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Hi,
maybe it should be mentioned that apart from all the Vampire stuff (and a Dreadfleet promotion ), there is a small Warhammer supplement (part 1) included in the WD January.

It is about civil war. Each side needs an army taken from the same army book, same point cost, normal rules. Then both sides add 25% without any restrictions except no magic items from the book, not counting for percentages. Then take one of the 6 standard setups (or 3 of them, as the designer Jervis suggests). Then roll on the Civil War chart (have to look at that again, small chart IIRC), then role on a race specific chart with 2D6, giving both sides special rules like e.g. hatred or 3 scouting units.

This WD seems to include all (few) general rules and the first 4 or so army specific charts. Rest in next WD. Sounds like fun for people who like scenarios (and can chose the same army as their opponent).

Personally, I'd like to see a Warbands update for 8th Edition. While most of it works fine, a few things (mostly what armies can take what character choices, unit sizes, and so on) need to be fixed.

EDIT: In regard to the Civil War, any idea what Orcs are supposed to be looking at? I, honestly, can't imagine anything good. Idol of Gork / Mork in the Rulebook was a bit of a letdown compared to other army-related Structures.

Army lists are Ogre Kingdom, Vampires, Lizardmen and some Chaos (Warriors or Daemons), so no Orcs yet IIRC.

Hmm... as a fantasy player, I find it hard to be excited for this. Rules that I can use against someone with the same army as mine? Doesn't sound that entertaining, or needed...

This is more for campaign play I think. At my store, its going to be included for the Blood in the Badlands campaign. Is it needed? No but if you have multiple orc or WoC players, then those games arent very entertaining when its same on same. So this will make a difference in standard or campaign games IMO.

It's not a bad idea for campaign play actually, as you tend to end up with a few people all playing the same army (it'd be good for Marine-heavy 40K as well).

Some coverage in "What's new today":

One of the really big announcements in this issue is Warhammer: Civil War, the first part of an official expansion for Warhammer. The premise is simple: to fight a war against your own race - an unusual, but certainly not uncommon occurrence in the Warhammer world. Included in this first part is the background to the expansion, written by Jervis Johnson, plus the first sets of rules for fighting against your own kin. Trust me when I say your games could get pretty messy with these rules in play.

Oh, and the Chaos faction covered is Beastmen, not WoC or Daemons.

Seems like a nice idea, and good to see some extra actual content in WD.

I love the 'use 25% more' though, "buy more stuff for your existing army!!!"

I actually think these rules are pretty cool, they add some nice flavour (potentially) to games.

.. and I too have immediately started pondering something similar for 40k.

The games will work best with the pitched battle table, specifically Battle Line, dawn attack battle for the pass scenarios.

You roll 2d6 and look on the "Civil war battle table" and see what result you get

For example : 9 gets you "Bloody feud" which means all units in both armies hate each other, or #3 which is "lust for battle" which gives all units the vanguard rule.

You then roll on the army/race specific chart to see what final twist you get. As said this month we get VCs, Beastmen, Ogres and Lizardmen charts, with the others to follow.

A roll of #4 would give one :

Vcs : Lord of Bone -- Skeletons, Black Knights, wight kings and grave guard are all +1T.
Beastmen : Bray-fest -- Units may not benefit from the LD of thier army's character and wizard miscasts are on any double not just double 6.
Ogre Kingdom : Ancient giant lands -- Roll a d6 each turn, on a 1 visibility is reduced to 12", 2-5 nada, 6 roll off, winner selects an enemy unit which is hit by lightning or boulders.
Lizardmen : Carnivorous jungle -- add d3+3 pieces of forest terrain, these are venom thickets. All skinks have the jungle strider rule.

There is -- which they admit -- the odd roll or combo which might not work out exactly ( that's the GW we all know and love right ?! ) but you can compromise and work something out.

I think it's a nice little feature and hope they continue to publish similar fun scenarios in the future.

I agree that it'd be cool for 40k, where fighting marine-on-marine or the like is quite common. In fantasy I usually face a variety of opponents, though... still, glad the campaign runners seem to like it. I could use some expansions or tweaks to the rules that aren't only useful for campaigns, though :-/

(I did pick up Blood in the Badlands, knowing that my favorite part, the siege rules, would also be the shortest...)

RiTides wrote:I agree that it'd be cool for 40k, where fighting marine-on-marine or the like is quite common. In fantasy I usually face a variety of opponents, though... still, glad the campaign runners seem to like it. I could use some expansions or tweaks to the rules that aren't only useful for campaigns, though :-/

(I did pick up Blood in the Badlands, knowing that my favorite part, the siege rules, would also be the shortest...)

I wonder if they'd be hesitant to do that in 40k with the sheer number of marine players and the fact that FW just finished covering the genre of marine on marine violence.

Cool stuff, time for some dwarf on dwarf hatred. Might actually get me to start building and painting.

yeah,
I have a friend with 13,000 pts of dark elves, he is going to love this supplement.

40k version please!
Lots of people i know have 3000pts+ 40k armies.
This would be cool I you turned up at someones house and we decided last minute to play a game, as we have the option of spliting a army in two.

Panic...

Civil war is pretty cool.. An unexpected by welcome addition to our campaigns

Games against similar armies are not uncommon around here. And tend to be interesting imho as the odds are quite even then most of the time. I´ll check whether this will make WD worth buying for me this month. I like the idea in any case.

I like this and I hope that 40k gets some love once the new edition comes out. I think that this month's WD has been great. I really like the amount of 'for fun' supplements they have been putting out. It gives a lot more life to WHF. I'll be more interested when they do the chaos marines for 40k as I think they'll be most up for faction vs faction games.

What like the civil war campaigns that they included as part of the Bretonia in Flames or cult armies a few years ago? Really imaginative. 0.o

reds8n wrote: There is -- which they admit -- the odd roll or combo which might not work out exactly ( that's the GW we all know and love right ?! ) but you can compromise and work something out.

This is true.

And with some of these odd results it tells you to roll again (The Lizardmen one with the Mage Priests, if one side lacks a Mage Priest....) where others don't (Example being there's a Lizardmen one that buffs all your mounts and monsters and odd critters...but since these are rolled after army selection....if you happen to have not taken any.... ).

All in all a very fun set of rules. Looking forward to the rest as they'll add sufficient flavour to the store's campaign starting up next month that I'm helping to run!

Kinda cool, and a great thing to have in White Dwarf. Something you can use if you like, but isn't a must own in order to play the game.

RiTides wrote:Hmm... as a fantasy player, I find it hard to be excited for this. Rules that I can use against someone with the same army as mine? Doesn't sound that entertaining, or needed...

This

And the lack of anything for orcs is a real miss seen as all they seem to do on the battlefield is fight each other if orc players are to be believed.

Erm ... you are aware that the other arnies including Orcs are covered in the next WD, right?

And currently, having 2 armies of the same kind in a group is a disadvantage. With civil war it will get more exciting.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not a bad idea for campaign play actually, as you tend to end up with a few people all playing the same army (it'd be good for Marine-heavy 40K as well).

I have to agree. You gotta love good ideas.

Neat. Makes more sense for 40k, IMO though. Too many space marine armies out there, plus DE have a good amount of infighting, as do orks and chaos. Fore certain armies, it doesn't make sense, like tyranids, tau and necrons, necessarily.

Unique rules, for sure.

Someone said, the Forge World Badab War book is basically a SM Civil War supplement, so no need for GW to copy that. But I am no expert on Space Marines and this specific book.

Kroothawk wrote:Someone said, the Forge World Badab War book is basically a SM Civil War supplement, so no need for GW to copy that. But I am no expert on Space Marines and this specific book.

In all seriousness, HBMC has a good point: a FW campaign is hardly the same thing as generalized WD scenario rules. My point was more about it being a huge success. Of course, if such a thing was published, one can easily imagine the overblown criticism: "no need for other factions any more, har har," &etc.


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Samus_aran115 wrote: Fore certain armies, it doesn't make sense, like tyranids, tau and necrons, necessarily.

I'd say it'd make sense for all of them.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Neat. Makes more sense for 40k, IMO though. Too many space marine armies out there, plus DE have a good amount of infighting, as do orks and chaos. Fore certain armies, it doesn't make sense, like tyranids, tau and necrons, necessarily.

Unique rules, for sure.

Tyranids- Competeing Hive Fleets fighting for bio-mass, or if same hive fleet - synapse creatures go bonkers and the hive mind wants to re-absorb the creatures to see what went wrong.

Tau- Farsight enclaves, any Tau expeditionary force that looses its etheral

Necrons, Newcrons- different dynanstys fighting old fudes. Oldcrons- malfunctioning tomb world, other crons are sent it to see whats wrong/salvage materials/try to repair tomb world etc etc etc

I think this will make for some fun and interesting games. It might give some of the other Vampire players at my flgs incentive to take on my Vampires.

Small update:
The March WD contains the lists for Daemons, Bretonnia, and all three Elf factions. WD April will contain the fourth and last part of this civil war supplement.

So I have to admit then... the title confuses me!

When I started the thread, I didn't know if all info was contained in WD January. It turned out that all rules are in WD January, and lists for each army in the following 3 WDs. So basically you need the rules and the list for your army.