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 Sir Arun wrote:

Wow. Just wow.

Space Hulk isnt even that good of a game.....

The figures are fething beautiful.
The tiles can be used for other similar games.
Some of us would rather play a miniatures game at a table with friends, rather than the simulated version on a PC.

The BloodBowl adaptation on PC is great. Spent many hours on it and remember almost non of them.
Playing actual Bloodbowl with with friends created memories we still laugh and tell war stories about.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
aaand The Outpost has already sold out of everything GW allowed - read - allowed them to have already.

Wow. Just wow.

Space Hulk isnt even that good of a game.

How much you're willing to bet the majority of people who own the board game version have it catching dust for most of the year in their home? Most people probably only get less than a dozen games out of it.

And you can always buy and play it on steam. In fact I got the steam version durin g a steam sale for like 2.50 bucks.

People will go to any lengths to fork over huge sums of money purely based on the concept that the item they are buying is really really valuable in that nobody else can get it a couple days later and how one can sell it for even higher prices on ebay afterward.

Now I know why women crave fancy jewelry so much.

I guess us men have that same gene

Stopped reading at "Not that good of a game"....

I'm talking about 40k boardgames in general.

I have Relic. It's pretty good, but not the kind of stuff you play with your friends every other weekend like regular 40k.

But at least you can still get it.

Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.

If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.

Space hulk is better than that pirate game they made. I'm surprised they didn't release it again after all the spin they put out about it.

 Sir Arun wrote:

Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.

If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.

People keep saying that, but I don't think it would actually work like that.

Space Hulk previously had 2 editions that were not limited availability. When they were not limited, people procrastinated buying it. you can find evidence of that in this very thread.

This way, GWs esitimated their expeceted sales, and following a marketing plan that allows them to sell their entire inventory in a week.

That's an awful, flawed argument to defend a stupid release policy.

I bought the first edition based on positive word of mouth. I skipped the second edition because I already had space hulk, and didn't need the models. I bought the third not because it was limited, but because it was a nice update with great models.

You may as well use that argument for any boxed product to be limited-release, and then left unavailable. To use an example from your own sig, just imagine if Zombicide was a one-run limited release. Are they still on the first run of the initial game? We know they're not, and it's still popular and still sells well.

People can and will procrastinate on buying anything and everything, because we don't have unlimited funds, because we want to try something before we buy it, because other priorities come up. Lots of things in the world still get bought after the first week of release.

And a lot depends on how many they made this run, and how popular the game is. Two variables that no one here knows.

From info I got, I have a wag that the run is about 50% of the last run.If it sells out in a week, they maybe could have used a bit more. If it's a month, i'd say just right. There will still be small amounts in a lot of stores, and of course many gamers bought an extra copy to speculate. If it's around in 6 months, they screwed up and made too many.

 Azazelx wrote:
That's an awful, flawed argument to defend a stupid release policy.

I'm not defending there release policy, I'm explaining it.

If GW expected to sell 40,000 copies of Space Hulk over the next 2 years, to them selling those 40,000 copies in a week is a better deal.

I doubt its going to be on ebay for massive money as before, I doubt it will sell out as quickly as before either.
I bet they make substantially more of them than they did last time around.
It was only one per customer then as well if I am not mistaken, and this time you can have three.

 Rayvon wrote:
I doubt its going to be on ebay for massive money as before, I doubt it will sell out as quickly as before either.
I bet they make substantially more of them than they did last time around.
It was only one per customer then as well if I am not mistaken, and this time you can have three.

They won't.

I already contacted the guy from The Outpost store and he said their quota of preorders GW had allowed them had already sold out.

My thinking is that GW gives every retailer a maximum number of copies they can preorder.

The assumption that they can reorder unlimited amounts of copies after the launch is wild speculation.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I really don't understand GW at all anymore.
They make Space Hulk a limited release so lots of people that want it don't get it. They'll create an overpriced market on ebay. Why don't they just keep it available all the while like their main games.

IIRC, Many copies of 3rd edition were not bought for just the game, but also for the miniatures. Buying the boardgame was MUCH cheaper than buying the mini's individually.

Still true? I'm not looking closely into this game since I have copies of it. Still haven't painted my 1st edition mini's...

ced1106 wrote:
Buying the boardgame was MUCH cheaper than buying the mini's individually.

Still true?

Yes. Getting all the Blood Angels alone on ebay would cost you more than this game right now.

 Azazelx wrote:
You may as well use that argument for any boxed product to be limited-release, and then left unavailable.

/GW's new business strategy.

 PhillyT wrote:
God that games was so good at the time!

Agreed! What a trip down memory lane.

Wow. Costs twice as much as it should, par for the course lately. I wonder if they know that they are hurting sales right now? I mean I would buy it if it was half that, but it is hard to justify that much on a board game. Or a tank. Or a GW whatever. Love the models, but they seem desperate to sell anything at twice what it should cost.

A few bucks more here or there may annoy me, but if I want something enough, I'll buy it. Waaaaaaay overpricing makes me go, "Ooo that's nice I'd really like to buy that - oh....nope. Nevermind.Moving on"

How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc

 Gorgrimm wrote:
Wow. Costs twice as much as it should, par for the course lately. I wonder if they know that they are hurting sales right now? I mean I would buy it if it was half that, but it is hard to justify that much on a board game. Or a tank. Or a GW whatever. Love the models, but they seem desperate to sell anything at twice what it should cost.

A few bucks more here or there may annoy me, but if I want something enough, I'll buy it. Waaaaaaay overpricing makes me go, "Ooo that's nice I'd really like to buy that - oh....nope. Nevermind.Moving on"

How much did the previous version of space hulk cost?

I thought it was the same

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc

'Cause when we bought the last one, which had the same models, it cost less. That's how.

Was out of the hobby when this was released last, the Terminators look great, but how easy / hard would it be to paint / use them as another chapter? How much blood angels bling is there?

Tons. They are covered in all sorts of iconography.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc

Also, they aren't *new* types of models and only usable by one army due to the BA symbols everywhere. Who really needs that many stormbolter terminators? They haven't been useful in game.. uh ever :p So you just have collectors mainly who probably already have the models. All in all, its overpriced for its use. I played my copy a few times, but honestly space hulk isn't that great of a board game compared to fantasy flght games.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:

Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.

If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.

People keep saying that, but I don't think it would actually work like that.

Space Hulk previously had 2 editions that were not limited availability. When they were not limited, people procrastinated buying it. you can find evidence of that in this very thread.

This way, GWs esitimated their expeceted sales, and following a marketing plan that allows them to sell their entire inventory in a week.

But the general availability editions are before the time of most of the current generation of gamers. I don't see any mention of when they pulled the 2nd Edition, but it was launched in 1996 with the LE 3rd edition in 2009, so the last general release was conservatively 7+ years ago (2 years before the LE), meaning most likely any gamers under about 20 (GW's supposed target audience) won't have even seen it.

Most sales of games are usually based on having seen it - but with this by the time someone has given you a look at their box, never mind a demo game, it'll have been sold out. The only people like to buy this LE run are: 1. Gamers old enough to remember the 2nd/3rd Edition with a nostalgia factor 2. Collectors who buy everything 3. Speculators.
It's probably not even useful for the parents buying stuff for Birthdays or Christmas, because it'll be sold out before they can stumble across it. It's literally unavailable to anyone who doesn't pay close attention to the release schedule.

Fango wrote:This marketing works. They are getting 100% sales. AND, they are training us...with their last-minute release announcements COMBINED with their limited quantity antics...to have a bucket full of cash waiting in a "Reserved for impulse buys I can't do without, and would rather not pay 300% for on eBay later" status....

People like Gimgamgoo above (and like myself in the past), have no other option than to anticipate high dollar, must-have releases by setting aside money for them in advance. It's so EVIL because its actually WORKING.

They might be training you to impulse buy every new release, they're training me to stop caring when I miss things I want because I'm sick of it. Given this is a 40k/wargaming forum, I expect this crowd would be the one most likely trained in to hyped up impulse buys. I can tell you now, most my wargaming buddies wouldn't even know of Space Hulk's existence yet, some of them are people who bought the 1996 release of it, yet wouldn't even know this one is out yet.

GW lost me with Stormclaw, I wanted that, I didn't get it, oddly enough I didn't really care any more, normally I'd be pissed off that I missed out on that Wolf Lord.

Yes, GW are training me well, training me to stop caring about their products.

But I guess it fits in well with their strategy of milking the smallest amount of customers for the most amount of money.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Stopped reading at "Not that good of a game"....

I will be honest... I've never seen why people think SH is such an awesome game. It's an okay game, it has nice models and (used to be) a good price. As far as a game in and of itself, I didn't think it was as good as Epic, Gorkamorka, BFG, Aeronautica Imperialis, Mordhiem, Necromunda. I never played Warmaster but I'd hazard a guess I'd probably like that more too

The main appeal to me is it's a game in a box and I can use the models in regular 40k. The genestealers I got from the 1996 release have spent far more time in my Tyranid army than they have on the table in SH. I think I played through most the scenarios of SH in the store before I bought the game, then a couple of times with a couple of mates and haven't played it since. I often think about pulling it out, but I haven't yet.

The main reason I wanted the current SH release is I would like the models, they are just damned sexy.

Bought it, even though I just Ebayed my old set [which didn't have the terminators] because of lack of use I saw an auction on Ebay for just the terminators which had started before the rumours came out. Bidding was at £80 - ouch.

So basically it's overpriced because it costs more than a version that's not actually available at retail and still runs at close to £90 on ebay, and 40K players cannot break it down into cheap units.

Oooooookay. It's a game in a box that's self contained and there is more tiles/setup options than any other major dungeon type game currently at retail, including Mantics KS for Dungeon Sagas. And the minis are not made of that rubbish plastic that bends, has soft or variable detail. As I said, each to their own but I think some people just out to hate on anything GW do. Plus mine cost me £60

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
They might be training you to impulse buy every new release, they're training me to stop caring when I miss things I want because I'm sick of it. Given this is a 40k/wargaming forum, I expect this crowd would be the one most likely trained in to hyped up impulse buys. I can tell you now, most my wargaming buddies wouldn't even know of Space Hulk's existence yet, some of them are people who bought the 1996 release of it, yet wouldn't even know this one is out yet.

I'm in the same boat; I'd be excited for it if I thought there was any chance of actually getting it. There isn't, so after a brief burst of nostalgia (I'd like to play it again) I've stopped caring. I'll let the buzz die down and buy a mint 2nd Ed from ebay for £40

I'm not sure why they don't just release it, when it runs out, release it again. We'll see how limited it might be, but if it sells out in a week, most the people who will have bought it will be people who missed out on the first one or are already established fans.

They're missing out on setting the game up in their stores and using it to draw in new customers, which worked really fething well with the 1996 version. It's pretty much what brought me in to 40k (I had bought a blister of SW to test paint, but SH was the first considerable thing I bought in the 40k line up).

so how much did the 3rd edition initially cost?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tons. They are covered in all sorts of iconography.

Thanks H.B.M.C, good to know

I might be late to the party but did anyone notice this dude has fangs...

Might get it when they regurgitate it in another couple of years.

It seems like a really good entry game for new customers