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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Sounds kinda neat.

It's fun.

Very different from anything else CMoN has done.

It's good that they're finally launching, although the delays and such leading up to the KS aren't exactly a sign of confidence by CMoN. I'll probably wait until the very end before deciding.

I think it is more down to 'when is the right time to launch this' + 'we just did BLOODRAGE, B-SIEGED and ZOMBICIDE BLACK PLAGUE' = push it out a bit in order to maximize sales vs. any over lack of confidence in the gameplay or miniatures.

The Others could have taken any of those slots, esp. the underwhelming B-seiged, but CMoN pushed the Others back in favor of those 3. The Others was claimed to be ready to launch a long time ago, but CMoN didn't launch it. I take that as a sign of low confidence.

I was eventually willing to give CMON another chance after the Sedition Wars failure by pledging for both Blood Rage and Zombicide Black Plague. Seeing some of the games between Sedition Wars and those hit retail, CMON has redeemed themselves in my eyes. Studio McVey ? Not at all. This one is an easy pass for me. CMON is right to have a lack of confidence given their history with McVey and Sedition Warts.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The Others could have taken any of those slots, esp. the underwhelming B-seiged, but CMoN pushed the Others back in favor of those 3. The Others was claimed to be ready to launch a long time ago, but CMoN didn't launch it. I take that as a sign of low confidence.

I take it more as it wasn't quite ready and needed a bit more polish/playtesting/whatever.

I guess I'm more a 'glass half full kind of guy'?

(Not sure where that's coming from in regards to Kickstarters though!)

The pedigree on this one's pretty good too...

Still, either way, it will be here soon!

I haven't ruled it out, but I'm a lot less excited for the Others than I was. The SMV minis are a bit of a mixed bag for me, but I am glad that the rules have an actual designer behind them. I just need to see the whole KS offer before I decide.

On the plus side, at least CMoN delivers. And they actually, consistently deliver what they say, when they say they will.

None of this Palladium Robotech nonsense - that's a big plus in my book!

 Myrthe wrote:
I was eventually willing to give CMON another chance after the Sedition Wars failure by pledging for both Blood Rage and Zombicide Black Plague. Seeing some of the games between Sedition Wars and those hit retail, CMON has redeemed themselves in my eyes. Studio McVey ? Not at all. This one is an easy pass for me. CMON is right to have a lack of confidence given their history with McVey and Sedition Warts.

Studio McVey's only involvement is the miniatures the same as Blood Rage, they are also responsible for a lot of the Zombicide Black Plague miniatures (Remy now works full time for Studio McVey). Eric Lang and Guillotine Games are responsible for the rest like Blood Rage. Going forward Studio McVey is purely a miniatures studio they will have no involvement in any other part of the process Mike has no interest in doing anything other than miniatures from now on.

It is unfortunate though, as September has so many non-miniature things coming up to compete for dollars. The new Bloodbowl 2 video game is hitting, Destiny: The Taken King is dropping and several pledge managers should be opening too. Dollars are going to be hard won in the coming months, especially with Fallout 4, Star Wars Battlefront and the revolving Call of Duty all dropping soon after.

I think they looked at how long production was going to be tied up with the other campaigns and looked at which one to shove back.

Blood rage looked great and would be ready for Gencon (not pushing it back)
Zombicide:BP, you don't delay your flagship, plus the income from that can cushion more flops.
B-Seiged......well you don't want to end on a sour note, so move that sucker up before Zombicide:BP

The Others unknown, great looking monsters, so so Heros, so we might be able to capitalize on the blood rage sales as people might pick these up because blood rage did so well. Or it will flop but we have the reserve from ZBP to cover the lose. Or it could just break even. So many possibilities with this game but so many people have been pro monsters and anti Heros that it's hard to tell.

The Others was given as Q1 2015, and it's just hard for me to believe that B-Seiged (and Smog) was more promising.

The Others minis have been previewed for at least 15 months... the were at Gencon 2014, and there was talk of the Others launched Q4 2014.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The Others was given as Q1 2015, and it's just hard for me to believe that B-Seiged (and Smog) was more promising.

The Others minis have been previewed for at least 15 months... the were at Gencon 2014, and there was talk of the Others launched Q4 2014.

The gameplay wasn't completely vetted and tested.

Not really any vote of "no confidence" that I see.

B-Sieged is super fun, btw, if not a little long. Not sure you can really call $570K a flop....

 DaveC wrote:

 Myrthe wrote:
I was eventually willing to give CMON another chance after the Sedition Wars failure by pledging for both Blood Rage and Zombicide Black Plague. Seeing some of the games between Sedition Wars and those hit retail, CMON has redeemed themselves in my eyes. Studio McVey ? Not at all. This one is an easy pass for me. CMON is right to have a lack of confidence given their history with McVey and Sedition Warts.

Studio McVey's only involvement is the miniatures the same as Blood Rage, they are also responsible for a lot of the Zombicide Black Plague miniatures (Remy now works full time for Studio McVey). Eric Lang and Guillotine Games are responsible for the rest like Blood Rage. Going forward Studio McVey is purely a miniatures studio they will have no involvement in any other part of the process Mike has no interest in doing anything other than miniatures from now on.

Ah, thanks for the information, DaveC. I didn't realize that Studio McVey had reverted back to a minis-only stance. I had pretty much written them off but it's good that they recognized their strengths and have moved in that direction.

 Myrthe wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 Myrthe wrote:
I was eventually willing to give CMON another chance after the Sedition Wars failure by pledging for both Blood Rage and Zombicide Black Plague. Seeing some of the games between Sedition Wars and those hit retail, CMON has redeemed themselves in my eyes. Studio McVey ? Not at all. This one is an easy pass for me. CMON is right to have a lack of confidence given their history with McVey and Sedition Warts.

Studio McVey's only involvement is the miniatures the same as Blood Rage, they are also responsible for a lot of the Zombicide Black Plague miniatures (Remy now works full time for Studio McVey). Eric Lang and Guillotine Games are responsible for the rest like Blood Rage. Going forward Studio McVey is purely a miniatures studio they will have no involvement in any other part of the process Mike has no interest in doing anything other than miniatures from now on.

Ah, thanks for the information, DaveC. I didn't realize that Studio McVey had reverted back to a minis-only stance. I had pretty much written them off but it's good that they recognized their strengths and have moved in that direction.

And as Dave C said, the playtesting and production of the game is being managed by Guillotine, who has a pretty solid track record so far of not just good testing and rules, but also of punctuality.

I've played the game 1.5 times; it's pretty cool. New Genre for CMoN in that it's a 1 v Many, but I think this is a pretty neat game.

If enough good-looking gribblies come in the box, I might be tempted, but the heroes and game components shown so far don't really appeal.

I have a feeling this one will be a case of "$80 for gribbly monsters, get a free game!", much like Blood Rage...

 Alex C wrote:
If enough good-looking gribblies come in the box, I might be tempted, but the heroes and game components shown so far don't really appeal.

I have a feeling this one will be a case of "$80 for gribbly monsters, get a free game!", much like Blood Rage...

The blood rage that sold out in about 2 hours on gencon Thursday? That one?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
If enough good-looking gribblies come in the box, I might be tempted, but the heroes and game components shown so far don't really appeal.

I have a feeling this one will be a case of "$80 for gribbly monsters, get a free game!", much like Blood Rage...

The blood rage that sold out in about 2 hours on gencon Thursday? That one?

Yes, that one.

The one that many people bought for the miniatures alone, regardless of the actual game.

Sorry if it sounded like a diss, not my intention, just my thoughts from my perspective.

 Alex C wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
If enough good-looking gribblies come in the box, I might be tempted, but the heroes and game components shown so far don't really appeal.

I have a feeling this one will be a case of "$80 for gribbly monsters, get a free game!", much like Blood Rage...

The blood rage that sold out in about 2 hours on gencon Thursday? That one?

Yes, that one.

The one that many people bought for the miniatures alone, regardless of the actual game.

It's OK, most people only backed on KS for the minis, not the actual game. Would have been better if we could have gotten a minis-only pledge...

 Alpharius wrote:
I think it is more down to 'when is the right time to launch this' + 'we just did BLOODRAGE, B-SIEGED and ZOMBICIDE BLACK PLAGUE' = push it out a bit in order to maximize sales vs. any over lack of confidence in the gameplay or miniatures.

I don't see why any company would worry about such considerations. For example look at Mantic, with their kickstarters launching on top of each other while the previous campaigns' pledge managers open simultaneously, piling up customer requests and forming such a swollen bolus of information as to give their workflow the equivalent of a double-whammy arterial clog and Chicago-style colon blockage.

Oh.

Now I get it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
If enough good-looking gribblies come in the box, I might be tempted, but the heroes and game components shown so far don't really appeal.

I have a feeling this one will be a case of "$80 for gribbly monsters, get a free game!", much like Blood Rage...

The blood rage that sold out in about 2 hours on gencon Thursday? That one?

Yes, that one.

The one that many people bought for the miniatures alone, regardless of the actual game.

It's OK, most people only backed on KS for the minis, not the actual game. Would have been better if we could have gotten a minis-only pledge...

I assume you like, totally have stats to back that up.

What a ridiculous claim. It's a game from an incredibly popular designer.

I actually backed Blood Rage for the minis, I wanted to make a WFB viking themed chaos army, before it got Sigmarified. Now at least the round bases will be appropriate I still intend to try playing blood rage and see if it's fun.

I'm sure the others will be a similar format, like $150 pledge for the game and all the freebies and buckets of add-ons. I'm still on the fence, the minis look good but I have so much on my plate right now I'd probably never get around to painting them :(

Unless there's a lot of minis that haven't been shown yet I think I'll pass on this. The monsters look great and the game sounds interesting but the hero minis aren't appealing to me at all and Im not inclined to buy the game if I'm going to substitute other minis for the player characters. I realize it's really just a personal preference and I wish the player character sculpts were as awesome as the monsters but I can't bring myself to back the game if I'm going to discard the character minis.

It's the nature of KS. It's easier to evaluate the quality of a miniature with photos online than it is to try out a boardgame that hasn't even been made yet.

Likewise, 28mm miniatures from one game can be used in another. But if you buy a non-miniatures game and you don't like it -- even if others do -- you might as well have thrown away your money.

As for Eric Lang, I played his earlier game designs (Mystick, Dragonball Z, Game of Thrones CCG, Senator) as well as Quarriors and was pretty "whatever" about it.

OTOH, The Others looks interesting because of its Corruption mechanic, which adds "meaningful decisions" to the tired old "hit points" mechanic.

I already have a closetful of games I enjoy playing, so am in no hurry to spend $100+ on a new game, regardless of how "popular" the designer is.

I only got it for the minis as well. It's not that much of a stretch as there were plenty of people who were asking for the miniatures only. I've read some of the game info and basically I'm going to use some minis, sell the rest off and hold onto the board and cards for later if someone needs replacements. I figure I could sell all the kickstarter exclusives and make most of my cash back if not more. Current plans are to use Fenrir and/or werewolf for the abomiwolf as I don't like that sculpt. The Giants and trolls I'll keep most of, but probably sell the rest.

I don't know if MOST backed BR for the minis but there is no denying that many did.

Well, this is a tabletop war gaming forum, so...

I'd still bet that most of the KS backed it for the game too!

Honestly I never heard of Eric Lange before this game. What else has he made, and do any of them stand up still, or are they "good" games, just dated?

 Theophony wrote:
Honestly I never heard of Eric Lange before this game. What else has he made, and do any of them stand up still, or are they "good" games, just dated?

From BBG:
Notable games:

2015 Blood Rage
2015 XCOM: The Board Game
2015 Dungeons & Dragons Dice Masters: Battle for Faerûn
2014 Arcadia Quest
2014 Warhammer 40,000: Conquest
2014 Marvel Dice Masters: Avengers vs. X-Men
2014 Kaosball: The Fantasy Sport of Total Domination
2012 Star Wars: The Card Game
2011 Quarriors!
2009 Chaos in the Old World
2009 Warhammer: Invasion
2008 A Game of Thrones: The Card Game
2008 Call of Cthulhu: The Card Game
2005 Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation (Deluxe Edition)

I really enjoy Quarriors.

Man, I've been trying to stay out of this 'cause it just pisses me off, but...

The Others rules design isn't by SMV (thanks Sinful, for the list), and even if the rules were by SMV, it wouldn't be by the designer responsible for the poor rules showing out the gate, because he doesn't work for SMV any more (AFAIK, they don't have any game design staff currently).

On The Others, I'm on the fence because I'm not a big fan of co-op vs. one, and, like Prestor said, I prefer the heroes having the best minis, but there are a bunch of great looking monsters, still.