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i've been seeing a lot about bully awareness this week.

so we start with the kid in iowa.
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/2012/0423/Iowa-teen-s-suicide-prompts-strong-anti-bullying-statement

to dan savage talking about his anti bully campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs&lc=j-YbM5SPUjUPzo0p1-TocPT2kJtNM1IcU-DFLQlE5TQ&feature=inbox

to this pastor in NC
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/02/north-carolina-pastor-sean-harris-urges-parents-to-man-up-and-punch-effeminate-children/

so pastors tell people to beat their kids if they act gay, dan savage says can't we just ignore that 1 extra part of the bible on top of all the other stuff we already ignore, to kids being bullied to the point of suicide.

is it really so hard to drop 1 more line from the bible out of the many others that are already being ignored? can't we all just get along and live and let live?

We can't because Religious establishment a and people enjoy protected status and are treated with too much respect.

Their beliefs are as substantiated as belief in UFO s. But point it out and it doesn't bode well.

So suck it up and deal with it gays, pregnant rape victims and circumcised girls. Life's rarely fair unfortunately.

sirlynchmob wrote:i've been seeing a lot about bully awareness this week.

so we start with the kid in iowa.
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/2012/0423/Iowa-teen-s-suicide-prompts-strong-anti-bullying-statement

to dan savage talking about his anti bully campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0k9qDsOvs&lc=j-YbM5SPUjUPzo0p1-TocPT2kJtNM1IcU-DFLQlE5TQ&feature=inbox

to this pastor in NC
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/02/north-carolina-pastor-sean-harris-urges-parents-to-man-up-and-punch-effeminate-children/

so pastors tell people to beat their kids if they act gay, dan savage says can't we just ignore that 1 extra part of the bible on top of all the other stuff we already ignore, to kids being bullied to the point of suicide.

is it really so hard to drop 1 more line from the bible out of the many others that are already being ignored? can't we all just get along and live and let live?

Whats so awesome is thats completely not what the firestorm with gak for brains Savage is about.

Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

Edit: These comments were over the top. Thanks Fraz for not freaking out. Will return later with more nuanced comments. -R

mattyrm wrote:We can't because Religious establishment a and people enjoy protected status and are treated with too much respect.

Their beliefs are as substantiated as belief in UFO s. But point it out and it doesn't bode well.

So suck it up and deal with it gays, pregnant rape victims and circumcised girls. Life's rarely fair unfortunately.

Hey! At least the UFO community has actual photographic evidence of UFOs. Hell we even have a show on History.




And the 2nd part, thats some good ol fashioned DAKKA victim blaming there. Way to Chaos is begin to grow


*I cant spell*

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

I'm evil now. Excellent. I must say though I must be getting slow, its taken until Thursday to be called Evil. I'm getting slow.

Sorry but if you're at being paid to speak at a public high school convention on bulying to high school kids across the nation, then slam Christianity, your a gak head. Anyone who thinks otherwise can push off.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/02/chris-selley-dan-savage-has-become-the-bully/

John Lehmann/National Post
Dan Savage, a leader of the anti-bullying movement, keeps getting caught belittling others.

.Comments Email Twitter inShare.1.A scene from the anti-bullying movement: In Seattle last month, a prominent speaker tells 2,800 high school journalists that the Bible is full of various brands of “bs,” prompting some in the audience to leave. Leaking venom, the anti-bullying advocate heckles them as they depart, calling their reaction “pansy-assed.” He later apologizes for this remark in a blog post: “It was insulting, it was name-calling and it was wrong,” he writes. He might also have mentioned, but did not, that calling someone a “pansy-ass” as he flees an uncomfortable situation is a textbook case of bullying.

....Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery. Only he wrapped that point not just in foul language but in store-brand Bible-bashing: “The Bible is a rabidly pro-slavery document,” he crowed. “Slave-owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War.”

On the positive, this will turn into the semiweekly lets bash Christians thread. WE haven't had one in at least 37 hours so its time.

mattyrm wrote:We can't because Religious establishment a and people enjoy protected status and are treated with too much respect.

Their beliefs are as substantiated as belief in UFO s. But point it out and it doesn't bode well.

So suck it up and deal with it gays, pregnant rape victims and circumcised girls. Life's rarely fair unfortunately.

On one hand, I find myself agreeing with you (as horrifying as that is for me to find myself saying).

On the other hand, the "life sucks" status quo doesn't necessarily mean we can't (or shouldn't) try to make the world a better place.

I got bullied (not gay, just a nerd) when I was a youngin. When I mentioned it to my parents, I found out that they would rather I get in trouble dealing with it rather than have to live with that. I was told that no one would fight my battles, and trying to get teachers or them to deal with it for me would only make matters worse in the long run. A couple fights later, a couple detentions later, and a couple ass kickings later, I found out that I'm no fighter.

I did get the point across though.

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

Hey! Rule one, buddy!

Don't make me sick the Mods on you!

As a deep victim of bullying, Schools just done care. They are to afraid of the parents of the bully rather then the parents of the victim.
And to people who say its just part of growing up? Why the hack should it be? Yes a good amount of hazing is ok. But if you are like me, bullied where they turned all your friends against you and nearly drove you to suicide, is to much. We need to punish billies and not just forget about it because they are a star on the wrestling team or football.

Personally I see no issue with punching kids for being homosexual/effeminate, after all, you need to reinforce what is wrong, right?

Edit: Notice for alerting users. The above is sarcasm. -Mannahnin

hotsauceman1 wrote:As a deep victim of bullying, Schools just done care. They are to afraid of the parents of the bully rather then the parents of the victim.
And to people who say its just part of growing up? Why the hack should it be? Yes a good amount of hazing is ok. But if you are like me, bullied where they turned all your friends against you and nearly drove you to suicide, is to much. We need to punish billies and not just forget about it because they are a star on the wrestling team or football.

So get a dumbell and bash their heads in. Humanity is a primal species that only respects strength.
I have sympathy for the victims of bullying but there is a way out - become a hard bastard.

Joey wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:As a deep victim of bullying, Schools just done care. They are to afraid of the parents of the bully rather then the parents of the victim.
And to people who say its just part of growing up? Why the hack should it be? Yes a good amount of hazing is ok. But if you are like me, bullied where they turned all your friends against you and nearly drove you to suicide, is to much. We need to punish billies and not just forget about it because they are a star on the wrestling team or football.

So get a dumbell and bash their heads in. Humanity is a primal species that only respects strength.
I have sympathy for the victims of bullying but there is a way out - become a hard bastard.

Yup. Doesn't take a lot of skill to give someone not expecting it a face full of locker.

daedalus wrote:

Joey wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:As a deep victim of bullying, Schools just done care. They are to afraid of the parents of the bully rather then the parents of the victim.
And to people who say its just part of growing up? Why the hack should it be? Yes a good amount of hazing is ok. But if you are like me, bullied where they turned all your friends against you and nearly drove you to suicide, is to much. We need to punish billies and not just forget about it because they are a star on the wrestling team or football.

So get a dumbell and bash their heads in. Humanity is a primal species that only respects strength.
I have sympathy for the victims of bullying but there is a way out - become a hard bastard.

Yup. Doesn't take a lot of skill to give someone not expecting it a face full of locker.

It also doesn't take much for the guy who you gave a face full of locker to beat the gak out of you and torture you online with his friends.

Chowderhead wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

Hey! Rule one, buddy!

Don't make me sick the Mods on you!

Its ok. The Mannster and I have a special relationship and reserve the right to call each other flaming poopy heads of poopy poop, while at the same time knowing that if he comes to town he'll be forced to do my new found fun run of a swig of the Wife's private label wine (Wiener dog wine: red with a little bite) followed by stopping at Wtare to Wine before a movie where we sample a flight of wines, followed by the Flix Brewhouse where we will sit in leather recliners, watch a movie, eat dinner and drink...beer (ok more wine for me). The next morning I'll drag him out of bed to go blow up milk jugs with a few thousand rounds. Tbone will make him throw a ball a few hundred times (but only a few feet as he can't see it more than that).

Manny's He's my little Yankee Buddy.

To the topic. The prospect of bullies is a problem. There's what I would counsel and then there's what I'd do. One is legal and the other involves plyers and a hammer.

And then what? IT was mostly verbal, i get suspended for instigating a fight?
In my school with zero tolerance, it wouldnt have mattered if i was bullied first, all tthat would matter is if i started the fight.

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage.

As someone who agrees with Dan Savage as far as not bullying gay people, I do think that his bomb throwing is counter-productive. This is probably what Frazzled was referring to:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/01/dan-savage-apologizes-for-bullying-during-anti-bullying-speech/

That's probably not the way to speak at a high school in the first place, and then basically saying "U mad bro?" when the people that you've intentionally baited walk out isn't going to improve your situation.

hotsauceman1 wrote:And then what? IT was mostly verbal, i get suspended for instigating a fight?
In my school with zero tolerance, it wouldnt have mattered if i was bullied first, all tthat would matter is if i started the fight.

1. Employ authorities. or
2. Sue the bastards or
3. I plead the Fifth.


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Monster Rain wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage.

As someone who agrees with Dan Savage as far as not bullying gay people, I do think that his bomb throwing is counter-productive. This is probably what Frazzled was referring to:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/01/dan-savage-apologizes-for-bullying-during-anti-bullying-speech/

That's probably not the way to speak at a high school in the first place, and then basically saying "U mad bro?" when the people that you've intentionally baited walk out isn't going to improve your situation.

Exactly. I didn't know this guy from cheese before. Now he's just to me.
I'm against bullying of anyone except tree hugging hippies and people who like cats as a matter of policy, but this doesn't help whatever cause he's pushing. Turns out he's just a dick.

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

I'm evil now. Excellent. I must say though I must be getting slow, its taken until Thursday to be called Evil. I'm getting slow.

Sorry but if you're at being paid to speak at a public high school convention on bulying to high school kids across the nation, then slam Christianity, your a gak head. Anyone who thinks otherwise can push off.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/02/chris-selley-dan-savage-has-become-the-bully/

John Lehmann/National Post
Dan Savage, a leader of the anti-bullying movement, keeps getting caught belittling others.

.Comments Email Twitter inShare.1.A scene from the anti-bullying movement: In Seattle last month, a prominent speaker tells 2,800 high school journalists that the Bible is full of various brands of “bs,” prompting some in the audience to leave. Leaking venom, the anti-bullying advocate heckles them as they depart, calling their reaction “pansy-assed.” He later apologizes for this remark in a blog post: “It was insulting, it was name-calling and it was wrong,” he writes. He might also have mentioned, but did not, that calling someone a “pansy-ass” as he flees an uncomfortable situation is a textbook case of bullying.

....Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery. Only he wrapped that point not just in foul language but in store-brand Bible-bashing: “The Bible is a rabidly pro-slavery document,” he crowed. “Slave-owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War.”

On the positive, this will turn into the semiweekly lets bash Christians thread. WE haven't had one in at least 37 hours so its time.

Its not about bashing christians though, its about honestly looking at the bible and recognizing only select parts of it are followed today. If you ask anyone who thinks gay people are abominations and unnatural where they get that idea from, they always cite the bible. Even the people who've posted on dakka have said the same thing. so in an effort to end bullying against gays, asking christians to stop preaching that part of the bible seems reasonable doesn't it? questioning the bible is not bashing christians. I never even used the word christian in my OP.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

I'm evil now. Excellent. I must say though I must be getting slow, its taken until Thursday to be called Evil. I'm getting slow.

Sorry but if you're at being paid to speak at a public high school convention on bulying to high school kids across the nation, then slam Christianity, your a gak head. Anyone who thinks otherwise can push off.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/02/chris-selley-dan-savage-has-become-the-bully/

John Lehmann/National Post
Dan Savage, a leader of the anti-bullying movement, keeps getting caught belittling others.

.Comments Email Twitter inShare.1.A scene from the anti-bullying movement: In Seattle last month, a prominent speaker tells 2,800 high school journalists that the Bible is full of various brands of “bs,” prompting some in the audience to leave. Leaking venom, the anti-bullying advocate heckles them as they depart, calling their reaction “pansy-assed.” He later apologizes for this remark in a blog post: “It was insulting, it was name-calling and it was wrong,” he writes. He might also have mentioned, but did not, that calling someone a “pansy-ass” as he flees an uncomfortable situation is a textbook case of bullying.

....Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery. Only he wrapped that point not just in foul language but in store-brand Bible-bashing: “The Bible is a rabidly pro-slavery document,” he crowed. “Slave-owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War.”

On the positive, this will turn into the semiweekly lets bash Christians thread. WE haven't had one in at least 37 hours so its time.

Its not about bashing christians though, its about honestly looking at the bible and recognizing only select parts of it are followed today. If you ask anyone who thinks gay people are abominations and unnatural where they get that idea from, they always cite the bible. Even the people who've posted on dakka have said the same thing. so in an effort to end bullying against gays, asking christians to stop preaching that part of the bible seems reasonable doesn't it? questioning the bible is not bashing christians. I never even used the word christian in my OP.

News flash WHAT HE SAID IS BASHING CHRISTIANS. He didn't say what you said. he attacked Christians, then attacked them for walking out, then went meh as an apology. So pardon me if I say feth him right back.
Had he said as I pointed out: " Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery." I would have been just fine. Also, actually talking about bullying and ways to deal with it would have actually been related to the subject of bullying.

Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

I'm evil now. Excellent. I must say though I must be getting slow, its taken until Thursday to be called Evil. I'm getting slow.

Sorry but if you're at being paid to speak at a public high school convention on bulying to high school kids across the nation, then slam Christianity, your a gak head. Anyone who thinks otherwise can push off.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/02/chris-selley-dan-savage-has-become-the-bully/

John Lehmann/National Post
Dan Savage, a leader of the anti-bullying movement, keeps getting caught belittling others.

.Comments Email Twitter inShare.1.A scene from the anti-bullying movement: In Seattle last month, a prominent speaker tells 2,800 high school journalists that the Bible is full of various brands of “bs,” prompting some in the audience to leave. Leaking venom, the anti-bullying advocate heckles them as they depart, calling their reaction “pansy-assed.” He later apologizes for this remark in a blog post: “It was insulting, it was name-calling and it was wrong,” he writes. He might also have mentioned, but did not, that calling someone a “pansy-ass” as he flees an uncomfortable situation is a textbook case of bullying.

....Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery. Only he wrapped that point not just in foul language but in store-brand Bible-bashing: “The Bible is a rabidly pro-slavery document,” he crowed. “Slave-owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War.”

On the positive, this will turn into the semiweekly lets bash Christians thread. WE haven't had one in at least 37 hours so its time.

Its not about bashing christians though, its about honestly looking at the bible and recognizing only select parts of it are followed today. If you ask anyone who thinks gay people are abominations and unnatural where they get that idea from, they always cite the bible. Even the people who've posted on dakka have said the same thing. so in an effort to end bullying against gays, asking christians to stop preaching that part of the bible seems reasonable doesn't it? questioning the bible is not bashing christians. I never even used the word christian in my OP.

News flash WHAT HE SAID IS BASHING CHRISTIANS.

Agreeing with Frazzled on this one.

You can't be a moral crusader against bullying while bullying others.

See: Butterballs.

Frazzled wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:And then what? IT was mostly verbal, i get suspended for instigating a fight?
In my school with zero tolerance, it wouldnt have mattered if i was bullied first, all tthat would matter is if i started the fight.

1. Employ authorities. or
2. Sue the bastards or
3. I plead the Fifth.

Looking back, there where dozens of thing i could have done. But i wouldnt have told my past self that.
for two reasons
1: I hate myself
2: I would tell him it will get better and in the end high school never matters.

Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Thanks for insulting Dan Savage. Every once in a while I start thinking you have some reasonable opinions, then you post something truly mindless and evil.

I'm evil now. Excellent. I must say though I must be getting slow, its taken until Thursday to be called Evil. I'm getting slow.

Sorry but if you're at being paid to speak at a public high school convention on bulying to high school kids across the nation, then slam Christianity, your a gak head. Anyone who thinks otherwise can push off.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/02/chris-selley-dan-savage-has-become-the-bully/

John Lehmann/National Post
Dan Savage, a leader of the anti-bullying movement, keeps getting caught belittling others.

.Comments Email Twitter inShare.1.A scene from the anti-bullying movement: In Seattle last month, a prominent speaker tells 2,800 high school journalists that the Bible is full of various brands of “bs,” prompting some in the audience to leave. Leaking venom, the anti-bullying advocate heckles them as they depart, calling their reaction “pansy-assed.” He later apologizes for this remark in a blog post: “It was insulting, it was name-calling and it was wrong,” he writes. He might also have mentioned, but did not, that calling someone a “pansy-ass” as he flees an uncomfortable situation is a textbook case of bullying.

....Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery. Only he wrapped that point not just in foul language but in store-brand Bible-bashing: “The Bible is a rabidly pro-slavery document,” he crowed. “Slave-owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War.”

On the positive, this will turn into the semiweekly lets bash Christians thread. WE haven't had one in at least 37 hours so its time.

Its not about bashing christians though, its about honestly looking at the bible and recognizing only select parts of it are followed today. If you ask anyone who thinks gay people are abominations and unnatural where they get that idea from, they always cite the bible. Even the people who've posted on dakka have said the same thing. so in an effort to end bullying against gays, asking christians to stop preaching that part of the bible seems reasonable doesn't it? questioning the bible is not bashing christians. I never even used the word christian in my OP.

News flash WHAT HE SAID IS BASHING CHRISTIANS. He didn't say what you said. he attacked Christians, then attacked them for walking out, then went meh as an apology. So pardon me if I say feth him right back.
Had he said as I pointed out: " Mr. Savage was making a perfectly legitimate and age-appropriate point to those high school students: That Christians who resist anti-bullying efforts because the Bible forbids homosexuality could choose to ignore those parts of the Bible, just as they ignore the parts about slavery." I would have been just fine. Also, actually talking about bullying and ways to deal with it would have actually been related to the subject of bullying.

when I use christian, i'm not saying all christians, i'm using christian in the sense of those who think they should have some say over the lives of people who are not even in their church. the ones who think they can dictate the morals of their church to people not of their church. I know no two christians think alike or can even agree on everything in the bible.

but savage was not bashing christians, the kids where there for a staged protest, they started walking out once he said bible. he was baited by trolls and handled it badly. but that also highlights the biggest problem with this issue, on the christian side it seems no one wants to have an honest conversation about the bible, they either walk out and plug their ears, or find some other thing to nit pick over and ignore the original topic. you're only focusing on what savage said at the end of his speech, yet have not said anything about the pastor who tells parents to beat their kids. so you have a pastor advocating child abuse, and how do you think those kids would act in school? they'd think its ok to go and beat people because they act gay. that's why the bible is the starting point, and christians need to make the first move to end this kind of bullying.

the point savage was trying to make is take out your black highlighter and highlight all the passages you think talk about homosexuality. Just add those to the list of passages you don't follow anyways.

If you're being verbally bullied at school, I'm sorry, suck it the feth up.
If you're being physically bullied, lift some weights, learn how to throw a punch, and then after a few months punch the bully's face in.

Amaya wrote:If you're being verbally bullied at school, I'm sorry, suck it the feth up.
If you're being physically bullied, lift some weights, learn how to throw a punch, and then after a few months punch the bully's face in.

The only appropriate response I have for you which follows forum rules is "lol".

Amaya wrote:If you're being verbally bullied at school, I'm sorry, suck it the feth up.
If you're being physically bullied, lift some weights, learn how to throw a punch, and then after a few months punch the bully's face in.

I like how we say SUCK IT UP to the people who need help. Because they are the weakest who need help.
Everyone should feel safe going to school.

Amaya wrote:If you're being verbally bullied at school, I'm sorry, suck it the feth up.
If you're being physically bullied, lift some weights, learn how to throw a punch, and then after a few months punch the bully's face in.

well I spent to much time in cali, and they like letting lawyers talk for them, so for people being bullied, I say sue the parents of the kids doing the bullying.

Being verbally abused by stupid kids at school has never been anything notable or worth getting worked up about. If it really feths you up, then you need to toughen up.
Words are meaningless.

Words are meaningless? Ha.
You obviously have never been the target of verbal abuse by EVERYONE in your class that you cant get out off because of school rules and that it "Isnt a big deal" you onbiously have never faked being sick for a weak so you would have to fo to class to avoid bullie.
In the real world they are meaningless. But to kids they are everything.

He was bashing Christians. Accept it.

Here's a great rule: If you take what you say and substitute out one noun for another and would then not want to say it in front of your grandmother, its bashing.


And here's the special problem.
1. It was on a seminar about bullys
2. It was public school kids across the nation, not some private event of fellow talking heads.

A. Instead of discussing bullying he launches into a tirade about Christianity and the Bible in front of high school kids.

B. When public high school students started walk out he called them "pansy-assed."





To steal a quote from another blogger : Using profanity to deride the bible – and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room — is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling."

Amaya, kids these days live in a world where bullying cannot stop. Cell phones, texting, Facebook and E-Mail are now commonplace bullying places for teens and adolescents. By putting the blame on the victim for not toughening up, you're bullying him as well.

Put the blame on the attacker, not the victim.