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With 6th edition rules on it's way, many people are wondering how the game will change this time.
So, what would people here on dakka dakka like to see in the new rules?

Less whining and gnashing of teeth?

/sarcasm

No more crazy wound allocation.

It would be nice to have a better wounding method, and I would also like to see a slightly less OP ID usage, as it doesn't feel right that a 5-wound MC or special character can just be killed in one small blow...

Haven't we already done this????

I agree with Solo however, a change to Wound Allocation please.

Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

Sounds good, but it would kinda overpower CC armies like orks and nids, with the current playstyle..
Maybe if those models were cheaper...

I would like to replace the FoC with percentages. It would scale much better then the current system of fixed slots.

Vehicles should be able to split fire. Maybe just 2 targets a turn for a single vehicles(+1 for PotMS) It would make vehicles with anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons(most vehicles) to be alot more useful.

Heck, i'd like to see anyone be able to split fire. I'm sick of my guys with bolters doing nothing while their missile fires at a far off vehicle when there is enemy infantry within bolter range.

So long as 6th retains the majority of how 5th works, while changing things like vehicles and wound allocation to fix problems, I'm happy.

What I don't want is Warhammer 40k: fantasy edition.

Grey Templar wrote:I would like to replace the FoC with percentages. It would scale much better then the current system of fixed slots.

Vehicles should be able to split fire. Maybe just 2 targets a turn for a single vehicles(+1 for PotMS) It would make vehicles with anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons(most vehicles) to be alot more useful.

Heck, i'd like to see anyone be able to split fire. I'm sick of my guys with bolters doing nothing while their missile fires at a far off vehicle when there is enemy infantry within bolter range.

I like that idea, I've always been annoyed at how a vehicle that has 1 man per gun cant fire at multiple targets, as if they are all just one very small brain...

Ribon Fox wrote:Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

I don't see why we need overwatch. With orders we can advance on an enemy unit and fire off 140 lasgun shots from a 50 man blob at close range. TBH Guard needs to be nerfed if anything, with vets, vendettas, and Chimeras probably being the top ten units in the game for their type.

Or some clever sod could just heavy bolter spam the lot of you XD

EDIT: Or auto cannons, or lascannons... Guard don't like being spammed by anything, they are about being the spammers! XP

A balanced game. Is that too much to ask?

Luke_Prowler wrote:A balanced game. Is that too much to ask?

Yes.

Removal of KP's

Adjusted vehicle shooting rules

More infantry actions (digging in, gapping obstacles, spotting for other units/artillery/etc)

More mission types/assymetrical objectives (one player may have Sieze Ground, the other may have Annihilation, etc)

Real flyer rules rather than them being hamfisted Fast Skimmers with several additional SR's tacked on.

FNP 5+

More cover 5+ (Ruins remain 4+ ideally)

No more wound allocation.

Buttons wrote:

Ribon Fox wrote:Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

I don't see why we need overwatch. With orders we can advance on an enemy unit and fire off 140 lasgun shots from a 50 man blob at close range. TBH Guard needs to be nerfed if anything, with vets, vendettas, and Chimeras probably being the top ten units in the game for their type.

Yeah, foot guard is just too strong.

Testify wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Ribon Fox wrote:Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

I don't see why we need overwatch. With orders we can advance on an enemy unit and fire off 140 lasgun shots from a 50 man blob at close range. TBH Guard needs to be nerfed if anything, with vets, vendettas, and Chimeras probably being the top ten units in the game for their type.

Yeah, foot guard is just too strong.

It isn't too strong, especially not compared to Mech Guard, the main reason it is good is that people expect to face Mech Guard so are overwhelmed by the sheer number of models. If you plan to fight an army of terminators and end up fighting a green tide, odds are you won't do well. Pretty much foot guard is good because the meta is mechanized.


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Wrakkar wrote:Or some clever sod could just heavy bolter spam the lot of you XD

EDIT: Or auto cannons, or lascannons... Guard don't like being spammed by anything, they are about being the spammers! XP

Not many people use heavy bolters in the mech meta, and lascannons are pretty meaningless against foot guard. Oh you killed a single guardsman with that lascannon, it hurts so much.</sarcasm>

Buttons wrote:

Testify wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Ribon Fox wrote:Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

I don't see why we need overwatch. With orders we can advance on an enemy unit and fire off 140 lasgun shots from a 50 man blob at close range. TBH Guard needs to be nerfed if anything, with vets, vendettas, and Chimeras probably being the top ten units in the game for their type.

Yeah, foot guard is just too strong.

It isn't too strong, especially not compared to Mech Guard, the main reason it is good is that people expect to face Mech Guard so are overwhelmed by the sheer number of models. If you plan to fight an army of terminators and end up fighting a green tide, odds are you won't do well. Pretty much foot guard is good because the meta is mechanized.


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Wrakkar wrote:Or some clever sod could just heavy bolter spam the lot of you XD

EDIT: Or auto cannons, or lascannons... Guard don't like being spammed by anything, they are about being the spammers! XP

Not many people use heavy bolters in the mech meta, and lascannons are pretty meaningless against foot guard. Oh you killed a single guardsman with that lascannon, it hurts so much.</sarcasm>

Unless someone planned for both, and brought large blasts with high strength


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Buttons wrote:

Testify wrote:

Buttons wrote:

Ribon Fox wrote:Over-watch please, my Guard would love that back
Nothing better that having you move into my line of fire then being withered to nothing due to big bullets coming towards you and you not being able to do any thing about it. I would bring back some form of tactics to the game if you know that a lane of movement has been closed down and you have to think of an alternative rout to my squishy Guard

I don't see why we need overwatch. With orders we can advance on an enemy unit and fire off 140 lasgun shots from a 50 man blob at close range. TBH Guard needs to be nerfed if anything, with vets, vendettas, and Chimeras probably being the top ten units in the game for their type.

Yeah, foot guard is just too strong.

It isn't too strong, especially not compared to Mech Guard, the main reason it is good is that people expect to face Mech Guard so are overwhelmed by the sheer number of models. If you plan to fight an army of terminators and end up fighting a green tide, odds are you won't do well. Pretty much foot guard is good because the meta is mechanized.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Wrakkar wrote:Or some clever sod could just heavy bolter spam the lot of you XD

EDIT: Or auto cannons, or lascannons... Guard don't like being spammed by anything, they are about being the spammers! XP

Not many people use heavy bolters in the mech meta, and lascannons are pretty meaningless against foot guard. Oh you killed a single guardsman with that lascannon, it hurts so much.</sarcasm>

Touche

Yes a change to ID would be good.
If they are changing to
Move
Assualt
Shooting
Some sort of Overwatch or Reaction Fire would be needed

mmm... overwatch...

In no particular order:

1) Redefinition of removed from play, removed from play as a casualty, destroyed, etc. to all mean the same thing in game terms.

2) More control of how reserves come in rather than being entirely random.

3) Toning down of ID

4) KPs based on unit cost

5) Movement being less random, and having to move your models fewer times per turn (consolidate run and charge moves into your initial movement)

6) Objectives scored per turn held then extra points for ones held at the end of the game.

juraigamer wrote:So long as 6th retains the majority of how 5th works, while changing things like vehicles and wound allocation to fix problems, I'm happy.

What I don't want is Warhammer 40k: fantasy edition.

Yes please. Im actually fairly happy with 5th, as is my group as a whole. I hope it dosent change too drastically.

Maelstrom808 wrote:In no particular order:

1) Redefinition of removed from play, removed from play as a casualty, destroyed, etc. to all mean the same thing in game terms.

2) More control of how reserves come in rather than being entirely random.

3) Toning down of ID

4) KPs based on unit cost

5) Movement being less random, and having to move your models fewer times per turn (consolidate run and charge moves into your initial movement)

6) Objectives scored per turn held then extra points for ones held at the end of the game.

I like the ones about objectives and reserves, but as one thread has shown me, toning down ID might not always be good for everything...

Yeah, removing ID would make the Doom of Malan'tai rather invincible.

Nalathani wrote:Yeah, removing ID would make the Doom of Malan'tai rather invincible.

Just a li'l bit, yeah.

It would be tough, not invincible though. If it's really a concern, errata DoM to be particularly vulnerable to it. It's silly to cripple entire catagories of units to keep a couple specific units from being OP.

Or rather putting in levels of ID and EW.

Level 1 ID = weapons that are double your Toughness

Level 1 Eternal Warrior = Immune to Level 1 ID, instead suffer 2 wounds from double your toughness wounds. This is standard on all ICs and MCs.


Level 2 ID = Activated Force Weapons

Level 2 ID = Immune to Level 1 and Level 2 ID, instead suffer 2 wounds from Level 2 and Level 1 instant death wounds. This would be things that have EW currently.

Grey Templar wrote:Or rather putting in levels of ID and EW.

Level 1 ID = weapons that are double your Toughness

Level 1 Eternal Warrior = Immune to Level 1 ID, instead suffer 2 wounds from double your toughness wounds. This is standard on all ICs and MCs.


Level 2 ID = Activated Force Weapons

Level 2 ID = Immune to Level 1 and Level 2 ID, instead suffer 2 wounds from Level 2 and Level 1 instant death wounds. This would be things that have EW currently.

Good idea. I think the "leaked" 6th rules had something similar...

They did it worked quite nicely in the play testing we did.

Good to hear
If it's not in the official 6th, I may make it a house rule

Grey Templar wrote:This is standard on all ICs and MCs.

So the DoM wouldn't change as it's neither of these.