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10 tesla immortals with big Z and dual storm teks both with lightening fields with counter assault granted with adaptive tactics. Drop em off in a night scythe 36" from your board edge with invasion beam.

Beardy or barmy?

Can you beat that?

I thought gauss was considered better than telsa these days because of the vehicle stripping.

But vehicles usually don't assault these guy's.

I think full Assault Terminators with Hammer and Board will still be painful to assault...if they have an Apotecary, this could even turn worse for the assaulters.

Or the assaulting unit could turn to chaos, recruit a daemon prince and lash the termies into submission. (see what I did there?)

Guard blob with the following

* 50 guard
* 5 PGs
* 5 ACs
* Primarius Psyker casting Endurance on blob
* SW Rune Priest casting Forewarning or Misfortune and Prescience

Assault through the overwatch at your own risk.

Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

jbunny wrote:Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

Ahh, good ol' daemons.

jbunny wrote:Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

OWCH!

jbunny wrote:Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

... add heralds to the unit

And the fateweaver for good measure!

Not sure what those two models would add. I don't play Chaos. I just say the Flamers in action in 5th, when I got partnered with the Chaos in a team tourny.

Wrakkar wrote:And the fateweaver for good measure!

Fateweaver can't join squads...and wouldn't make a difference to the flame attacks.

EnormousName wrote:

jbunny wrote:Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

... add heralds to the unit

Tzeentch flamers can be 12 strong. Add in 4 heralds at >2000 points and that's 16 D3 hits. Against SS/TH termies that's 5 dead, against MEQ it's 16 dead . Any walker or monsterous creature would be destroyed outright.

Aren't Heralds 2 per HQ slot? So you can have 8 at 2k? Or am I misremembering (only managed to ever glance over the CD book)?

Avatar 720 wrote:Aren't Heralds 2 per HQ slot? So you can have 8 at 2k? Or am I misremembering (only managed to ever glance over the CD book)?

yes, if you're filling both primary detachments (4hq spots)

jbunny wrote:Chaos Flamers. 10d3 hits that wound on a 4+ with no save. Most units will not into assault with them after removing dead models.

But how do they do after that overwatch?
I plan to battle squad my assault squads vs daemons, so you can over-watch and killing half, but the other half makes it in.

I'd be more worried about Nobs with combi-scorchas. Boat load of S5 AP4 hits, and the survivors face quite a few power klaws.

-Matt

They are mediocre at best. The only thing keeping them around is their straight up 4+ invul.

2 attacks each as WS 4 S 4 T 4

But, the easiest thing to do about scary units is assault with a throw away unit first. Your opponent then decides if he wishes to overwatch or not. If he does not and you then make it into assault, he is now engaged and cannot overwatch anymore.

Per the assault rules, you declare who is assaulting, resolve overwatch, and roll dice one unit at a time.

tallerguy wrote:
10 tesla immortals with big Z and dual storm teks both with lightening fields with counter assault granted with adaptive tactics. Drop em off in a night scythe 36" from your board edge with invasion beam.

Beardy or barmy?

Can you beat that?

Why not just drop Big Z in another squad and do a squad like this for MUUUCH cheaper:

10 Necron Warriors
Lord w/ Sempiternal Weave / Gauntlet of Fire
Harbinger of Despair
Harbinger of the Storm

Then give them Counter Assault if they are going to get assaulted. You're looking at:

- 2D3 flamer hits from the Gauntlet of Fire/Abyssal Staff
- Snap Fire from the 10 Necron Warriors
- D6 STR 8 AP 5 hits
- Counter Assault

Grand total for this is 250 points. Much much cheaper than your option and still fairly sturdy.

30 slugga boys still look good to me against anything but purifiers.


Overwatch is a gimmic. Assault with a small squad first, either the nasty uses its 1 overwatch to shoot them down or it risks having models in btb for the next assault.

You want Tesla on your Overwatch. Each hit is actually 3 hits

No idea how they fair once in base to base. The issue is getting into base to base. ON average 12 will kill 12 models if they don't have FNP or Inv saves, and will even kill 4 SS termies. The thing about it is, this can keep a unit from being in assault range.

yes some armies can combat squad, but not all. Even combat squading and attacking with 2 5 man squads means you give up 5 dead models before swings even happen. Now those 5 have to attack 12.

Using the numbers above, and assuming they have an Int lower than 4, then the Assault Marines kill 3, and the flamers kill 2 (Rounding up for both). Next round 1 more Flamer is killed, and then the flamers finish off the last 2 guys.

All in all, the flamers lost 4 models and the marines lost 10. If I played Chaos I would take that any day. Of course this is fighting in a complete vacumn and does not take in shotting before assaults.

jbunny wrote:No idea how they fair once in base to base. The issue is getting into base to base. ON average 12 will kill 12 models if they don't have FNP or Inv saves, and will even kill 4 SS termies. The thing about it is, this can keep a unit from being in assault range.

yes some armies can combat squad, but not all. Even combat squading and attacking with 2 5 man squads means you give up 5 dead models before swings even happen. Now those 5 have to attack 12.

Using the numbers above, and assuming they have an Int lower than 4, then the Assault Marines kill 3, and the flamers kill 2 (Rounding up for both). Next round 1 more Flamer is killed, and then the flamers finish off the last 2 guys.

All in all, the flamers lost 4 models and the marines lost 10. If I played Chaos I would take that any day. Of course this is fighting in a complete vacumn and does not take in shotting before assaults.

I assault with a 3 man unit of wracks or a 5 man unit of DE warriors or a grot mob or or or. I throw 50 points your way. Sure you can gun them down. Next I assault with a nasty assault unit.

Why would I ever charge Flamers? Shoot them down, these little bastards.

wuestenfux wrote:Why would I ever charge Flamers? Shoot them down, these little bastards.

Not part of the original question. The OP asked worst to assault, not why assault X unit.

Exergy@ I was talking in relation to the guy that said I assault with two 5 man assault squads. Every army might have a "throw away unit" to take the hit from them. And I am not saying Flamers are immune to assault. The OP asked the worst unit to assault. And on a unit for unit bases I think the Flamers are the worst.

Your same tactics could be used to assault the Necron list someone else posted. Assault has always been about sending more units/points into a nasty unit to kill it. It's the same thing as saying I can kill any Deathstar unit by having everything in my unit shoot and assault it in one turn. Yes that should kill it, but you have to look at the points cost it took to kill it.

Grey Templar wrote:You want Tesla on your Overwatch. Each hit is actually 3 hits

Overall though, I'd probably run Gauss on either squad given their vehicle killing ability now. But for this question/test, yes,10 Tesla immortals can do far more damage on the snap shot. Good call.

To be honest giving the guys I play against, I've just taken to making my troops blobs as unattractive to assault as possible. This thread is a good exercise.

Edit: Oh and take a look on the Battle Report page and see what some Ork/Tyranid lists are doing to Necron gun lines if you believe you shouldn't give your squad some counter assault/defense. I've seen some real massacres.

jbunny wrote:All in all, the flamers lost 4 models and the marines lost 10. If I played Chaos I would take that any day. Of course this is fighting in a complete vacumn and does not take in shotting before assaults.

Not quite as lopsided as it looks.

4 flamers @ 35 points each = 140 points
10 marines @ 16 points each = 160 points

That might be. Like I said before I don't have the codex so no idea how the points are.

A squad of Incubi lead by a Klaivex with demiklaives and a bloodstone joined by Drazhar. So many +1 str AP 3 and +2 str AP 2 attacks that are probably hitting before you.Granted the unit itself is obscenely expensive, but still the worst thing to charge.

Eldar pathfinders are pretty brutal.

6's to hit, all 6's are ap1.

:(

Shoot the unit that'll probably charge you next turn with a stalker... lolz with tesla.

That said, I'd be afraid of charging a unit of dire avengers with a farseer casting that "roll on BS for overwatch" ability... bladestorming, probably rerolling wounds due to doom, ew