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 d-usa wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Thats gotta be awkward. Im so glad I dont have to deal with that...

Yeah, I mean he would've passed his background check if he bought at a store so it's not like the seller did anything wrong but still, that's a terrible feeling.

Yeah, nothing bad on the sellers part.

Somewhat related, one of my firearms instructors has a pretty solid policy for private sales of any of his guns. He just draws up a little paper with the serial number and other information that he and the seller both sign, and he makes a copy of their drivers license, and then keeps them together in a lock box. Just so that in case the gun ever ends up being used in a crime and somebody knocks on his door he can go to his box and say "I sold it on this day to this person, here is their info, have a good day".

Seems like a good idea. Almost a kind of "register" keeping track of which of his guns have been sold and to whom

Sure, it's just not in a centrally administered government database and would require a warrant to obtain such information.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Thats gotta be awkward. Im so glad I dont have to deal with that...

Yeah, I mean he would've passed his background check if he bought at a store so it's not like the seller did anything wrong but still, that's a terrible feeling.

Yeah, nothing bad on the sellers part.

Somewhat related, one of my firearms instructors has a pretty solid policy for private sales of any of his guns. He just draws up a little paper with the serial number and other information that he and the seller both sign, and he makes a copy of their drivers license, and then keeps them together in a lock box. Just so that in case the gun ever ends up being used in a crime and somebody knocks on his door he can go to his box and say "I sold it on this day to this person, here is their info, have a good day".

Seems like a good idea. Almost a kind of "register" keeping track of which of his guns have been sold and to whom

One never accessed by the Feds or any other gov't agency unless he chooses to share the info with them. I'm sure you'll recognize the difference between what he is doing and a mandatory Federal registry of all guns/owners.

Anyone covered the fact that Former Miss Alabama called the gunman a Martyr? or that a Psychist tried to justify that by making a comparison to a elementary school bully getting punched in the face. (Cops are the bully, the person punching the bully is the dallas sniper)

Saw a report that the perp did not have a ton of bomb making materials, he had tannerite and some acetone. Seeing as he trained up doing 'combat shooting courses' the tannerite could very well have been training/target materials.

Fox link to an AP story: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/16/officials-say-dallas-police-gunman-had-no-large-stockpile-bomb-materials.html

I know how some detest Fox, but it IS an AP story.

SemperMortis wrote:
Anyone covered the fact that Former Miss Alabama called the gunman a Martyr? or that a Psychist tried to justify that by making a comparison to a elementary school bully getting punched in the face. (Cops are the bully, the person punching the bully is the dallas sniper)

Freedom of speech, if you want to call yourself an American deal with it.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Thats gotta be awkward. Im so glad I dont have to deal with that...

Yeah, I mean he would've passed his background check if he bought at a store so it's not like the seller did anything wrong but still, that's a terrible feeling.

Yeah, nothing bad on the sellers part.

Somewhat related, one of my firearms instructors has a pretty solid policy for private sales of any of his guns. He just draws up a little paper with the serial number and other information that he and the seller both sign, and he makes a copy of their drivers license, and then keeps them together in a lock box. Just so that in case the gun ever ends up being used in a crime and somebody knocks on his door he can go to his box and say "I sold it on this day to this person, here is their info, have a good day".

Seems like a good idea. Almost a kind of "register" keeping track of which of his guns have been sold and to whom

problem with that is its after the fact that such a list would even crop up and to be honest they don't care really unless illegal, but meanwhile if the government wanted to remove all weapons from everyone such a list would be useful.

 BigWaaagh wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Anyone covered the fact that Former Miss Alabama called the gunman a Martyr? or that a Psychologist tried to justify that by making a comparison to a elementary school bully getting punched in the face. (Cops are the bully, the person punching the bully is the dallas sniper)

Freedom of speech, if you want to call yourself an American deal with it.

Never said they weren't entitled to say whatever the hell they want, but it does show how this has become a significant problem based on race. The new Harvard study shows how police forces handle deadly shootings and it paints a completely different picture then the one that BLM wants everyone to believe in.

The fact that a Psychologist and a Miss Alabama both come out with ridiculous statements just shows how damaging false information can be.

We going down the stupid lane? Seems like two already went down that road.

SemperMortis wrote:
The new Harvard study shows how police forces handle deadly shootings and it paints a completely different picture then the one that BLM wants everyone to believe in.

Yeah, about that "Harvard study..."

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
The new Harvard study shows how police forces handle deadly shootings and it paints a completely different picture then the one that BLM wants everyone to believe in.

Yeah, about that "Harvard study..."

That thread got locked. Though I think we ran this thread to the end.

SemperMortis wrote:
Anyone covered the fact that Former Miss Alabama called the gunman a Martyr? or that a Psychist tried to justify that by making a comparison to a elementary school bully getting punched in the face. (Cops are the bully, the person punching the bully is the dallas sniper)

So, uh, why exactly does anyone care what the former Miss Alabama had to say on this subject? Does she have some credentials as an expert authority on police violence, or is this only "newsworthy" because the right-wing outrage machine needs to find someone saying stuff to get outraged about?

 Peregrine wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Anyone covered the fact that Former Miss Alabama called the gunman a Martyr? or that a Psychist tried to justify that by making a comparison to a elementary school bully getting punched in the face. (Cops are the bully, the person punching the bully is the dallas sniper)

So, uh, why exactly does anyone care what the former Miss Alabama had to say on this subject? Does she have some credentials as an expert authority on police violence, or is this only "newsworthy" because the right-wing outrage machine needs to find someone saying stuff to get outraged about?

Well if you can pull your left leaning sun glasses off for a minute, it isn't that big of a deal but it does have two implications and problems. 1: She is a relatively influential person because of the Miss Alabama thing, She is using that bit of fame and notoriety to push a terrible opinion forward into the public eye. and 2: The fact that anyone would believe such a narrative and turn the Dallas Shooter into a Martyr makes this BLM movement look more and more like the Palestinian terrorists in Israel. Kill a bunch of innocents and become a Martyr and get fame/notoriety for it.

SemperMortis wrote:
1: She is a relatively influential person because of the Miss Alabama thing, She is using that bit of fame and notoriety to push a terrible opinion forward into the public eye.

Influential relative to who? I don't know about you, but when I think of influential people "former minor local celebrity" is hardly at the top of my list. In fact, I'm fairly certain I never would have known what the opinion of a former Miss Alabama was, or even had the slightest interest in finding out, until you posted here about it.

2: The fact that anyone would believe such a narrative and turn the Dallas Shooter into a Martyr makes this BLM movement look more and more like the Palestinian terrorists in Israel. Kill a bunch of innocents and become a Martyr and get fame/notoriety for it.

No, it really doesn't. What it does is demonstrate that if you look hard enough you can find someone stating pretty much any opinion. And it also demonstrates how the right-wing outrage machine takes the results of the search and turns an obscure person hardly anyone is listening to into a major event. It says nothing about BLM as a whole because, again, this is just some random person stating their opinion.

 Peregrine wrote:

No, it really doesn't. What it does is demonstrate that if you look hard enough you can find someone stating pretty much any opinion.

I wonder how hard I would have to look to find the opinions of people who might think that bringing back lynchings would remind BLM what their proper place in society is.

 d-usa wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

No, it really doesn't. What it does is demonstrate that if you look hard enough you can find someone stating pretty much any opinion.

I wonder how hard I would have to look to find the opinions of people who might think that bringing back lynchings would remind BLM what their proper place in society is.

Not hard.

After the Charleston church shootings last year, my uncle (a retired federal government worker) said the only thing wrong about what Dylann Roof did was that he did it in a church. Or you could ask the guys I work with that say black people are "13% of the population but 98% of the problem" and think that the police should just open fire on BLM protesters because when the Philly police dropped bombs on the MOVE rowhouse in 1985, it "reminded them of what their place is" and you didn't hear about them anymore.

 d-usa wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

No, it really doesn't. What it does is demonstrate that if you look hard enough you can find someone stating pretty much any opinion.

I wonder how hard I would have to look to find the opinions of people who might think that bringing back lynchings would remind BLM what their proper place in society is.

I pulled these off The Trump Party's facebook group this afternoon:



I assume all those same people are now looking at Nice and asking what sort of monster would drive a truck through a crowd of people.


Also - Peregrine! Somewhere you are making Stacey Dash very nervous, tugging at the underpinning of her "celebrity".

Just seen mixed reports of another police shooting at Batonrouge, Louisiana.

Sources are all over the place at the moment so dont have a decent link but 1-3 officers dead, up to 1-7 more injured from varying sources.

 Ouze wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

No, it really doesn't. What it does is demonstrate that if you look hard enough you can find someone stating pretty much any opinion.

I wonder how hard I would have to look to find the opinions of people who might think that bringing back lynchings would remind BLM what their proper place in society is.

I pulled these off The Trump Party's facebook group this afternoon:



I assume all those same people are now looking at Nice and asking what sort of monster would drive a truck through a crowd of people.


Also - Peregrine! Somewhere you are making Stacey Dash very nervous, tugging at the underpinning of her "celebrity".

Exalted for the good laugh it provided

Dropbear Victim wrote:
Just seen mixed reports of another police shooting at Batonrouge, Louisiana.

Sources are all over the place at the moment so dont have a decent link but 1-3 officers dead, up to 1-7 more injured from varying sources.

2 Police Dead, 2 Police wounded, per the mayor.

Local news reporting three officers killed

http://www.wbrz.com/news/officers-shot-in-area-around-brpd-hq-sunday

We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

 Jihadin wrote:
We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

So every time a police officer is shot, it's connected to racial tensions?

Anyways, here's what Dreadclaw's article says on the matter:

That store was the site of an officer-involved shooting that left a black man dead in the early morning hours of July 5. Police said they have yet to establish a motive that connects the shootings to recent protests or the death of Alton Sterling.

There's nothing in the article (or that I've seen yet) identifying the gunmen as anything beyond "wearing black camouflage clothing".

The article also says that he began "shooting indiscriminately" before the Police arrived on scene, where they then engaged in a firefight. Nothing in that indicates to me that the shooter was deliberately targeting Police, he just attacked them when they arrived to arrest him.

Maybe he started shooting to make LEO arrive on scene. Just saying. No casualties before they arrive and "boom" his aimed drastically improved.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

So every time a police officer is shot, it's connected to racial tensions?

That's an impressive strawman you just constructed for yourself.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

So every time a police officer is shot, it's connected to racial tensions?

Anyways, here's what Dreadclaw's article says on the matter:

That store was the site of an officer-involved shooting that left a black man dead in the early morning hours of July 5. Police said they have yet to establish a motive that connects the shootings to recent protests or the death of Alton Sterling.

There's nothing in the article (or that I've seen yet) identifying the gunmen as anything beyond "wearing black camouflage clothing".

Gavin Eugene Long. A black man from Missouri. Lured police to the location, then specifically targeted them. Reported by MSNBC, NBC, and CBS.

 djones520 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

So every time a police officer is shot, it's connected to racial tensions?

Anyways, here's what Dreadclaw's article says on the matter:

That store was the site of an officer-involved shooting that left a black man dead in the early morning hours of July 5. Police said they have yet to establish a motive that connects the shootings to recent protests or the death of Alton Sterling.

There's nothing in the article (or that I've seen yet) identifying the gunmen as anything beyond "wearing black camouflage clothing".

Gavin Eugene Long. A black man from Missouri. Lured police to the location, then specifically targeted them. Reported by MSNBC, NBC, and CBS.

Thank you, djones.

When did that start getting reported?

 Kanluwen wrote:
When did that start getting reported?

About 5:30pm eastern.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
We all knew it was coming. With all the negativity (justified/unjustified) of LEO's

So every time a police officer is shot, it's connected to racial tensions?

A strawman argument? Seriously?

Here's a quote from CBS News.

Last week, police arrested and identified three young people who they say plotted to kill Baton Rouge cops using guns stolen from a pawn shop. Law enforcement said at a conference they believe it to be a substantial and credible threat on police officers in the Baton Rouge area.

I'd say racial tensions shoulder considerable responsibility here.

I just read that the Gunman has been identified as Gavin Long, a USMC veteran who is/was a member of the Islamic nation and has a youtube channel that is....yeah kind of crazy. Also, there is now an active shooter standoff at the home of the shooter.
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http://bluelivesmatter.blue/active-standoff-home-baton-rouge-shooter/