4 attacks per. 2 Purifiers down (bad saves). Nob attacks, 2 Purifiers down. Orks lose combat by 8. They run, get run down.

If they had 11 Boyz left (magic!) they would take ~6 fearless wounds. Next round of combat its 1 Nob, 4 Boyz vs 1 Purifier. Purifier takes 2 down w/ flame. 1 w/ his attacks. Nob cleans up. Orks cheat, but win.

You still spend 155p to kill 120.

Yea the math was a bit hokey, but you get the point. Purifiers destroy orks point for point. The more orks you add, the less efficient they are against flame.

But that's in vacuum, with one pitted directly against another. Not representative of whose actually better on the battlefield. 20 wounds vs 5 wounds is always a consideration one would have to make.

Blood Angels.

The fact that I've destroyed a full Ork Boyz mob with Blood Talons makes it awesome. Plus LR as Dedicated Transport, Assault Squads as Troops, being able to field 11 Dreadnoughts in a list and DC will prove me right.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Blood Angels.

The fact that I've destroyed a full Ork Boyz mob with Blood Talons makes it awesome. Plus LR as Dedicated Transport, Assault Squads as Troops, being able to field 11 Dreadnoughts in a list and DC will prove me right.

how you get 11? Thought max was 6?

3 Furioso Dreadnoughts (Elites), 5 Death Company Dreadnoughts(Troops) and 3 Regular HS Dreadnoughts.

Seeee my point purifiers arent as good as furioso at assaulting hence why purifiers arent insta win in cc. You all proved my point to the thread.

Yeah, but Furiosos are also cc oriented dreadnoughts so I would say yes they are better then the infantry unit

Viersche wrote:I'm just going to be biased and say BLACK TEMPLARS!

I love my Templars, so much more than my GK army, but they would slaughter us a close range/assault setup.

Depends on if you are looking at HQ's, Troops, Elites or the whole dex.

CSM, SW, BA, Nids and Orks are all EXTREMELY assaultly. While GK can be, their numbers largely hinder their ability to own in this category.

I'd say a Logan deathstar, Abaddon deathstar, or Ghaz deathstar wins.

Oh... and orks can field 11 walkers too...

Yeah, but the walkers are generally worse, so BA win the walker catagory

TheAngrySquig wrote:Yeah, but the walkers are generally worse, so BA win the walker catagory

Quantity>Quality

With that much of their army immune to small arms, their 1500pt army is going to be fighting about 1000pts of yours.

Blood Angels, because Furioso Dreadnaught, Assult Marines and Death Company

I'd like to say Dark Eldar, with their lightning-fast destructive ability, but I think Daemons can (and will) surpass them. I have no experience with GK, however, but I believe that seeing as they are primed to defeat Daemons they would probably come out on top. So, in other words:

#1 = Grey Knights
#2 = Chaos Daemons
#3 = Dark Eldar

Although I haven't had enough experience with these armies to back up my theory.

I'd stick behind Nids probably being the best assault units by miles. You can tailor a nid assault army for any occasion.

I'd also say not to underestimate daemons. Get a Bloodthirster with some crushers running around. Whilst if we're just talking about units.. Drago from GK's plus paladins has to win.. maybe abaddon+Kharn/typhus+terminators would be a close second.

Trondheim wrote:Blood Angels, because Furioso Dreadnaught, Assult Marines and Death Company

This man is our Messiah!