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I feel like such an idiot.... I was educated by an awesome 40k player last night right after I got my Arse handed too me (will be posting the Battle Report Later), that I could have moved my BW with Red paint 13" disembarked my boyz 2", then if I waaghed with Ghaz fleeted 6" and then charged 6" into assault... Man I wished I would have known about this earlier, I would have been using this tactic with my ork BWs a while ago... I just wanted to put the word out there in case any other Ork players did not know about this... Most of you probably do and I like NOOB did not.... Cheers all and good luck

Yeah my buddy plays orks a lot and he's made the same mistake too! But boy was he happy to learn that he was doing it wrong

Well I have not gotten to use it yet, but I am excited to try it out. I did not think you could do fleet out of a vehicle that goes 12(13)". Cheers

Don't forget that you actually get a little bit farther range because the base of your model only needs to be within 2" of the transport. With Ghazkull's (or another warbooss') squad, base size is 40mm (2") so you actually have up to 13+2+2+6+6 = 29" range.

This works as long as you don't take 'Ard Case on your Battlewagon, because if the transport is not open topped you won't be able to assault that turn.

Works with Trucks too.

Works without Ghazkull, but you have to roll dice to see how far you run

Works if you are close enough to get there without running, cause then you get to dakka them first.

Don't forget, you can run even if you don't plan to assault. maybe to get to an objective, or to get into cover, or to get into position for a future turn...

-Myst

*immediately scribbles down notes* didn't realize that but then again I haven't actually finished my ork army yet

holy crap...I can't believe I never noticed this...
I just assumed you could only disembark after moving 6" like in previous editions. Well, that changes quite a few things...

marauder6272 wrote:holy crap...I can't believe I never noticed this...
I just assumed you could only disembark after moving 6" like in previous editions. Well, that changes quite a few things...

I thought this as well until I was at a tourney and this topic came up and I was shown in the BRB that troops may disembark after the vehicle moves with no regard as to how far the vehicle actually moved.

^^ Unless it moved "Flat Out" (fast vehicles like trukk)

Indeed, it's not an uncommon tactic.

13" for vehicle movement, just under a 3" additional shunt forwards due to disembark, 6" fleet, 6" assault - a total of just under a 28" threat radius. Add 2 more if you pulled any risky rotation-movement shenanigens.

Remember that Gazzy is in Mega Armour, so he rolls 3D6 and picks highest for ALL movement. His unit is forced to always move at the slowest pace - so it's possible that you score low for that assault movement.

Kharrak wrote:Indeed, it's not an uncommon tactic.

13" for vehicle movement, just under a 3" additional shunt forwards due to disembark, 6" fleet, 6" assault - a total of just under a 28" threat radius. Add 2 more if you pulled any risky rotation-movement shenanigens.

Remember that Gazzy is in Mega Armour, so he rolls 3D6 and picks highest for ALL movement. His unit is forced to always move at the slowest pace - so it's possible that you score low for that assault movement.

Two things...

1- you can indeed get an extra couple inches if your BW did a pivot move first. Not always likely, but does happen if you charge something to the side of where you started.

2- Think we should review slow and Purposeful, Run, Independent Charachter movement, and Prophet of the Waagh. I can look this up this afternoon, but I've always thought:
TWO dice when he moves during the movement phase and is in a unit, since the unit has Slow and Purposeful and doesn't gain Move Through Terrain
NO dice when he is in a unit and calls a waagh because Prophet of the Waagh causes a 6" automatically
THREE dice when he is by himself during normal movement because he has "move through cover"
NO dice when he's by himself and he calls a Waagh, because Prophet of the Waagh causes 6" automatically
ONE dice when he runs and there isn't a Waagh, because you never run with more than one dice (Slow and Purposeful and Move Through Terrain do nothing here)

-Myst

Mysticaria wrote:Think we should review slow and Purposeful, Run, Independent Charachter movement, and Prophet of the Waagh. I can look this up this afternoon, but I've always thought:
TWO dice when he moves during the movement phase and is in a unit, since the unit has Slow and Purposeful and doesn't gain Move Through Terrain
NO dice when he is in a unit and calls a waagh because Prophet of the Waagh causes a 6" automatically
THREE dice when he is by himself during normal movement because he has "move through cover"
NO dice when he's by himself and he calls a Waagh, because Prophet of the Waagh causes 6" automatically
ONE dice when he runs and there isn't a Waagh, because you never run with more than one dice (Slow and Purposeful and Move Through Terrain do nothing here)

I have to admit fault - forgot that Move Through Cover is lost when in a unit that does not have it. So 2D6 movement when in a unit at any time when NOT moving the auto 6" granted by Gazzy's Waaagh.

Kharrak wrote:Indeed, it's not an uncommon tactic.

13" for vehicle movement, just under a 3" additional shunt forwards due to disembark, 6" fleet, 6" assault - a total of just under a 28" threat radius. Add 2 more if you pulled any risky rotation-movement shenanigens.

Remember that Gazzy is in Mega Armour, so he rolls 3D6 and picks highest for ALL movement. His unit is forced to always move at the slowest pace - so it's possible that you score low for that assault movement.

If you use his waagh shouldn't he actually run 6 always?

@Bacms yes, but what Kharrak meant is that you have to roll for slow and purposeful in the assault phase, so your charge range would be less, not his run move.

Kirjava wrote:@Bacms yes, but what Kharrak meant is that you have to roll for slow and purposeful in the assault phase, so your charge range would be less, not his run move.

Thanks for the clarification I always forget the charge is also dependent on the difficult terrain.

I thought Ghazy's WAAGH only counted auto 6" on the fleet move, I think it says that in the Dex... but please correct me if I am wrong... Thanks for all the post guys....
Yeah Fleet after the move 12(13)" is only for open topped vehicle, If it was for all vehicles, my Waveserpents and Banshees would be very happy!!!

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I thought Ghazy's WAAGH only counted auto 6" on the fleet move, I think it says that in the Dex... but please correct me if I am wrong... Thanks for all the post guys....

That's what we've been saying

disembark - fleet (auto 6" move), then perform assault move - which will be affected by Gazzy's Mega Armour.

This thread makes me . not because of inaccuracies but becuase now my poor IG will have orks assaulting them on turn 2...which means if i went second that in all likelihood i will only get one turn of shooting before the horde of orks assualts...i guess that is what reserves and outflanking things are for though.

I'm really shocked about how many people don't know of this.

That's the whole point of the battlewagon army, isn't it?

Any yes, you are almost always assaulting on turn 2, even often enough during Dawn of War. A warboss/thrakka (or a bigmek, if you're desperate) also increase the assault range by their base size, as within 2" is defined by WH40k as the distance between vehicle and model being 2" maximum.

Ignore realized now people are talking about using it only on the second turn

Kharrak wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I thought Ghazy's WAAGH only counted auto 6" on the fleet move, I think it says that in the Dex... but please correct me if I am wrong... Thanks for all the post guys....

That's what we've been saying

disembark - fleet (auto 6" move), then perform assault move - which will be affected by Gazzy's Mega Armour.

Sorry did not realize that..


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Jidmah wrote:I'm really shocked about how many people don't know of this.

That's the whole point of the battlewagon army, isn't it?

Any yes, you are almost always assaulting on turn 2, even often enough during Dawn of War. A warboss/thrakka (or a bigmek, if you're desperate) also increase the assault range by their base size, as within 2" is defined by WH40k as the distance between vehicle and model being 2" maximum.

I honestly thought that if you moved 12(13)" you could only get out 2" and assault... I did not think fleet worked if you went that far.... I guess I never saw in the 40k rules where it states this.. but yes all this time, I have been running my battlewaggons without these shenanigans... but I sure as heck will be...