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I nominate the Tyranid's Strangleweb. For 10 points you get a S2 AP- flamer that forces pinning tests if it wounds. -_-

It used to be toxin sacks for MCs. You paid 10 points to make the MC actually worse unless you were fighting an Avatar. Strangleweb is a pretty good candidate also. Do they get D3 automatic hits now with the new template rules on overwatch?

What is it with Cruddace? That whole codex is full of lots of WTF rules, units and bimorphs.

Envenomed blades. Vehicle upgrade for DE
Any enemy takes a str 4 ap - hit if they roll a 1 to hit against the vehicle.
10 points

Now? Target Lock, it joined the Command and Control node as two pieces of wargear that have been FAQd out of existence.

Disruption pods are pulling up closer now since skimmers have juke...

No, Toxin sacs were good on MC's as you get a 4+ to wound unless your roll would normally be better, in which case it's usually 2+ with re-rolls. I nominate Hellfury missiles! I just dislike them.

Ork combi rokkit. Its a weapon that hits once every three games.

Well, how about the auspex, as it doesn't exist anymore other than as a bit to add character?

Vepr wrote:It used to be toxin sacks for MCs. You paid 10 points to make the MC actually worse unless you were fighting an Avatar. Strangleweb is a pretty good candidate also. Do they get D3 automatic hits now with the new template rules on overwatch?

What is it with Cruddace? That whole codex is full of lots of WTF rules, units and bimorphs.

You obviously have the rulebook. Go reread the poison entry.

For Necrons any of the Necron Lord CC weapons that isn't a Warscythe.

Seriously why would I choose the Voidblade over the Warscythe for the same or more points.
Yes I would like to lose +2S AP1 and 2D6 Armour Pen so that I can gain Rending and Entropic. Yeah I think ill keep my pocket melta blade.
And the Gauntlets of Fire are beyond worthless.

Crucible of Malediction for DE.

I have never seen a single psyker die to it, because they almost always have obscene LD scores..That and it only has a 3-18'' range centered on the user (3d6'') that generally winds up being 6'' for me or less..

20 Pts. One shot.

Chain swords. They are just a cc weapon. Should have some sorta ability since there are so many models with them.
Scorpions +1 str but they are the only ones that get that. No one else gets anything just the right to say "EEW I have a chain sword!"

This is just my opinion.

Marker Drones. 30pts for something that has a 50/50 chance of improving 1 squads bs by +1 or other *meh*effects. OH, and they no longer have Target locks so they must fire at the unit the squad is and vice versa.

Next, Seeker Missiles. 10 pts for each missile that requires you pay at least double that in markerlights for each one in order to fire them effectively. OH, if your markerlights get wiped by some lucky blasts and bad rolls, you never get to fire them.

That second storm shield on wolf guard terminators.

Dark eldar orb of despair or dark gate.

Dark gate is a S10 large blast with a 12" range...

Orb of despair is a S10 AP1 blast that wounds against ld... 6" range.

Just imagine how easily those scatter on your own guys.

-Loki- wrote:

Vepr wrote:It used to be toxin sacks for MCs. You paid 10 points to make the MC actually worse unless you were fighting an Avatar. Strangleweb is a pretty good candidate also. Do they get D3 automatic hits now with the new template rules on overwatch?

What is it with Cruddace? That whole codex is full of lots of WTF rules, units and bimorphs.

You obviously have the rulebook. Go reread the poison entry.

Well I don't have the 5th edition rulebook on me but I remember it saying always wound on a 4 plus, it was a set number and did not differentiate between strength and toughness in 5th edition. Now if you are talking about 6th edition that is why I put "used" to be toxin sacks for MCs, they are useful now because they allow rerolls regardless.


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Hunchkrot wrote:No, Toxin sacs were good on MC's as you get a 4+ to wound unless your roll would normally be better, in which case it's usually 2+ with re-rolls. I nominate Hellfury missiles! I just dislike them.

I could be mistaken about 5th edition but I do not remember it differentiating strength and toughness in 5th it was just always a 4 plus to wound.

Targeter Squig.

DeffDred wrote:Targeter Squig.

Suggest you look at the FAQ. Not that I'm stating they're the best thing in the universe, but they're pretty far removed from the numbers of gear that does literally nothing.

Jayden63 wrote:Ork combi rokkit. Its a weapon that hits once every three games.

Agreed. Atleast in 5th it would be good for wound allocation

The Typhoon Launchers for BT. 70pts for a speeder with a Hvy 1, str5, ap4 blast template.

Marshall Ragnar wrote:The Typhoon Launchers for BT. 70pts for a speeder with a Hvy 1, str5, ap4 blast template.

Actually, this is an error. In foriegn language codexes and FAQ's, the Typhoon Launcher is the better version. It also appears in newer printings of the BT Codex. Only in older English Language printings and in the English Language FAQ does this error exist. There's a couple of threads with the link to this information in either this or the tactics forum. Can't remember which though.

AegisGrimm wrote:Well, how about the auspex, as it doesn't exist anymore other than as a bit to add character?

Isn't that what the Dev Sgts have that adds +1 to the BS of one shot in the squad for free?

Sniper Rifles.
They are useless!

AegisGrimm wrote:Well, how about the auspex, as it doesn't exist anymore other than as a bit to add character?

Still exists in the Black Templars Codex.

Heavy bolter, Its only str 5 and ap 4. Not enough to take out even marines.

Try it out on non-marines. It's pretty deadly. It's a big machine gun for anti-infantry use, not a tac-nuke

Good for shooting up AV 10 skiffs and trucks too, and dirt cheap compared to other options.

Not being able to gib marines with no armour save allowed is pretty standard in this game for most armies, as AP 3/AP 2 is generally hard to come by in massed amounts.


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Asherian Command wrote:Sniper Rifles.
They are useless![/quote

Less so these days, as you have a chance of picking out your targets..

That said i always seem to roll 1-3 when trying to wound with them

Nemesis Daemon Hammer on a Nemisis Dreadknight.

Total point sink.

It literally does nothing for the model.

Webway Portal.

... Too soon?

DeathReaper wrote:Nemesis Daemon Hammer on a Nemisis Dreadknight.

Total point sink.

It literally does nothing for the model.

Reducing enemy MC to initiative 1 isn't exactly "useless".
A lot of these things aren't.
Some guy was complaining about re-rolling to wound being useless on TMC

No. You are all wrong. The worst piece of Wargear in the game is Digital Weapons, specificially Digital Weapons when taken on a Brotherhood Champion: For 5 points, you are allowed to re-roll a single wound in Close Combat, yet your Anointed Blade, your default weapon, already allows you to re-roll all wounds in Close Combat. I have discussed this with people at the local GW, and even the staff couldn't conceive why this was included in the Champion's entry.

Testify wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Nemesis Daemon Hammer on a Nemisis Dreadknight.

Total point sink.

It literally does nothing for the model.

Reducing enemy MC to initiative 1 isn't exactly "useless".
A lot of these things aren't.
Some guy was complaining about re-rolling to wound being useless on TMC

Damn the selective reading around here... I said it "used" to be in regards to poison and it was in 5th because you had the choice of wounding on 2s in most cases with an MC or wounding on 4s with rerolls because of the wording of the rule. That is why I mentioned the Avatar because in 5th most of the time it was the only thing you ran up against where the 4 plus rerollable made sense for an MC because you were not wounding on 2s. In 6th poison is much better for MCs.