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First of all sorry for the delay, guys. I've been really busy last couple of days.
This thread is mainly for discussing how should Painting league be organized. This is how it works (a little bit simplified because we will be painting only Infinity miniatures) on my local forum.
One man is the moderator of the Painting league. His job is to update points lists and set dates. Also he organizes the thread so it can be easy to view (edit some posts and things like that).
Every round of Painting league last two weeks (for example if it starts on May the 6th it will last until May the 20th). During that two weeks you have to paint only one miniature. You can paint more but only one is enough. For every miniature that you paint you get certain amount of points only because you finished it in time. You also get additional points from votes of other Painting league participants. Your final point score is sum of that two. If you don't finish your miniature in time... Well you are a chicken and no points for you in that round (and you will probably have to endure certain amount of mockery from fellow painters). This is very important: The quality of paint job is not important! Off course, people will try to do as best as they can but important thing is to keep painting. We don't want do discourage beginners.
This is my proposition for point values for every finished miniature:

1) small miniatures (for example Nasmats, Pallbots, Crazy Koalas etc.) - 50 points
2) regular size infantry (basically everything LI, MI, HI, SK... ) - 100 points
3) remotes (Kamell, Zond, Yaokong...) - 150 points
4) TAGs - 250 points

Every participant of league will grade every other participants quality of paint job with 1 to 5 points (or 1 to 10, what do you think?). And in the end all points will be added and that would be your final score for that round. You might ask yourself why so little points for quality of paint job. Well because, as I said earlier, it's important to paint and finish your miniatures not qualify for Golden Demon or something. Also it would be nice (but not mandatory) to leave a comment or advice for every miniature you grade. This is a good way to point out mistakes, give advice and help everyone improve their painting skills.

On the begging of every round you only have to declare what mini you will paint that round. In my opinion it's not important to post pics of primed or unassembled mini but you can if you want. Also you can post your WIP pictures as you go. When you finish your miniature you just upload the pics. When the round is over it usually takes one day for everyone to grade other miniatures and than moderator add all points, make the table and declare the winner of the round.

Only important thing is that you finish your mini until the deadline. If you miss the deadline (even if it's for one minute after the midnight of the last day) it doesn't count.

League can last as long as you like. Final "winner" will have the most points in final sum.

So basically, that's it. If you have some suggestions or comments please post them.

It sounds like fun. Any excuse to paint is a good one for me.

Is two weeks too long? When I get really rolling I can knock out a few a week depending on what I'm painting. I guess if I was working on a TAG then a week is pretty short.

Whoever is running the thread could keep an updated Link-Log at the top to everyone who is participating's P&M Blogs (if they have them) so people can check in on others that way... as I'll probably be posting there and in the League thread as well.

1-10 sounds better to me than 1-5. It still puts the focus on painting, but it gives people a little more wiggle room when grading.

Considering a standard Infantry guy is 100 points, between 101 and 110... yeah... not too worried about it.

My only question would be... when do we start?

1-10 you could use the scoring in Dakka's paint gallery, which would help raise Infinity there. Comments can also be left there if no attached P&M blog exists.

My Orks are already hating me...

Sounds good to me, with the 1-10 scoring.

I'm glad you like the plan. Concerning participants grading, I'm totally ok with 1-10 system.

Just to be clear, all grades will be added. So for example if there is 10 participants and 9 of them (because you can't grade your mini) grade miniature with 10 points, in the end that mini will have 190 points (100 from finishing it on time and 90 points from participants grades).

I think that two weeks would be alright because there are people who are short on time, slow painters, have other obligations and so on. Nothing prevents you finish more than one miniature during two weeks.

So, I can volunteer to be moderator but there is one little problem. I'm kinda new on Dakka and I don't know all the stuff about blogs, galleries and such. I can do the accounting (adding points, making lists and that kind of stuff) but it would be great if someone with more Dakka experience could volunteer to do the organizing threads, linking with blogs and such. Also I think it would be easier to divide the job between two moderators. Anyway, we'll see if someone wants to do that, if not, I'll figure it out.

About starting time I think we should wait for painting competition to end (btw, when does it end?) and start after that.

There is a big difference between the average grading being added (ie 101-110 pts per fortnight) and all grades being added (109-190) - may be worth leaving that decision to the eventual participants? The former is going to favour anyone, the latter better painters.

Either way, I still suggest using the Dakka Gallery voting - whether you add the average on the date, or some multiple of it - this would make keeping track of it easier - but would open it up to all of Dakka, not just the participants. If it *had* to be just the participants, scoring can (and often is) left in the image comments too.

Would you score multiple times for completing multiple models, or just your best one for that fortnight? Again, this will favour either fast or slow painters...

Painting competition entries end in a week and a bit. It will probably be a day or two before the voting thread goes up, then five days of public voting, then a couple of days of judging before a final announcement. I'd aim to have your Painting League ready to go once the final winners ar announced - ie about 3 weeks But that's just me...




Edited for wrong comp entry closure date and to not give people heart attacks!

There is a big difference between the average grading being added (ie 101-110 pts per fortnight) and all grades being added (109-190) - may be worth leaving that decision to the eventual participants? The former is going to favour anyone, the latter better painters.

Oh, I get it now. Sorry I misunderstood. Than I'm for average grade being added because we don't want to favour the best painters. The point of the league is encourage all people to paint not only the best. But as you said lets participants decide.

Either way, I still suggest using the Dakka Gallery voting - whether you add the average on the date, or some multiple of it - this would make keeping track of it easier - but would open it up to all of Dakka, not just the participants. If it *had* to be just the participants, scoring can (and often is) left in the image comments too.

I agree with this because it will popularize Infinity among wider community. I think that adding average on the end date would be the best but we can discuss this further if necessary.

Would you score multiple times for completing multiple models, or just your best one for that fortnight? Again, this will favour either fast or slow painters...

For this I'm not sure. I'm aware of favoring fast painters because for experienced painter two weeks is long time. On the other hand I know that there are people (like me, for example) who don't have much time to paint. In my local forum (btw I would gladly link that but it's in serbian so it wouldn't be much help) every entry is scored and added to final score. But they have more complicated system because they paint individual models, Fantasy and 40k units, vehicles and such. Maybe we should do something like this. If you enter multiple models you can chose which one would get full score while others would get their score halved (or something like that). What do you think?

I'd aim to have your Painting League ready to go once the final winners ar announced - ie about 2 weeks But that's just me...

That would be just right. Enough time to iron out all the details and prepare everything.

Guys, post your ideas, suggestions, etc. We have to do this as a community.

Edit: Crap, I messed something with quotes... And I don't know how to fix it.
Edit: Ha, I figured it out. Go me!

Arakasi wrote:There is a big difference between the average grading being added (ie 101-110 pts per fortnight) and all grades being added (109-190) - may be worth leaving that decision to the eventual participants? The former is going to favour anyone, the latter better painters.

Either way, I still suggest using the Dakka Gallery voting - whether you add the average on the date, or some multiple of it - this would make keeping track of it easier - but would open it up to all of Dakka, not just the participants. If it *had* to be just the participants, scoring can (and often is) left in the image comments too.

Would you score multiple times for completing multiple models, or just your best one for that fortnight? Again, this will favour either fast or slow painters...

Painting competition entries end tomorrow. It will probably be a day or two before the voting thread goes up, then five days of public voting, then a couple of days of judging before a final announcement. I'd aim to have your Painting League ready to go once the final winners ar announced - ie about 2 weeks But that's just me...

Dude, Comp models aren't due until the 13th. Not tomorrow.

You almost made me have a heart attack.

Sheesh.

Silly US date format! I have corrected my previous post to avoid killing off the Infinity community....

Here I was thinking I did well to finish mine earlier this week before tomorrow....

Just ignore me in future

Arakasi wrote:Silly US date format!

I'm interested to hear quite how many months you think there are in the year.

Well, that *assumes* I paid attention to the "month" - which I didn't, having already determined that a one month competition starting in April would end in May... sometimes I'm too clever for my own good...

Still, I definitely got my entry painted and submitted on time! I was thinking some people were leaving it a bit late starting in the last couple of days...

Anyway, enough of my rapidly encroaching senility - please let me direct this back to the topic at hand!

Ender0 wrote:Guys, post your ideas, suggestions, etc. We have to do this as a community.

Hi

Sounds like an awesome idea

though 2 weeks seems kinda short.... (or maybe its my ocd when i paint infinity)
personally it takes me 4 weeks to paint something if i am going to show to others (ocd and well i want to post pretty pictures )

Sounds fun though could totally get behind this



....or at least try