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Late summer, early fall last year I was reading on various fora about new codexes for SoB and Tau to be released this year. Some of the sources seemed reliable and it appeared from those sources that it wasn't just rumor, but SoB and Tau would indeed get their codexes updated. I haven't heard a peep about either for a while, tho, and was just wondering what the scuttlebutt was on them? And yes, I'm aware of the WD SoB codex, but I'm talking about a codex to replace the Witch Hunters codex.

Im doubting there will be a replacement anytime soon for Witchunters because of the WD release.

Havent heard much of anything about Tau. Lately its more about Chaos and new rules ed it seems.

If Games Workshop plans on keeping Tau as a forefront army, that almost have to release a new Codex sometime soon.

But it is Games Workshop, so who knows.

Emerett wrote:If Games Workshop plans on keeping Tau as a forefront army, that almost have to release a new Codex sometime soon.

That's kinda how I feel about SoB. I've skimmed thru the WD codex and found it to be no real improvement overall. There are a couple of areas of improvement, but not enough to rekindle my interest. I guess I'm hoping for more unique/independant characters and unit types, ideally with new minis as well.

I feel like a good SoB codex partnered with a line of new plastic models would be a huge seller.

It may also re-inspire some faith in the 40K community.

Emerett wrote:I feel like a good SoB codex partnered with a line of new plastic models would be a huge seller.

It may also re-inspire some faith in the 40K community.

Whether intentional or not this was pretty awesome.

The WD SoB codex wasn't all bad; there are some filthy units (Celsetine, Conclave, Dominions) and some sensible points values.

What it did manage to do badly was to make an already limited army even more limited in terms of the units it could take and the number of actual competitive lists it could have.

I too think that a new SoB codex with new minis would be a big seller but I really don't expect this to happen anytime soon :(

J.Black wrote:What it did manage to do badly was to make an already limited army even more limited in terms of the units it could take and the number of actual competitive lists it could have.

I haven't played SoB since 3rd, but from what I'm hearing is that they are still far to expensive to make a competitive list with.

Emerett wrote:
I haven't played SoB since 3rd, but from what I'm hearing is that they are still far to expensive to make a competitive list with.

Are you refering to points or money?

Points wise, they are very competitive around the 1500-2000 mark. Celestine is probably the most under-costed unit in the game, Dominions are one of the best alpha strikes, and a conclave lead by Jacobus will slaughter almost anything (horde or elite) in assault. Exorcists still provide excellent long range fire too.....

Money wise, you're looking at about £400 to start you off :( which is not cheap.

Emerett wrote:

J.Black wrote:What it did manage to do badly was to make an already limited army even more limited in terms of the units it could take and the number of actual competitive lists it could have.

I haven't played SoB since 3rd, but from what I'm hearing is that they are still far to expensive to make a competitive list with.

We have a beautyful army at our local club, but it relies heavyly on tank spam to get it threw. I'm talking 10 tanks in 1500. Wait, it could be more than that. However, every model is wonderfully painted and modeled.

The tau rumers that you heard might have been the ones from ghost. They were fake sadly so sorry.

Ledabot wrote: but it relies heavyly on tank spam to get it threw. I'm talking 10 tanks in 1500. Wait, it could be more than that.

I miss Immolator spam :( Fast HF's and silly amounts of melta <3

You still have to put SoB in tanks using the WD codex though. Despite having power armour T3 makes them very vulnerable out in the open.

Emerett wrote:I feel like a good SoB codex partnered with a line of new plastic models would be a huge seller.

It may also re-inspire some faith in the 40K community.

OMG this is so sig-worthy... well played, sir.

Back before I lost all hope in my Sisters, I was rabidly following rumors.

I understand that some if not all of them originated from ghost21, who was completely discredited later as a rumormonger. Or some other discredited dude, don't know for sure any more.

However, there have been many other independent whispers about new models. Every one of these, though, mentions some filthy heresy about difficulty with sculpting robes. Seems like a pile of stinking poo to me, so I just take it as they have been put on back burner for some unknown reason.

With all the chaos and DA rumors, I'm thinking we won't see SoB any earlier than 2013. This makes me extremely sad because I really want to get back into 40k, and SoB release would definitely do it. I admit I haven't paid any attention to any Tau whispers...

Edit- to ensure it is clear which "them" I refer to...

The one thing sorely lacking from the SOB WD DEX is an assault vehicle. I've steamrolled everything from TWC to Nid MCs to full mobs of Orks with a Battle Conclave. Unfortunately if their ride gets popped early or has to move that turn they are hosed.

Emerett wrote:

J.Black wrote:What it did manage to do badly was to make an already limited army even more limited in terms of the units it could take and the number of actual competitive lists it could have.

I haven't played SoB since 3rd, but from what I'm hearing is that they are still far to expensive to make a competitive list with.

When you were playing SoB in 3rd. How well did their codex hold up? It was a hold over from 2nd and all. I do think that they'd do good with an update and some plastic models.

J.Black wrote:
Are you refering to points or money?

Points wise, they are very competitive around the 1500-2000 mark. Celestine is probably the most under-costed unit in the game, Dominions are one of the best alpha strikes, and a conclave lead by Jacobus will slaughter almost anything (horde or elite) in assault. Exorcists still provide excellent long range fire too.....

Money wise, you're looking at about £400 to start you off :( which is not cheap.

I was talking points.

It's good to know that they are still points efficient.




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Kiryu Mk 3 wrote:
When you were playing SoB in 3rd. How well did their codex hold up? It was a hold over from 2nd and all. I do think that they'd do good with an update and some plastic models.

I used them as a detachment (or whatever it was called) for my Space Wolves (who doesn't miss the days when you could run two armies at once?).

Basically just a bunch of flamers with jet packs. They were effective at what they did.

I've had some decent success with sisters. They are more competitive than the WH codex... but less... fun... the faith flavor that used to have isn't as cool. I loved the old anti psyker feel... the new codexes ONE piece of anti psyker wargear is overcosted and just plain BAD

This belongs in 40k discussion not General.

Re: 3rd Ed sisters.

We actually had 3 codexes in 3rd. Black book, chapter approved and c:WH. All very different books with different play styles.

Ultra Grey wrote:Late summer, early fall last year I was reading on various fora about new codexes for SoB and Tau to be released this year. Some of the sources seemed reliable and it appeared from those sources that it wasn't just rumor, but SoB and Tau would indeed get their codexes updated. I haven't heard a peep about either for a while, tho, and was just wondering what the scuttlebutt was on them? And yes, I'm aware of the WD SoB codex, but I'm talking about a codex to replace the Witch Hunters codex.

I'm not too sure on the WH situation at the moment but a whole heep of those Tau rumors a while back turned out to be churned out of a phoney source.

Pretty much go through this linked thread and exclude everything by ghost21, if found, and that would be the most "up to date" on Tau rumors.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/405123.page

I'm a little disappointed it all turned out to be rumor. I was really hoping for a new SoB codex and models. They were actually the first 40K army I started, but crappy models (in my opinion, ymmv), cumbersome codex, lack of visual variety between unit types and a lack of personality due to almost no unique characters caused me to lose interest quickly. I would seriously consider painting more if they got a boost like crons or GKs.

J.Black wrote:

Emerett wrote:
I haven't played SoB since 3rd, but from what I'm hearing is that they are still far to expensive to make a competitive list with.

Are you refering to points or money?

Points wise, they are very competitive around the 1500-2000 mark. Celestine is probably the most under-costed unit in the game, Dominions are one of the best alpha strikes, and a conclave lead by Jacobus will slaughter almost anything (horde or elite) in assault. Exorcists still provide excellent long range fire too.....

Money wise, you're looking at about £400 to start you off :( which is not cheap.

Celestine is not all that awesome so she is appropriately costed. Don't let her stat line fool you. She's just decent and certainly has her place though. Exorcists are not very reliable for firepower. A couple rounds of rolling 1 shot each and you will see what I mean. On the rounds you roll 6 shots though your opponent weeps.

On the other hand Dominions are good. If only they were faster, then they would be awesome. No other codex has a fast attack section as slow as ours. Not a single fast vehicle or bike. We move 12" which is no faster than any other slot in the army. Jacobus and his girls are truly deadly as well. Their only weaknesses being ride dependent and no grenades. Jacobus can die pretty easy as well being T3 with a 4+ save

I think Sisters are probably more competetive in the 1000-1500 mark. At 2000 points they just die. In objective games, I think they really suffere if your opponent knows what he is doing.

andrewm9 wrote:
Celestine is not all that awesome so she is appropriately costed. Don't let her stat line fool you. She's just decent and certainly has her place though.

I disagree. Don't let her stat line fool you; her capability for disruption, death and destruction are pretty great. Not to mention that she doesn't stay down.

Exorcists are not very reliable for firepower. A couple rounds of rolling 1 shot each and you will see what I mean. On the rounds you roll 6 shots though your opponent weeps.

Agreed. Although I tend to roll high.

On the other hand Dominions are good. If only they were faster, then they would be awesome. No other codex has a fast attack section as slow as ours. Not a single fast vehicle or bike. We move 12" which is no faster than any other slot in the army.

I think Scouts is a good trade for Fast. Being there first is often as good as being there fast.

I think Sisters are probably more competetive in the 1000-1500 mark. At 2000 points they just die. In objective games, I think they really suffere if your opponent knows what he is doing.

Do you have any evidence for this one? All that I've seen so far for sisters is that they are holding their own at all points levels (2000 and less). At 2000, you can fit dual conclaves, full dominions and heavies and a good number of troops. That is a nasty list, especially against the dominant MEQ and TEQ lists that are on the field.

Sisters are great at 1k-1500. The conclave is one of if not the single most point efficient melee unit in the game. Or if you are saving points (say at 1k) celestine fills that HQ slot and is simply amazing. Fast attack gives us scouting TL multi meltas with melta squads. One of the top "alpha strike" units in the game. 3 of these things rushing your opponents line is going to make him rethink his vehicle placement.

Once you get to 2k celestine is no longer the threat she use to be but you have enough points to throw in a second conclave. 2 conclaves 3 exorcists, 3 dominion squads and the rest in troops makes for a solid 2k list with the weakest point being our troops. But even they are carrying 2 special weapons and wearing power armor. And the only thing you need faith for at 2k is your dominions with left over points going to your troops. Keeping reliance on faith down.

The issue with sisters isn't so much that they aren't good. They have tools to win. It is more the same issue that Dark Eldar had for the 10 years before their codex came out. Lack of variety.

As for the OP. Some things I have heard. keep in mind this is 2nd and 3rd hand info.

Tau are currently slated for 2013 Q1. Sisters were scheduled for the end of this year. But they have dropped completely off the radar. Neither myself or anyone I have talked to about the matter know what happened to them.

Even with tau when you are talking close to a year out things can change. But the soonest sisters players can expect a new book would be after tau. So you are looking at Q2 2013 at the earliest.

IcedAnimals wrote:The issue with sisters isn't so much that they aren't good. They have tools to win. It is more the same issue that Dark Eldar had for the 10 years before their codex came out. Lack of variety.

Exactly.

I think expecting a Sisters update any time before 2015-2016 is being far too optimistic. Realistically, I think it would be 5 years from the last update (2016 at the earliest). Keep in mind (dates approximate):

Codex: Sisters of Battle - 1997
Codex: Black RuleBook - 1998/1999
Codex: Chapter Approved - WD was around 2000, CA came out in 2002, I think.
Codex: Witchhunters - 2004
Codex: SoB WD - 2011

There is also the rumor on warseer right now claiming tau in june. Which goes against what I have previously heard. And could also mean 5 months of 40k in a row (that is quite the 6th edition line up) So for those two reasons I don't believe it. But there is always a chance I am wrong.

IcedAnimals wrote:There is also the rumor on warseer right now claiming tau in june. Which goes against what I have previously heard. And could also mean 5 months of 40k in a row (that is quite the 6th edition line up) So for those two reasons I don't believe it. But there is always a chance I am wrong.

There are so many rumors flying around right now, all so different, that it's becoming quite obvious they're all just tea leaves and tarot cards.

Apparently they are just throwing a whole lot of rumers around that are all lies to try and throw off the main rumer sources and reallt anyone interested in anything GW. We can't really trust anything at the moment.

As much as I want the rumor to be true, the ghost21 incident leaves me skeptical...

IcedAnimals wrote:There is also the rumor on warseer right now claiming tau in june. Which goes against what I have previously heard. And could also mean 5 months of 40k in a row (that is quite the 6th edition line up) So for those two reasons I don't believe it. But there is always a chance I am wrong.

Would 5 months of 40k in a row be all that unusual this year? You have to take into consideration that it is the 25th anniversay, after all. Aside from the month of the Hobbit's release in theaters, I would suspect that GW would dedicate as much as they could to pushing out 40k product this year...