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I just can't believe all this talk about allies. I just can't understand how GW did lots of work to get rid of them and for 6 months, we finally had no allies in 5th edition, but to bring it back in 6th edition makes no sense to me. Before it was like taboo to use them, but now it seems alot, and I mean alot of people are excited about using it and having another codex in their army. Since it was considered cheesy to do so before, and seeing now how say GK and SW can ally with each other, would you be TFG now?

Would you even play agaisnt people like that? I think if I see a person who does exactly this and only cherry picks the best of both codicies, I don't think I will play that person. Why, I don't think I would have a fun game. If a person can't use his codex but has to use allies and cherry picks the best units to me you are TFG. Now if you use it for fluff reasons and they are not the best units and not cherry picking, then I would play because that would be a fun game then.

So what do the members of Dakka Dakka think? Are you TFG if you cherry pick the best units of 2 codicies?

in short no

I will be useing allies to do this

Stormraven
2 stormtalons (cant do it i know, so will hav to ask permision)
stormeagle
6 landspeeders (ravenwing)
2 ravenwing attack sqauds with attack bikes
Liby on bike (to test new powers)
Sammael

I look foward to useing an incredibly fast force to outmanuever my oponents and i it will look cool as hell

I personally don't think I'd do it, but I don't think I have a specific issue with the bare concept of it. Naturally, we'll need to see how it works in game, but my tolerance for cheese is pretty high, so I'm still hopeful.

TFG is TFG, you know who they are whether they use allies or not.

Using allies for fun and/or fluffy games will not make you TFG. If you are doing it to be a bit more competitive in a competitive setting, not really. If you go out of your way to use/abuse it to WAAC, then you are "probably" TFG. Not necessarily, but "probably".

Its going to be killer. Of course there will be copious amounts of abusive douchebaggery like GK SW but i plan to inject my templars with my guardsmen and i've got a whole back story for it. Plus, i wouldn't mind having a stormraven, just wondering whether or not my templars can hop in for a ride.

Allies rules were included for one reason only by GW: To sell more kits to more players who didn't buy them before.

Case in point, my blood angels will probably be fielding a storm talon alongside a Codex: Space Marines librarian and scout squad at some point in the future.

The required HQ + Troop to unlock 1 choice from other slots is a tax, and granted Grey Hunters/Rune Priests are hardly considered bad units but a player can't just cherry pick the hot sauce from their ally book.

In the long run players will use allies to shore up weaknesses in their army lists, thus making just about every list an all-rounder at tournaments. Unless some broken combo interacts with the entire new ruleset (which we haven't seen and digested yet), i don't think using Allies will make you TFG. Mostly because now everyone has some sort of access to it (except tyranids but from what i've seen Monstrous Creatures are getting a huge buff).

My thoughts, anyway.

We don't even know any of the specifics of how allies work. We can't say anything about how it might effect the meta or how competitive games will line up.

tetrisphreak wrote:Allies rules were included for one reason only by GW: To sell more kits to more players who didn't buy them before.
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Except it'd mean purchasing less kits of your own army, so that's bs.
OP - doubtful. There's not many combinations that are "overpowered" really, but there's some that are interesting.

I wonder if there are any extra restrictions on the Allied choices you can take. Like if you take an Ork Warboss on a bike, can you also take a biker nobs mob as a Troops choice? That should be a pretty potent allied unit.

I will be wanting to put my White Scar Bikers and either Stormtalon or Scouts and Speeder Storm in with GK or BA. Cheese much?

Testify wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Allies rules were included for one reason only by GW: To sell more kits to more players who didn't buy them before.
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Except it'd mean purchasing less kits of your own army, so that's bs.
OP - doubtful. There's not many combinations that are "overpowered" really, but there's some that are interesting.

Really? BS? I am constantly buying models - who do you know that buys only EXACTLY the models needed for 1500 point list and never buys anything else? That's the BS. Most people I know buy lots of different kits so they can CHANGE their lists between games and tournaments. Allies are opening up model kits to players who previously didn't even think of buying them - they couldn't use them ever. Having the option to ally gives people a substantial reason to go ahead and splurge on the Grey Knight terminator box, or a strike squad box, when all they played before was Imperial Guard or Space Wolves (as an example).

Anybody who doesn't think GW is in this for the money above all else is deluding themselves. Personally I just hope the game is still fun to play allies or not.

I wouldn't say so, I reckon it'll actually encourage fluffy lists.

For example, I'm making Death Guard with nurgle daemon allies and Epidemius.

Formosa wrote:in short no

I will be useing allies to do this

Stormraven
2 stormtalons (cant do it i know, so will hav to ask permision)
stormeagle
6 landspeeders (ravenwing)
2 ravenwing attack sqauds with attack bikes
Liby on bike (to test new powers)
Sammael

I look foward to useing an incredibly fast force to outmanuever my oponents and i it will look cool as hell

Now the quesiton is, who is going to be your HQ and Troop choice in order to get the Stormraven? Can't remember what a Stormtalon is, but would let you use it since it's for fun.

It will entirely depend on how the rule works.

Especially who can ally with whom and then how much, restriction etc.

But on reading it, my first thought was 'good grief, GK/IG blended bs'.

The libby on a bike could be his HQ from blood angels, and a fast razorback could keep up with the rest of the list and count as his troop unit.


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Davor wrote:

Formosa wrote:in short no

I will be useing allies to do this

Stormraven
2 stormtalons (cant do it i know, so will hav to ask permision)
stormeagle
6 landspeeders (ravenwing)
2 ravenwing attack sqauds with attack bikes
Liby on bike (to test new powers)
Sammael

I look foward to useing an incredibly fast force to outmanuever my oponents and i it will look cool as hell

Now the quesiton is, who is going to be your HQ and Troop choice in order to get the Stormraven? Can't remember what a Stormtalon is, but would let you use it since it's for fun.

What? No! That's a stupid question. If you exploit any given rule you're in TFG territory, but if I take a tactical squad in my IG army I'm hardly breaking the game.

If this rumour just so happens to be true when it drops, I might just sit out a lot of 6th ed. I'm personally not a fan of allies, not even in the slightest, regardless of whether or not my opponent is TFG, I just don't like it.

But no, you're not automatically TFG for using a rule in an edition, that's just stupid.

Blacksails wrote:If this rumour just so happens to be true when it drops, I might just sit out a lot of 6th ed. I'm personally not a fan of allies, not even in the slightest, regardless of whether or not my opponent is TFG, I just don't like it.

But no, you're not automatically TFG for using a rule in an edition, that's just stupid.

Sitting out of an edition based on one rule seems a little knee-jerky. But hey, if you don't enjoy the game i understand not playing. I'd suggest at least a couple games first before bowing out. God knows we don't need a mass exodus of players like when WFB 8th came out.... :-/

Testify wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Allies rules were included for one reason only by GW: To sell more kits to more players who didn't buy them before.
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Except it'd mean purchasing less kits of your own army, so that's bs.

Heh, of course it isn't, if you'd actually think about it for a bit. Which is the more likely scenario? That someone is going to add some IG allies to their space marines, and stop buying right there, or at some point decide that since they've got a start to an IG army, and some of those other kits looks good, why not flesh it out some more?

Blacksails wrote:If this rumour just so happens to be true when it drops, I might just sit out a lot of 6th ed. I'm personally not a fan of allies, not even in the slightest, regardless of whether or not my opponent is TFG, I just don't like it.

But no, you're not automatically TFG for using a rule in an edition, that's just stupid.

It's not a rumor, it's in the rulebook. It's been confirmed in White Dwarf and in shots of the rulebook itself. Some armies can and can't ally, and there are degrees of alliance. For instance, Chaos Marines and Chaos Daemons are easy allies, while an alliance between Chaos Marines and Orks may be a bit more strained. How exactly this is played out in-game is still a mystery, whether it's through points allowance or what, but it's still in there. Besides, nobody says you have to take allies! You can take the same army as ever and just have a little more variety in what's at the other end of your barrel.

It's really no surprise or big issue that GW are going to do things to try and sell more models. I don't see how you can complain about that when you understand they are a business.

I personally think it's a great thing and I look forward to seeing all the creativity people make of the possibility within their painting and modelling. People who create WAAC armies will do it in any set up, who cares. People who create silly armies, Tau with waagh banners etc. already existed. If pink necrons or angry marines never bothered you why would this?

tetrisphreak wrote:

Blacksails wrote:If this rumour just so happens to be true when it drops, I might just sit out a lot of 6th ed. I'm personally not a fan of allies, not even in the slightest, regardless of whether or not my opponent is TFG, I just don't like it.

But no, you're not automatically TFG for using a rule in an edition, that's just stupid.

Sitting out of an edition based on one rule seems a little knee-jerky. But hey, if you don't enjoy the game i understand not playing. I'd suggest at least a couple games first before bowing out. God knows we don't need a mass exodus of players like when WFB 8th came out.... :-/

I should have clarified; the allies rule will be the piece of straw that broke the camel's back for me, if most of the rumours are true. I'll obviously pick up the rules, read em through, try and get a few games in before judging, but it certainly doesn't bode well for me, particularly if the fluff goes the route the rumours are saying it will.

yeah the liby on a bike will be my HQ, dont know how BA work but does a captain on a bike also unlock bikes as troops?

Brother SRM wrote:
It's not a rumor, it's in the rulebook. It's been confirmed in White Dwarf and in shots of the rulebook itself. Some armies can and can't ally, and there are degrees of alliance. For instance, Chaos Marines and Chaos Daemons are easy allies, while an alliance between Chaos Marines and Orks may be a bit more strained. How exactly this is played out in-game is still a mystery, whether it's through points allowance or what, but it's still in there. Besides, nobody says you have to take allies! You can take the same army as ever and just have a little more variety in what's at the other end of your barrel.

Good to know. I've been gone for two weeks on survival training so I missed the last batch of news regarding 6th. I'm not concerned about what it will do to my army, but what it will do to all my opponent's armies. In the waning days of the Inquisition codex, I played a number of games against armies using the allies rule, and every combination, regardless of whether or not it was powerful or weak, just bothered me. I can't explain why, just one of those rules that rubs me the wrong way for no real reason. Maybe I have a problem, but it is what it is for me.

That being said, I would never judge my opponent based solely on whether or not he/she brings allies to a game.

Glorioski wrote:
I personally think it's a great thing and I look forward to seeing all the creativity people make of the possibility within their painting and modelling. People who create WAAC armies will do it in any set up, who cares. People who create silly armies, Tau with waagh banners etc. already existed. If pink necrons or angry marines never bothered you why would this?

This is basically my reasoning. The competitive players can get more competitive, the wackier players can get more wacky, and the fluffy players can get more fluffy. It evens the playing field a little bit (while adding some combinations I don't like) but Chaos Marines getting their daemons back is just so great. Allying IG or Marines with Inquisition forces is doable again, and now I've even got some incentive to start a small Eldar army to accompany my Marines in a battle. It's smart on GW's part, since while someone like me may only initially get a few units to make an allied force, I could potentially end up starting a whole new army based on that. It's one of GW's smartest maneuvers in the past few years, and one that could have a very good effect on gameplay.

Formosa wrote:yeah the liby on a bike will be my HQ, dont know how BA work but does a captain on a bike also unlock bikes as troops?

Sadly no. BA librarians can take bikes though, and since you only get 1 ally HQ slot he'd fit there best.

A squad of assault marines with a melta gun in a Las/Plas (fast) razorback is 165 points. The libby on the bike is like 130 or so. Then your storm raven is 200+ points. So to do your list you need to make sure you've got about 500 points to dump into the boys in red.

Who can crons ally with?
I didn't pick up the WD.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Who can crons ally with?
I didn't pick up the WD.

We don't know yet. There was a chart from a few months ago that keeps getting posted, but it's from a random tournament somewhere and not the actual rulebook. We'll know in a week with the new rulebook, as the only information in the WD for alliances is some Chaos/Chaos and Imperial/Imperial allied armies.

My guess would be most codexs, maybe not Orks, Eldar, or Nids, but all the others would be plausable.