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Can I just get clarification? As far as we.yet know, do allies count towards a normal FOC and not a seperate "Ally FOC?"

By that I mean could I take a 10 man Pally unit and nornal SM scouts andDraigo and it would be legal?

From everything I've seen it's separate, you have to take 1 HQ and 1 Troop of the allied force, which then unlocks 1 more Troop, 1 Elite, 1 Fast Attack, and 1 Heavy Support.

Grey Templar wrote:
Lord Commissar and Blob Squad to unlock either/or/both Vendettas, LRBTs, and Basilisks. Alternativly they might got for a heavy weapon focused platoon if they need some more long range fire support(GKs, Orks, Space Marines)

GKs. Could be either Crowe and some Purifiers along with a Rifleman dred, or Grandmaster/Libby along with some Terminators. Basically for armies that want some CC support.

Lord Commissar is a decent option, but the Primaris Psyker may also be a very good choice depending on which powers he has access to. Something to increase cover saves, or that power that allows Overwatch to be at regular BS could all greatly benefit a home-base blob squad.

As for Crowe, I think it has been stated that no named characters can be taken as allies.

I dont see allies as a bad thing. In sub 2k games it forces many players who would only take the requisite 2 troops to now take 3 if they want to take some allied crap. Which I am fine with.

MandalorynOranj wrote:From everything I've seen it's separate, you have to take 1 HQ and 1 Troop of the allied force, which then unlocks 1 more Troop, 1 Elite, 1 Fast Attack, and 1 Heavy Support.

So I MUST take an HQ and troop and not just either?

yes you are required to take 1 troop and 1 hq then can take 0-1 from other slots, and up to 1 more troop.

Right. Those are mandatory.

A damn. I had a great list in mind where I could actually field 10 Paladins and a Dreadknight. So sick of having 5 man squads.

All these people going on about how it is not fluffy for this army to team up with this one while facing that is getting annoying. You can create your own fluff for each enemy you face. If the GK and SW are in the same area and facing Necrons, they aren't going to go, "Sorry can't help, its not in the main fluff in our universe. Have to go it on your own." They will help out their fellow Marines fighting for the Imperium.

Stop getting your underwear in a twist over such silly things as the same side coming together to fight a common enemy that isn't written down somewhere. We play in a game where there has been 10,000years of warfare to choose from. You really think these battles haven't happened at some point?

Azza007 wrote:All these people going on about how it is not fluffy for this army to team up with this one while facing that is getting annoying. You can create your own fluff for each enemy you face. If the GK and SW are in the same area and facing Necrons, they aren't going to go, "Sorry can't help, its not in the main fluff in our universe. Have to go it on your own." They will help out their fellow Marines fighting for the Imperium.

Stop getting your underwear in a twist over such silly things as the same side coming together to fight a common enemy that isn't written down somewhere. We play in a game where there has been 10,000years of warfare to choose from. You really think these battles haven't happened at some point?

Very true, even GW changes the fluff to go with what ever their current flavor is. Just look at any book by Matt Ward.

I don't think it makes you a TFG, I think it actually helps the game.

I now have a reason to be excited for releases that are not for armies I play, because I will be able to take some of the new things in my army. I don't have to buy whole armies anymore, I can just buy a few units to add to my existing armies. It also means I don't have to buy as much, as I can combine the armies I already have to form larger forces.

Plus, tons of odd-ball armies are now possible. Mercenaries, LoTD, Corsairs and Tau-human alliances are now playable, which gives more variation to the table top.

Honestly, I was just about ready to shelve my stuff and go to Warmahordes, but this allies thing got me.

So GW says "Screw it, we're not supporting GT's anymore", and a few weeks later, allies are reintroduced. They'll sell more models and not have to hear any of the bickering. This was perhaps a clever ruse, methinks!

tgjensen wrote:I wonder if there are any extra restrictions on the Allied choices you can take. Like if you take an Ork Warboss on a bike, can you also take a biker nobs mob as a Troops choice? That should be a pretty potent allied unit.

or, for that matter, can I take an SM captain and take a unit of bikes as thr troop choice (pretty much the same thing)?

I think everything like that will work as normal.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

Azza007 wrote:All these people going on about how it is not fluffy for this army to team up with this one while facing that is getting annoying. You can create your own fluff for each enemy you face. If the GK and SW are in the same area and facing Necrons, they aren't going to go, "Sorry can't help, its not in the main fluff in our universe. Have to go it on your own." They will help out their fellow Marines fighting for the Imperium.

Stop getting your underwear in a twist over such silly things as the same side coming together to fight a common enemy that isn't written down somewhere. We play in a game where there has been 10,000years of warfare to choose from. You really think these battles haven't happened at some point?

Very true, even GW changes the fluff to go with what ever their current flavor is. Just look at any book by Matt Ward.

And Phil Kelly, and Cruddnce.

Again, WARD MADE NOTHING UP. everything in his books thats caused massive amounts of rage was in the fluff before. Only the various SCs were new.

And just because a Codex has someone's name on the cover doesn't mean he wrote the whole thing. Codices are collaberative efforts from the entire design team, its just that one person is the main writer(meaning he writes the rules)

is it just me or does it seem like Vostroyan IG and SW are a match made in heaven...

Grey Templar wrote:Again, WARD MADE NOTHING UP. everything in his books thats caused massive amounts of rage was in the fluff before. Only the various SCs were new.

And just because a Codex has someone's name on the cover doesn't mean he wrote the whole thing. Codices are collaberative efforts from the entire design team, its just that one person is the main writer(meaning he writes the rules)

No, I am pretty sure that Ward sits in his office at the gw headquarters, big cigar in his mouth, glass of bourbon in his hand, and he thinks up ways to get more money out of the waac crowd while making us good natured players angry by ruining what was a very serious and well written universe single handedly. I mean seriously, team of writers? Collaborative efforts? Next youre going to tell us the illuminati are behind crop circles. Put your tin foil hat on, and go back to your basement sir, we have no need for your kind on this rational discussion board.

sirlotsofpain wrote:is it just me or does it seem like Vostroyan IG and SW are a match made in heaven...

Or vosotroyans and sanguinary guard....vosotroyans and paladins.....or vosotroyans and deathwing. Now that I think about it, vosotroyans would look pretty sick next to any elite marine army.

Grey Templar wrote:Again, WARD MADE NOTHING UP. everything in his books thats caused massive amounts of rage was in the fluff before. Only the various SCs were new.

And just because a Codex has someone's name on the cover doesn't mean he wrote the whole thing. Codices are collaberative efforts from the entire design team, its just that one person is the main writer(meaning he writes the rules)

Not exactly. He often borrows fluff from older material, but then modifies it slightly to make his protagonists that much more superkewlusa#1. Some of the little blurb stories are also all him. And the SC are his worst offenses.

Omegus wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Again, WARD MADE NOTHING UP. everything in his books thats caused massive amounts of rage was in the fluff before. Only the various SCs were new.

And just because a Codex has someone's name on the cover doesn't mean he wrote the whole thing. Codices are collaberative efforts from the entire design team, its just that one person is the main writer(meaning he writes the rules)

Not exactly. He often borrows fluff from older material, but then modifies it slightly to make his protagonists that much more superkewlusa#1. Some of the little blurb stories are also all him. And the SC are his worst offenses.

Like Phil Kelly did with Vect? It's not surprisingly uncommon anyways with the three writers, only Robert of the three is more nuanced (or at least, he just re-writes the old fluff and sticks it in)

Draigo-chapter master of the grey knights kills demons

OMG GUIZE WARD RUINED THE FLUFF FOR EVERYTHING BAAWWWWWWWW

Straken-carries a man across a fething continent alone, punches space marines in the face all day because he is half bionic

Sweet, makes sense.

Sanguinor-blood angels demon/psychic manifestation/reincarnated hero that randomly shows up and kills things

HURR SOOOOO STUPID WARD IS DUM

Vect-uber badass dark eldar who rose from the ranks of nothing to being awesome by his wits alone

yeah, no problems here.

IG come out

OMG IG ARE BROKEN

Vanilla marines and blood angels come out

well they are kind of cool I guess

Space wolves come out

OMG NOBODY CAN BEAT THEM JAWS IS IMBA, BAWWWLONG FANGS

Nids come out

BAAAWWW WORST BOOK EVER

Grey knights come out

WARD RUINED THE FLUFF AND THE RULES AND NOBODY CAN BEAT THEM.

I like how when something isnt to somebody's preference in a Ward book, its because of Ward. But when its an issue with a not Ward book, its just a problem with that codex. People moan about purifiers=Ward is incompetent. People moan about long fangs=long fangs are broken, but Kelly is never mentioned.

Omegus wrote:As for Crowe, I think it has been stated that no named characters can be taken as allies.

Incorrect. There is no restriction on named characters, this has been confirmed by multiple people with actual rulebooks, as well as GW suggesting multiple named characters on their allies page.

I feel like if it becomes cheesy, then the community will adapt. Allies are optional, nobody's forcing you to take them, so many would view it as a "non-essential" rule. Some LFGS tourneys may simply post a rule that says no allies used in tournaments, and that would solve the problem of people cheesing it up in tourneys.

As for fun at home, it at least gives backing to those who would want allies for fluff reasons. For example, my regiment of Guard in the fluff that I wrote served as heavy armour support with Raven Guard, not necessarily as a supplement but as an "finger" of the SM.

If I had a scout marine squad and a few veteran Marines to act as commanders fluff-wise, what do I get that I didn't have already? Same weapons as my IG and the scouts are about equal to what I could upgrade my vets to. I just like the look of having some non-bulky SM models and the coolness factor of the Astartes gracing my regiment.

I understand that someone handpicking IG's best artillery and throwing in some GK psykers and a Land Raider or two is something less desirable, but I don't think it'll be common enough to cause a major concern. Plus the communal "good" you get from having people again able to field fluff-based armies such as Inquisition IG or something similar I believe would far outweigh the "bad" you get from people cheesing the game.

But hey, that's just my 3 bits.

If I see fluffly allies, I'll allow it. But if I see GK with SW, your ass isn't getting a game. Bottom line.

I still can't understand why people think allies are mandatory... bookless fools.

juraigamer wrote:If I see fluffly allies, I'll allow it. But if I see GK with SW, your ass isn't getting a game. Bottom line.

I still can't understand why people think allies are mandatory... bookless fools.

SO what About my idea of DA/Tau. I'm just asking for an honest opinion.

juraigamer wrote:If I see fluffly allies, I'll allow it. But if I see GK with SW, your ass isn't getting a game. Bottom line.

I still can't understand why people think allies are mandatory... bookless fools.

And that's understandable because that's something that probably just shouldn't be mixed, like brushing your teeth and drinking orange juice. Super-psyker super-strict super-justicars mixed with mead-swilling, psyker-hating, anarchic, ravenous space vikings? Yeah no. Either one could go alright with vanilla marines as a happy medium, but that's just throwing the opposite spectrums together. Other allies that should probably never happen are Eldar and Dark Eldar, GK and Chaos, 'Nids and anybody... Well if 'Nids can't devour biometal that may open up something with 'Crons but hey, if the 'Crons help the 'nids eat everything then what are they gonna eat? Maybe they go off across space and outside this universe and start eating EVERYTHING together.