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2012/06/23 18:57:09
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Huge Hierodule
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Who can crons ally with?
I didn't pick up the WD.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29
Prettymuch everyone in some regard - no clue as to the 'levels' of alliance they have with each army though. That'll be confirmed when rulebooks start getting into the general population next week.
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2012/06/23 19:05:08
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Brother SRM wrote:CthuluIsSpy wrote:Who can crons ally with?
I didn't pick up the WD.
We don't know yet. There was a chart from a few months ago that keeps getting posted, but it's from a random tournament somewhere and not the actual rulebook. We'll know in a week with the new rulebook, as the only information in the WD for alliances is some Chaos/Chaos and Imperial/Imperial allied armies.
We do now, check it out...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29
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2012/06/23 19:08:22
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Pretty pictures and catalogue but it doesn't seem to have any actual links to info... 
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2012/06/23 19:09:09
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Pretty pictures and catalogue but it doesn't seem to have any actual links to info...
Yeh for some reasons the pics don't link to the pages. use the menu on the left hand side.
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2012/06/23 19:09:32
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Pretty pictures and catalogue but it doesn't seem to have any actual links to info...
Click the links to the left, not the ones beneath the images that indeed lead to nowhere.
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2012/06/23 19:11:57
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Who can crons ally with?
I didn't pick up the WD.
BA...
but anyway my opinion in this is like a coin... on one side I can see what the OP is saying and TBH SW and GK in one game seems a bit... of a horror story and I can see this happen plenty in tournaments...
On the other side I can see this can be great, on my part as I always wanted to filed a few Juggernoughts of khorne along side my CSM...
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2012/06/23 19:14:11
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I love it. According to that link, Tau can ally with damn near everyone.
We did the Kroot Bubble Wrap. Now let's try some Gue'Vesa bubble Wrap.
Gonna buy some IG vets because I hate painting faces something fierce.
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2012/06/23 19:22:28
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Taking Allies won't always make you TFG but TFG will always take Allies.
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Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
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2012/06/23 19:40:24
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Well, my Eldar can ally with GK and SW, but I'll pride myself in the fact that I won't abuse this rule. It'd be cool to ally with DE, I've always kinda wanted a DE army so this is a good substitute. That said, I'm doing fine with Eldar on their own, I don't think I need any help 
Orks. Orks can ally with Marines. WHAT
Tyranids naturally can ally with no-one. NOM.
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2012/06/23 19:52:18
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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One thing that I think will be nice for allies is probably a good chunk of the old Lost and the Damned lovers might be satisfied now (me being one of them). I think just a blanket stamp of "Allies = TFG" is a little short-sighted and will have to wait to see how GW implements wholly.
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2012/06/23 19:57:29
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Wow, yeah. Black Templars and Grey Knights can ally with 'Crons and Dark Eldar? That's not TFG, that's just lame.
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2012/06/23 19:59:05
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Slaanesh Havoc with Blastmaster
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Allies is a dumb rule. Write good dexes rather than trying to make up for it this way. Lets sell more kits and dexes also lets make our terrain kits part of the foc. Gk + sw. Hilarious. And makes no sense fluffwise.
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2012/06/23 20:01:21
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm sick of people insisting GW is being an evil corporate behemouth by introducing allies/terrain. If you think that a larger selection of goods leads to greater sales, you have no business acumen. People spend whatever money they want to spend, they aren't going to go mental and take out a second mortgage because they can use allies all of a sudden.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/06/23 20:08:19
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Taking Allies won't always make you TFG but TFG will always take Allies.
I agree. I refuse to think I am even close to being TFG when I play my Ultramarines paired with my Sisters of Battle, or alongside my Imperial Guard. That's called "fluffy", not powergaming.
Also, if I was to ever play more than for fun games with my friends, I can still use the Kroot Carnivores that I am fielding alongside my Eldar "pirates". While right now I don't care, as we still allow the full Kroot Merc rules, if I'm ever playing with people that use "6th only" rules, I can still take them.
Unfortunately, because we go by fluff, my Oldcrons will remain friendless. 
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2012/06/23 20:08:20
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Personally, I think the allies thing is a brilliant idea. Not only can you create more fluffy armies but it means I can use actual bloodletters with my World Eaters again instead of the rubbish "summoned lesser daemons" 
Of course, it is a blatant move by GW to make more money by selling kits from different armies to players who will decide to eventually make an independent army from their allied models but who cares? GW is a business and as such has to make money in order to keep going. Do you really think they remake the rules and codexes every few years just to keep the game fresh? By rewriting the rules every 4-5 years they force the players to spend more money so they can keep playing the game. 
Of course, non of this is going to stop me playing, I love this game
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2012/06/23 20:11:47
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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I don't get why a radical inquisitor can't ally with Demons. That's pretty much their whole thing...
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/06/23 20:21:23
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I just hope you can't take more than 1 allied faction (I guess points are a limiting factor at some point).
I do think BT need a smaller pool, as do the SoB and GK, their fluff alone kinda limits them more than others.
That being said, I guess I'll be the poster boy of poster boys when I pull out my Tanith IG (been converting them slowly for almost a year) and my 2nd company ultras. If anyone calls me out for running Tactical Marines along side foot slogging IG vets, well screw them.
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2012/06/23 20:25:11
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Testify wrote:I'm sick of people insisting GW is being an evil corporate behemouth by introducing allies/terrain. If you think that a larger selection of goods leads to greater sales, you have no business acumen. People spend whatever money they want to spend, they aren't going to go mental and take out a second mortgage because they can use allies all of a sudden.
Yes, but it does lead to people buyng "just a little" of a particular army they've been just thinking about collecting. Then before they know it they play that army as well. It is much easier to justify playing an army after you've bought some of the models, this gets them to buy those models. A gateway buy if you will. It worked by splitting CSM and CD.
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
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Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! |
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2012/06/23 20:31:23
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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michaelcycle wrote:Allies is a dumb rule. Write good dexes rather than trying to make up for it this way. Lets sell more kits and dexes also lets make our terrain kits part of the foc. Gk + sw. Hilarious. And makes no sense fluffwise.
"My SW/ GK list is meant to represent the two fighting together at Armageddon I".
Oh look, it made sense, no way!
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2012/06/23 20:33:07
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Testify wrote:I don't get why a radical inquisitor can't ally with Demons. That's pretty much their whole thing...
Yeh, plus renegade marines who still remain close to codex astartes in structure should be able to ally with Demons and CSM.
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2012/06/23 20:39:51
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I've seen a lot of talk about Allies - HOW DO THEY WORK?
There's all talk and not a lot of how.
Somebody please help me here.
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2012/06/23 20:47:19
Subject: Re:If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Screamin' Stormboy
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I will totally use allies. I will combine my Tau with IG and totally BOMBARD the EVERLOVING CRAP out of people. I will convert everything into neat looking Gue'Vesa forces and rain death and destruction upon those who oppose The Greater effing Good. HUZZAH!
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2012/06/23 20:56:11
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Some of those ally choices... just confuse me.
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2012/06/23 21:06:44
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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SilverMK2 wrote:Some of those ally choices... just confuse me.
There's a good reason for that.
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2012/06/23 21:07:03
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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I'm kind of disappointed that Tryanids cant ally with IG. It would be great to be able to run a Genestealer Cult with actual Genestealers.
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2012/06/23 21:08:51
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Thatguyoverthere wrote:I'm kind of disappointed that Tryanids cant ally with IG. It would be great to be able to run a Genestealer Cult with actual Genestealers.
Indeed, this is one of the more confusing choices GW have made with this.
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2012/06/23 21:13:52
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Thatguyoverthere wrote:I'm kind of disappointed that Tryanids cant ally with IG. It would be great to be able to run a Genestealer Cult with actual Genestealers.
It might well be a special rule in the new 'nid codex. Letting them ally with Guard as standard would just be weird. Automatically Appended Next Post: SlaveToDorkness wrote:Testify wrote:I'm sick of people insisting GW is being an evil corporate behemouth by introducing allies/terrain. If you think that a larger selection of goods leads to greater sales, you have no business acumen. People spend whatever money they want to spend, they aren't going to go mental and take out a second mortgage because they can use allies all of a sudden.
Yes, but it does lead to people buyng "just a little" of a particular army they've been just thinking about collecting. Then before they know it they play that army as well. It is much easier to justify playing an army after you've bought some of the models, this gets them to buy those models. A gateway buy if you will. It worked by splitting CSM and CD.
Why does GW care whether I spend £20 on one army or another?
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/06/23 21:20:17
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I'm looking forward to it, personally. I think the potential variations of allegiances will bring a greater balance to the game than a single over powered codex brings unbalance currently. Also you can't be sure what new codices will bring to the table.
Peace Out!
Jonny!
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2012/06/23 21:21:54
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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I don't mind if people want to use them, but won't be taking allies myself.
However, I've already started piling up plasticard and bits to make my own version of a bastion. My Waaagh! could certainly benefit from some static defences...
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2012/06/23 21:31:49
Subject: If you use allies, are you TFG?
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Maybe allies is an optional rule like 'with opponents consent' of 'for story driven games' etc?
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