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Hey, all!

Here I would like to get to know what people feel are some of the worst or most pointless units or models to have in your army, and why.

For example, I will point to the chaos spawn unit in the CSM codex.

Costing at 40 points, you get an incredibly useless model.
It has no ranged weapons, has the "Slow and Purposeful" special rule, and must always move towards/try to assault the closest enemy. They can never be used as scoring units, and have WS:3 S:5 T:5 W:3 I:3 Ld:10 no saves, and D6 attacks.

It has no tactical use, moves too slowly to ever be able to get into combat, and for 40 points, I could have a rhino with two twin-linked bolters.

For the SoB, I nominate the Canoness.

50% of a Space Marine Captain for 90% the point cost, and utterly useless because the last "Codex" stole 90% of her wargear options.
Aside from the fluff, there is literally not a single reason not to take one of the special characters as they offer so much more to the army.

The Ethereal/Aun va. They actually make your army WORSE when they are put on the field. Plus, if they die, everyone takes a morale check and those that pass get furious charge. Whoopie!

Literally the worst unit in the game.

PraetorDave wrote:The Ethereal/Aun va. They actually make your army WORSE when they are put on the field. Plus, if they die, everyone takes a morale check and those that pass get furious charge. Whoopie!

Literally the worst unit in the game.

How do they make your army worse? And on a side note, how many points are they?

Etherals got a massive buff in 6th due to the new PE rules. Suciide-bomb the Etheral, get PE for your entire army =)

wow that chaos spawn looks amazing.

Legion of the damned, To make them good you have to add another 45 points. Which could be used t buy teminators which have surviability.

Firewarrior Shas'ui (the sgt)

10 points for the option of spending more points of a weak squad~!

Harpies. Ugh.

Leaving aside whether you think template weapons are worth it for Nids, this thing only has Toughess 4, 2 wounds and a 4+ save. One round of Heavy Bolter fire would kill it

I think the spawn wins it

Spawns are great when you create them in the middle of a melee by using the Gift of Chaos power. ^^
Then they are free! Also Ahriman can use said power three times a turn, so more free units every turn!

AL-PiXeL01 wrote:Spawns are great when you create them in the middle of a melee by using the Gift of Chaos power. ^^
Then they are free! Also Ahriman can use said power three times a turn, so more free units every turn!

Would you pay 40 points for them in a fast attack slot however?

The pyrovore is right up there. It basically has a flame thrower and power weapon ability at... 1 attack at I1 and WS3. It is more dangerous to Tyranids units than anyone else if it explodes and you can't even make it explode when you want it to it has to be an ID attack to even have a chance to go kaboom all for the low low price of 5 points more than a Spawn if I remember right.

DE Mandrakes - awesome models...that will never see play

Testi for the cost of a FA fy wrote:Harpies. Ugh.

Harpes are.really good.in 6th ed

I'll tell you what suck, Rippers, Skyslashers and Spore Mines.

The 1st is a troops swarm that can't claim objectives and is completely useless. At least it is cheap troops to open the other slots. The second is the same but flies. But is FA so the one reason to take them is invalid. The 3rd are suicide bombers who do weak damage for a FA slot. You give up Shrikes, or Harpies now who can make their own spore mines.

Ascalam wrote:DE Mandrakes - awesome models...that will never see play

WS4 S4 AP- attacks.
A "cool" shooting attack that you wouldn't get to use unless you deploy them with haemy, but then you lose their infiltrate rule. Or you kill an enemy unit with their amazing S4 attacks.
Low initiative(per DE standard).
Can't take dedicated transport.
No grenade.
Fight for the important elite slot.

And then we might as well add Kheradruakh to the list too, since IC is still an unit.

EDIT: Correction, he isn't even an IC...

Vepr wrote:The pyrovore is right up there. It basically has a flame thrower and power weapon ability at... 1 attack at I1 and WS3. It is more dangerous to Tyranids units than anyone else if it explodes and you can't even make it explode when you want it to it has to be an ID attack to even have a chance to go kaboom all for the low low price of 5 points more than a Spawn if I remember right.

Most importantly, if you're taking Pyrovores that means you're not taking Hive Guard, Zoanthropes, The Doom of Malan'tai and/or Ymgarl Genestealers.

Spawn I think wins it, at least with a 5+ invul for being built of chaos it could get away with being used a few times, but I'd actually prefer an empty rhino just cos I can.

now now, whats with all the Spawn hate. yes they suck, yes their expensive, but i tell you what its really funny to throw a ton on the field and deep strike them later in the game to cause some confusion. No they don't do anything but die but its still funny seeing 9 spawn pop up.

For my IG it's the conscripts. A worse guardsman with no useful weapons and I save a total of 1 point a model?

Yeah, sign me up.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:For my IG it's the conscripts. A worse guardsman with no useful weapons and I save a total of 1 point a model?

Yeah, sign me up.

Hahaha! Yeah, but what if you manage to fill all six troop slots! Then you might run out of bodies!

Forgive me if I get the name wrong, it was shown to me by the Demon guy at my flgs.

Beast of Nurgle (the Nurgle Elite)

now now, whats with all the Spawn hate. yes they suck, yes their expensive, but i tell you what its really funny to throw a ton on the field and deep strike them later in the game to cause some confusion. No they don't do anything but die but its still funny seeing 9 spawn pop up.

They can't deep strike

Spawn I think wins it, at least with a 5+ invul for being built of chaos it could get away with being used a few times, but I'd actually prefer an empty rhino just cos I can.

They don't have a 5++ either. Where are you getting thiS?

Shining spears for the Eldar codex IMO, 35 points for a flying piece of gak.

I'll put vespid out there, but at least they get hammer of wrath in the new rules. Nice benefit to being jump infantry.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

now now, whats with all the Spawn hate. yes they suck, yes their expensive, but i tell you what its really funny to throw a ton on the field and deep strike them later in the game to cause some confusion. No they don't do anything but die but its still funny seeing 9 spawn pop up.

They can't deep strike

Spawn I think wins it, at least with a 5+ invul for being built of chaos it could get away with being used a few times, but I'd actually prefer an empty rhino just cos I can.

They don't have a 5++ either. Where are you getting thiS?

My bad i was playing one of the tables at Gamesday last year where there was deep striking spawn in the backfield just to cause havoc, must have just been for the game mode. I'm not a CSM player.

Swooping Hawks. They are Assault Marines with lower Strength, lower Toughness, lower Save, weaker guns, 1 higher Initiative, 1 higher Ld, and some grenade-related abilities. At best, that should come out to equal points values, yet Hawks are 3 points more than Assault Marines.
However, for my Guard, it's either Conscripts, which are -1 WS, -1 BS -2 Ld, and only -1 points compared to regular Guardsmen, or Storm Troopers, which are as expensive as Tactical Marines, despite being inferior in almost every way.

DOOMBREAD wrote:Swooping Hawks. They are Assault Marines with lower Strength, lower Toughness, lower Save, weaker guns, 1 higher Initiative, 1 higher Ld, and some grenade-related abilities. At best, that should come out to equal points values, yet Hawks are 3 points more than Assault Marines.

The hay wire grenades did get buffed quite a bit IIRC, so did their tank assault.

Gotta go with the vespids. How exactly, are they even useful?