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Cronch wrote:
now go look at all the female models GW released over the years instead of being obtuse. Even Repanse de Lyon, clad in full armor, has clearly female proportions (including some reaaally thin waist), and so do pretty much all of the rest until the 2019 chaos warriors. This is such an incredible non-issue that I'm sorry but I can't take the complaint seriously otherwise.

Repanse in TWWH2 doesn't have a thin waist. And I have to remind you that her latest model is out of print and extremely old. You really don't want to bring in models like that.

Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.
Cronch wrote:
(on the other hand I do have to say, that line of thinking does make female marines 100% canon)

If it wasn't for the fluff, yes, but it is not the same line of thinking.
   
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 CMLR wrote:
Cronch wrote:
In that case they wouldn't have been "male torsos", just "torsos", and it would have still been nice to have other adornments for the chest armour.

Well, why even include the torsos? The platonic idea of a rider should suffice.


I can't find the sarcasm anywhere.

Why are they blood knight if they are vampire knights and not knights made of actual blood?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If I was getting a cavalry mini from another company for $12 it wouldn't be a nice and wouldn't come with as many options. Certainly not extra torsos. It seems a strange complaint to me. Like, why lose head/weapon options for extra torsos? Why add extra torsos over, say, alternate steed heads or different shields? Either would add far more visual diversity.


Because now we are forced to have four blokes and one gal in a single unit. What if I wanted to have a ratio of 3:2 instead? the diversity that one single metal bra brought to the table now is forcing people to buy more boxed, clip off boobies, or dig in chests and add boobies. Again, this does not happen with Chaos Knights and Warriors because you only need to slap a head on them, not plated boobs.

One single diversity piece caused a diversity paradox for people who wanted diversity on their plastic soldiers kit.
Ohhh, now I see it. Gotcha.

Also I now want to get some and paint them as made of actual blood.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, it is quite an issue for anyone wanting more than a single token female Blood Knight in their unit.


I didn't thought of tokenism, but I still stand by the side that don't go brattle or fully embrace it. What if I want 5 female riders but I didn't wanted to afford 5 boxes?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Some folk just need to wake up and realise it’s 2021.


Thanks for telling us that we are in the current year and understanding what actually happened, John Oliver...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ohhh, now I see it. Gotcha.

Also I now want to get some and paint them as made of actual blood.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I personally would prefer mine to be all male, since it fits much better with the Old World image of them being a knightly order all turned to vampires. And I'd generally prefer all mine to be helmeted, so I'd hope for enough helmeted heads so you have the option to give them all helmets. But if they are going to make some without helmets, it would be nice for some to be obviously feminine so that you can make some noticeably female. I suppose it might be hard to fit 15 total heads per set though, if you need enough that all can be in helmets or all overtly female or all overtly male. Especially considering hoe big they insist on making the hair and the helmets.


Meh, the 40k Eradicators kit came with 20 heads at a similar price point to the Blood Knights


Yeah, but there's also only three of them for that price. And they're on foot, so they don't need space for 5 horses. So that's a really bad example. Plus, I don't think 40k has the same thing where how important you are in the universe is indicated by how big and ridiculous your helmet is. And space marines don't have the ridiculous hair that GW decided to give to half the vampire models.

But in any case, having as many bare heads as they could fit, some of them that looked male and some that looked female, would be a better choice than having one or two out of the five torsos with boob armor. In fact, given the choice between extra torsos with boobs or extra heads, the heads would be better, because if you use them to mark out champions, then if you have more than one unit you can have the champions look different.

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Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.
And I have to remind you that her latest model is out of print and extremely old.

Yes, it was exactly the reason I named her. The only time (to my knowledge) in all of GW's sculpting history in the last 20+ years that GW made female heads for male models in fantasy to show female warriors is for the latest chaos line. Neither before nor after did it happen, and yet this is the one example you latch onto. It's..telling.

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Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.

You really are desperate to accuse random people on the internet of sexism, aren't you?
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.

You really are desperate to accuse random people on the internet of sexism, aren't you?
I have no idea what he's talking about either. People don't like the boob-plate sculpt, that's it. IMO it does look pretty dumb and if I had one it'd be immediately cut & resculpted to not look like that.

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Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.


No, nobody said female vampire sculpts = bad.

Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.

Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?

Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.

You really are desperate to accuse random people on the internet of sexism, aren't you?


No need to turn this into a political cesspool.

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In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Good grief is this nonsense gonna happen every single time a female miniature is released?

Some folk just need to wake up and realise it’s 2021.


The Blood Knights are specifically based on the Old World Blood Knights Knightly Order so it's definitely ingrained in their character to expect male over female vampires with this unit. I think they are great models but would prefer the knights themselves to be a bit chunkier with more physical presence as they are almost like elven knights. GW know what they are at with a good chunk of their AOS range as most of the popular stuff is heavily grounded in the older Fantasy range and they are appealing to a wider market with a good number of these releases. The option should be there to field five torsos without boob plate and in my view, moving away from the Identity politics and championing going on, the real issue is how little options are on the sprues for an expensive enough kit of 5 models (Yes I know the older Blood Knights were more expensive!)








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 GaroRobe wrote:
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In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential


That confirms an original idea I had that the Nagash kit would work well with this kit; I believe the scales are similar and that there is scope to fit the Nagash legs to this torso.

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I think Nagash is probably too big. But the Bonereaper dude should work. He's pretty hefty. Alarielle has actual fleshy legs too, so there's another possibility
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, it is quite an issue for anyone wanting more than a single token female Blood Knight in their unit.


Not really, check ebay in a few weeks and I'm sure there will be tons of them from all the people who want men only knights.


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 CMLR wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.


No, nobody said female vampire sculpts = bad.

Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.

Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?

Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Is not serious yet you are paying quite a lot of attention to it.

Because it is fascinating to see the amazing mental hoops people will jump through to explain why man-vampires are female vampires and thus female vampire sculpts bad.

You really are desperate to accuse random people on the internet of sexism, aren't you?


No need to turn this into a political cesspool.


Yeah...because there aren't any models in either 40K or AoS that objectify men. I mean, think about all those muscley Fyreslayers, and all those Blood Angels with their rock hard abs.

Seriously, these debates over boob armor are dumb. Sex sells. Deal with it.

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 GaroRobe wrote:

In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential


I really don't understand the criticism. This sculpt looks fantastic to me.

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 Hollow wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:

In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential


I really don't understand the criticism. This sculpt looks fantastic to me.


I don't have any issue with the model. But I like the idea of converting it even more.



Also, are we getting the cursed city models back? I'm not sure why else they'd have rules in the Battle tome. Underworlds, I get. They're intended to stick around
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:

Spoiler:


Also, are we getting the cursed city models back? I'm not sure why else they'd have rules in the Battle tome. Underworlds, I get. They're intended to stick around

I believe the original plans for Cursed City was for them to stick around as well. It's not really unusual as a fair number of the new models for Warhammer Quest (both AoS and 40K) received rules for the core games.

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Are you frigging kidding me, they left the Black Coach out of this?

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 GaroRobe wrote:
Spoiler:


In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential


Funny world we live, don't we? right now with REV, we have a little analogy with Lady Dimitrescu; inhumanly tall woman with a monster for legs.

Shouldn't it be for COVID, GW could've possibly coined that giant vampire mistress character that we are now going to run into aplenty from now on for some years.

She is on a 80 mm round base, so she covers a lot, but she is also on top of scenic ruins, creating the illusion of greater volume, just like Kragnos will do with his pride rock, but as a vampire, one can expect her to be taller than a regular human, and even more considering the special kind of Vampire she is; my question is: how big is she compared to Neferata?

Her alternate option as Bela's Dracula is just gold.

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 GaroRobe wrote:


In an effort to change the conversation, she is massive. Or maybe the old skeletons are just small. Given the scale of the underworld vampires, I guess it's not too surprising. But any hope of chopping off her upper torso and giving her human legs is dead. But the bat body still has potential


What about the legs from the new keeper of secrets?

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The more I look at her the more I think the bigger problem is in the jarring change of aesthetic at the waist. If her bottom half was armored up like the top, or the inverse, it would look a lot better. I am tempted to try it.

Also anyone else think GW had a partly designed humanoid without legs yet and a partly designed monster without a head yet then someone got drunk and said 'wait... PUT THEM TOGETHER!'

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 CMLR wrote:
Cronch wrote:
In that case they wouldn't have been "male torsos", just "torsos", and it would have still been nice to have other adornments for the chest armour.

Well, why even include the torsos? The platonic idea of a rider should suffice.


I can't find the sarcasm anywhere.

Why are they blood knight if they are vampire knights and not knights made of actual blood?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
If I was getting a cavalry mini from another company for $12 it wouldn't be a nice and wouldn't come with as many options. Certainly not extra torsos. It seems a strange complaint to me. Like, why lose head/weapon options for extra torsos? Why add extra torsos over, say, alternate steed heads or different shields? Either would add far more visual diversity.


Because now we are forced to have four blokes and one gal in a single unit. What if I wanted to have a ratio of 3:2 instead? the diversity that one single metal bra brought to the table now is forcing people to buy more boxed, clip off boobies, or dig in chests and add boobies. Again, this does not happen with Chaos Knights and Warriors because you only need to slap a head on them, not plated boobs.

One single diversity piece caused a diversity paradox for people who wanted diversity on their plastic soldiers kit.


I think you're in luck. I'm fairly sure that there are 2 female blood knights in the box! And if there aren't? Well, there's at least 1 female unhelmeted head, and 1 female unhelmeted head, so you can put the female head you don't use on a male torso and boom, 2 female knights achieved!
   
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 quickfuze wrote:
What about the legs from the new keeper of secrets?

Pretty sure they'll won't fit: KoS uses a base 2 cm larger. Hooves and stockings won't really fit either with a heavy armoured vampiress.
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The more I look at her the more I think the bigger problem is in the jarring change of aesthetic at the waist. If her bottom half was armored up like the top, or the inverse, it would look a lot better. I am tempted to try it.

Also anyone else think GW had a partly designed humanoid without legs yet and a partly designed monster without a head yet then someone got drunk and said 'wait... PUT THEM TOGETHER!'

I'm on the fence with her, I do like her but I think having the bottom separated into a Vharg-whatevertheCursedCityWhargurwas or having her mounting a new monster was a better idea.

Rihgu wrote:
I think you're in luck. I'm fairly sure that there are 2 female blood knights in the box! And if there aren't? Well, there's at least 1 female unhelmeted head, and 1 female unhelmeted head, so you can put the female head you don't use on a male torso and boom, 2 female knights achieved!

Then why did they bothered to add a boobplate to begin with?

I'll leave you with that.

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Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?
   
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Rihgu wrote:
I think you're in luck. I'm fairly sure that there are 2 female blood knights in the box! And if there aren't? Well, there's at least 1 female unhelmeted head, and 1 female unhelmeted head, so you can put the female head you don't use on a male torso and boom, 2 female knights achieved!


My main complaint remains that they look too weedy relative to the bulkiness of the decorative bits on their armour.

But I guess a pro of that is that they're all androgynous enough to be female if you want them to be called female. Maybe they were going for a trans vibe with them.

Either way, not a fan. I like the horses but unless I can find different riders for them, meh, I'll think I'll pass for now.
   
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 KingGarland wrote:
Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?


Correct, Soulblight Gravelords are the replacement for Legions of Nagash.
   
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 KingGarland wrote:
Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?
We should be expecting an FAQ on the matter to clarify things. Technically speaking any warscrolls & allegiances that are updated would replace what is available in LoN, but items that are not would still be legal. For example, the Legion of Sacrament would still be playable from LoN, while for Legion of Night one would need to use the newer book. But I would expect the two-week FAQ to write out LoN entirely.

Legion of Grief, on the other hand...

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 CMLR wrote:


No, nobody said female vampire sculpts = bad.

Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.

Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?

Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).



Sure, but you know, that's how they are depicted as GW miniatures. Sisters of Battle are the same.

That's what I don't understand ; why the Blood Knights specifically while GW is doing the exact same thing for all female warriors wearing armor. It's not like it's something new - like oversized weapons, bigger hands and more "heroic" proportions.


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 KingGarland wrote:
Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?
We should be expecting an FAQ on the matter to clarify things. Technically speaking any warscrolls & allegiances that are updated would replace what is available in LoN, but items that are not would still be legal. For example, the Legion of Sacrament would still be playable from LoN, while for Legion of Night one would need to use the newer book. But I would expect the two-week FAQ to write out LoN entirely.

Legion of Grief, on the other hand...


We'll see. Arkhan the Black not being in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome makes sense, since he has nothing to do with vampires. And he's in the Ossiarch Bonereapers battletome.

Wouldn't be surprised if a new version of him appears in the next Ossiarch Bonereapers battletome coming in AoS 3rd editio, along with the obvious new archer unit.

As for Legion of Grief, they're part of the Nighthaunt battletome. Same for Black Coach. Reason why Terrorgheists and Dragon Zombies are still in is because the old kit wasn't replaced and still have components to have a "not blood knight" vampire lord instead of the abhorrent. That's not the case for Black Coach.

It's pretty clear GW wants to make Death have separate factions.

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Sarouan wrote:
 CMLR wrote:


No, nobody said female vampire sculpts = bad.

Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.

Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?

Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).



Sure, but you know, that's how they are depicted as GW miniatures. Sisters of Battle are the same.

That's what I don't understand ; why the Blood Knights specifically while GW is doing the exact same thing for all female warriors wearing armor. It's not like it's something new - like oversized weapons, bigger hands and more "heroic" proportions.


I could be wrong, but I think part of the problem is that they're just not very nice looking models (though I'm sure some people are going to love them, "nice looking" is subjective obviously).

People are finding features like the boob plate or the lack of torso options more grating because the models as a whole just aren't that good.

Bat-centaur lady also has boob plate and I haven't noticed people complaining about that.
   
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Imo, they look really good if you go with a less cartoonish paintjob than the one GW decided to use in all of their photos
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I think this is the only place where I've seen people express dissatisfaction with the Blood Knight sculpts. Everywhere else they've seemed to be received well.

They seem to be selling well too; OOS on GW, Element Games and my LGS. Same with Vauka Lai.

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My main complaint remains that they look too weedy relative to the bulkiness of the decorative bits on their armour.

But I guess a pro of that is that they're all androgynous enough to be female if you want them to be called female. Maybe they were going for a trans vibe with them.

Either way, not a fan. I like the horses but unless I can find different riders for them, meh, I'll think I'll pass for now.


They are supposed to be sophisticated decadent aristocrats living on blood, yet blessed with superhuman Vampiric strenght -why would they bulk up like some brutish peasant?
Any indication a knight like this would be fit to engage in manual labour would make him or her the laughing stock of the clan.

Not sure what you were hoping for, but perhaps you could try some conversion with chaos knights, they are pretty buff.

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