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It looks orkish, might look better when its carrying a dread at the back. I would like to think this is a mockup, i will ask.

AlexHolker wrote:

Ouroborus wrote:Yeah but they're not designing it to be effective in reality.

I'm not expecting their visual design team to have done an Aerospace Engineering course, but I at least expect their ideas to stand up to five seconds of scrutiny.

Dear armchair engineers:
Maybe GW realized that wings on jets and space shuttles are not as large as in doubledecker times because the wings are more for stabilizing and steereing, less for uplift:



The Space Shuttle can even glide with these tiny wings:



Maybe GW realized that if dropped from orbit, large wings are a bad thing while entering the atmosphere.

In an army, where the main battle tank fields a main gun with ammo that doesn't even fit into the turret and Space marines with impossible armour and proportions, having a "heroic scale" transport is the least of problems. And, as all people who have actually seen the model say, it looks better than on the pic.

Kroothawk wrote:
Dear armchair engineers:


Maybe GW realized that if dropped from orbit, large wings are a bad thing while entering the atmosphere.

In an army, where the main battle tank fields a main gun with ammo that doesn't even fit into the turret and Space marines with impossible armour and proportions, having a "heroic scale" transport is the least of problems. And, as all people who have actually seen the model say, it looks better than on the pic.

Too bad both pics show vehicles with some sort of balance

The leaked SR may be not as bad as a real kit, but its unlikely the pic is so badly taken for a company used to show their stuff with pics before showing the sprues.
And its a matter of taste too, so maybe those who saw the SR like it chibi-style?

I'm betting the Stormraven will look better balanced with a Dreadnought being carried, but I doubt that's enough to save it.

Kroothawk wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:I'm not expecting their visual design team to have done an Aerospace Engineering course, but I at least expect their ideas to stand up to five seconds of scrutiny.

Dear armchair engineers:
Maybe GW realized that wings on jets and space shuttles are not as large as in doubledecker times because the wings are more for stabilizing and steereing, less for uplift:

Actually, if you'd been paying attention, it's the placement of the wings and engines I have an issue with, not their size.

If you look at the F-104, you'll recognise that the lift from the wings and the thrust from the engines both exert themselves along a vector that at least passes close to the plane's centre of mass. It is not like the Stormraven, where the thrust from the engines acts above the centre of mass, the VTOL nozzles act behind the centre of mass, the lift of the wings act behind the centre of mass and the drag from the deep hull acts beneath the centre of mass when flying forwards and the drag from the wings act behind the centre of mass when flying downwards, all producing moments in the same direction: all pushing the tail up and nose down.

... if there wasn't a multi ton Cybot hooked to the tail, yes.
The Stealth fighter is also totally imbalanced, but computers take care of that. And machine spirits and AdMech rituals can do similar things, like getting functioning battleship cannons into a tank or making a Cybot actually walk!
Talking about wrong proportions and illogical equipment in a Space Marine army is futile in a world where hands are as big as heads and magic and anti-grav vehicles widespread.

@Stealth Fighters
Nope, even the SFs are aerodynamically balanced in some way. It is an urban myth that only the computer makes them fly. What the computer does is controlling the flaps, wings. etc. in the right combination and thus lets the pilot concentrate more on the mission. Also the american SF are not the best examples for a good design. German flying wings from WWII were better than american flying wings that were constructed years later. Somehow american engineers have the tendency to solve a problem by throwing every technical solution including the kitchen sink at a problem. Russians are much more pragmatic, also German engineers that are somwhere in between. The B-2, as cool as it may look like, is a stupid solution (e.g. stealth color that reacts when coming into contact with water, etc.) to a problem that already was obsolete when the design process started. The F-117 and Cruise Missiles do the job much better at only a fraction of the cost of a B-2.

@Stormdodo
Even a Cybot would not keep this thing from being unbalanced. All flyer designs up until now had some aeronautical plausibility, even the drop-pods. But this is just hilarious.

It's painted red.

You KNOW that it's going to fly.

My suspension of disbelief alone will keep it in the air. But it's the goofy look that will make it crater, for me.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm betting the Stormraven will look better balanced with a Dreadnought being carried, but I doubt that's enough to save it.

I'd be willing to bet you can't actually put a dread behind it. The scale will be wrong, or it wont fit due to different weapon options because they are all different sizes. And heaven forbid you have a banner or something on the top. At the very least everyone will have a good laugh at the chunk of ground (dread base) that is somehow attached to the dangling dreads feet.

And even if it does somehow actually fit a dread back there, how long is that dread going to be there? Turn 1, maybe turn 2. Now you have dropped off the dread and have to play the next 2 hours staring at that ugly unbalanced angry goldfish.

There's a cheapo dread in the black reach set, just convert that.

May not be beautiful but it will make for some great painting and free hand.

It's hindquarters & placement of the wings look quite odd from this viewpoint, and as some have already said extremely unbalanced.

It also looks kitbashed and real at the same time. The setting and background make me think it is a real GW picture though.

I'll need to see more pictures first to know if I like it.

the parts are unique and the scenery it is on is the same as the board on the back page of WD Dark eldar, so i think it aint fake, cant wait to turn it into somethink for my army or add a land raider to it and call it a thunderhawk

I think this may be the real deal, the scenery has been used in numerous white dwarf articles. I quite like the Stormraven and although having a Black Templars army will in all likelihood get one, for using in Apoc games. Look forward to seeing more pics.

Anyway, I'm still hoping that some better pics will salvage this thing for me.

If not, well, that's some money 'saved' then!

Alpharius wrote:

Anyway, I'm still hoping that some better pics will salvage this thing for me.

If not, well, that's some money 'saved' then!

I have one of those XD. It can fit a rhino... or 15 marines. or 2 dreads.
Omg I just thought of something I can use that as my Storm Raven!

Awww it so cute.
But seriously its fake if i had the time and or patience i could so find out where all the parts came from but i don't so i wont but i wish they would produce that one just so i could pet it(and occasionally field it)

Well, there is also the FW Caestus:



Or models of the Starship Trooper Dropship:

Kroothawk wrote:Well, there is also the FW Caestus:



Or models of the Starship Trooper Dropship:

The Storm bird from the Thunderbirds is really really cool
But i like the STarship troopers thing and the Avatar one.

Kroothawk wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Ouroborus wrote:Yeah but they're not designing it to be effective in reality.

I'm not expecting their visual design team to have done an Aerospace Engineering course, but I at least expect their ideas to stand up to five seconds of scrutiny.

Dear armchair engineers:
Maybe GW realized that wings on jets and space shuttles are not as large as in doubledecker times because the wings are more for stabilizing and steereing, less for uplift:



The Space Shuttle can even glide with these tiny wings:



Maybe GW realized that if dropped from orbit, large wings are a bad thing while entering the atmosphere.

In an army, where the main battle tank fields a main gun with ammo that doesn't even fit into the turret and Space marines with impossible armour and proportions, having a "heroic scale" transport is the least of problems. And, as all people who have actually seen the model say, it looks better than on the pic.

None of those designs have anything to do with the stormraven, which doesn't even use it's wings to achieve lift or stabilise itself (something they couldn't do given their shape). The wings are just missile mounts, the tail serves no visible purpose at all. It uses it's goofy little wing jets to stay aloft, just like the valkyrie. The placement of the wings would cause it to tumble foreward in an actual effort at either stable falls or sustained lift, which I think is the issue most people take with it.

I'm fairly convinced that the the thing sticking out in the area in the red square is a forward thruster. Unfortunately, there is a pair of Marines in the way. If this true, however, the placement of the thruster could feasibly provide stabilization.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Which brings to mind the question of why this small scale tabletop wargame has aircraft.

Because GW know that they can make more money by having cool looking machines hovering over the table.
First they sell more stuff to cover the table with. Then when people get sick of not being able to get their troops from A-B quickly because of the terrain features they start selling models that can simply fly over the top of everything or be dropped into place.
The next thing will be to sell small sets of anti-aircraft weapons


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MajorTom11 wrote:
Where have you been lol??

Much better!

Burn it.

That's a really odd looking machine. I've been a bit confused by the Stormraven concept as I cant see what its use is within the game. I mean we have plenty of transport options on tracks aswel as teleporting and deepstrike. Maybe this is an Apocolypse scale thing. Perhaps it will bed in more if the BL authors bed it into the fluff more.

One thing that I find interesting is that this ought to become an iconic model like the Rhino and Land Raider. I can't see it myself.

Commander Endova wrote:
I'm fairly convinced that the the thing sticking out in the area in the red square is a forward thruster. Unfortunately, there is a pair of Marines in the way. If this true, however, the placement of the thruster could feasibly provide stabilization.

Good catch!

I hope you're right, as it would go a ways towards 'saving' the model...

Commander Endova wrote:

I'm fairly convinced that the the thing sticking out in the area in the red square is a forward thruster. Unfortunately, there is a pair of Marines in the way. If this true, however, the placement of the thruster could feasibly provide stabilization.

Ya, I agree. I got the same impression from the boxy thing thats slightly above it, protuding from the rear of the transport room section. The ones you observe may (hopefully) be thrusters to push up, the ones behind them at the angle to push out and the main engines on the wings to truly accelerate. Total arm chair engineering on my part, and may not even be what we think they are, but good enough for me. I personally don't need too much real science in my Science Fiction.

For all the negative talke about this model, I guarantee the next iterations of the many space marine codexes* will have this vehicle as a standard option, ala the once limited Land Raider Crusader of the Black Templars. When that happens, over time the Stormraven will probably outnumber Rhinos and Razorbacks combined.

* I could even see them putting the rules for the Stormraven on their Website, and allowing it for all Marine Codexes, to drum up sales. Would make perfect sense to get it out there to as many folks as possible, rather then just 2 divergent Marine armies.

When that happens, over time the Stormraven will probably outnumber Rhinos and Razorbacks combined.

I doubt it, they kinda suck for their point cost.

foor301 wrote:Awww it so cute.
But seriously its fake if i had the time and or patience i could so find out where all the parts came from but i don't so i wont but i wish they would produce that one just so i could pet it(and occasionally field it)

It's Hideous, but im betting it's real. Also i seriously doubt your skills foor301.

When that happens, over time the Stormraven will probably outnumber Rhinos and Razorbacks combined.

You must not play a lot of 40K.