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"We've got bridges and roads in need of repair and thousands of people in need of work. Why aren't we rebuilding America? Our competitors are putting
people to work, building a future. China invests 9% of its GDP in infrastructure. America? We're at just 2.4%. We can do better. We can build a foundation
for a strong new economy and get people in MA to work right now. I'm Elizabeth Warren and I approve this message. Let's go to work."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbBDilOizA&feature=youtube_gdata

Ummm.... is posting her quote suppose to make me not like her?

China isn't communist. But of course the term alone is probably enough to deter most "patriots" from even considering this. Even socialism is used like an insult.

Considering public opinion, it would seem to be more likely that the US privatises all roads and bridges. After all, if the state rebuilds them with tax money, that would make it a "nanny state", no? For some reason, I have a feeling it would seem more acceptable to people to pay a "road subscription fee" to a private company rather than paying evil taxes to the socialist government, even though it's basically the same thing.

So someone wants to invest in infrastructure? Clearly they are a monster.

Phanatik wrote:"We've got bridges and roads in need of repair and thousands of people in need of work. Why aren't we rebuilding America? Our competitors are putting
people to work, building a future. China invests 9% of its GDP in infrastructure. America? We're at just 2.4%. We can do better. We can build a foundation
for a strong new economy and get people in MA to work right now. I'm Elizabeth Warren and I approve this message. Let's go to work."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbBDilOizA&feature=youtube_gdata

I think its the comparison to China thing.

Frazzled wrote:I think its the comparison to China thing.

I don't see the problem. China is a country, the US is a country. Idiots think comparing the two, despite the obvious fact that they're comparable, is bad whenever the comparison isn't favorable; which leads to heads being placed squarely in the sand.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I think its the comparison to China thing.

I don't see the problem. China is a country, the US is a country. Idiots think comparing the two, despite the obvious fact that they're comparable, is bad.

Other than the comment is utterly inanely stupid, I don't see a problem either. Strangely comparing the US to a country that still jails political prisoners gets some peope's gander up.

Frazzled wrote:I think its the comparison to China thing.

Pretty much. Which is a shame. The USA could do with some socialism. At least on the level y'all used to have, back in your heyday (50s & 60s).

Frazzled wrote:
Other than the comment is utterly inanely stupid, I don't see a problem either. Strangely comparing the US to a country that still jails political prisoners gets some peope's gander up.

How is it stupid? China spends more on infrastructure, per anum, than we do. A lot more. We're worse at building roads than a country that jails political prisoners (which we also do).

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Other than the comment is utterly inanely stupid, I don't see a problem either. Strangely comparing the US to a country that still jails political prisoners gets some peope's gander up.

How is it stupid? China spends more on infrastructure, per anum, than we do. A lot more. We're worse at building roads than a country that jails political prisoners (which we also do).

And they also have a slew of government expenses they don't cover, and wipe out entire villages that get in the way of the latest government move. You can't compare just one bit. Its a stupid comment. As another poster noted. Her statement was bad and she should feel bad.

having said that I agree on the infrastructure spend part.

Frazzled wrote:
And they also have a slew of government expenses they don't cover, and wipe out entire villages that get in the way of the latest government move. You can't compare just one bit. Its a stupid comment. As another poster noted. Her statement was bad and she should feel bad.

Right, so reminding Americans that they're comparable to a totalitarian regime is bad, because Americans want to feel good; and not ever confront the real world.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
And they also have a slew of government expenses they don't cover, and wipe out entire villages that get in the way of the latest government move. You can't compare just one bit. Its a stupid comment. As another poster noted. Her statement was bad and she should feel bad.

Right, so reminding Americans that they're comparable to a totalitarian regime is bad, because Americans want to feel good; and not ever confront the real world.

Exactly.

How much of that expenditure is the "Big Ass Dam" project. (I can't be arsed to google the name)

There's a gak-ton of money going into that one.

I have no problem comparing the US to another country, but how much of that is also China modernizing an incredibly rural and non-existent infrastructure? Something we did from 1930s to 1950?

It's an apples and oranges comparison, I would think.

Either way, it doesn't even rank a 1.0 on my give-a-gak meter.

Country with lots of roads spends less on building new roads than bigger country with less roads that wants more. In other news dog bites man.

Steve steveson wrote:Country with lots of roads spends less on building new roads than bigger country with less roads that wants more. In other news dog bites man.

I think you just said what I was trying to say with my second point better than I did.

Lynata wrote:China isn't communist. But of course the term alone is probably enough to deter most "patriots" from even considering this. Even socialism is used like an insult.

Considering public opinion, it would seem to be more likely that the US privatises all roads and bridges. After all, if the state rebuilds them with tax money, that would make it a "nanny state", no? For some reason, I have a feeling it would seem more acceptable to people to pay a "road subscription fee" to a private company rather than paying evil taxes to the socialist government, even though it's basically the same thing.

America is a step away from saying traffic lights are for a nanny state because it doesnt expect us to drive safely.
All in all i agree with her, but i hate it when they fix roads, it sucks, you have to go around the work.

So....is she or isn't she a native american?

Jihadin wrote:So....is she or isn't she a native american?

What day is it?

I think the USA should take decisions about infrastructure investment based on facts rather than because of political positions.

Jihadin wrote:So....is she or isn't she a native american?

According to her wiki, it sounds like her great-grandparents onwards thought that they were...

"While Christopher Child at the New England Historic Genealogical Society said he had found that everyone in Warren's family, through her great-grandparents' generation, has been listed or classified as white in records, he has noted that documenting Native American ancestry earlier than the last 150 years can be difficult.[46][57][58][59] Warren said that she had heard family stories about her Cherokee ancestors her entire life, and her family talked of links through her maternal grandparents' lines to the Cherokee and Delaware peoples in Oklahoma.[55] [60]"

Kilkrazy wrote:I think the USA should take decisions about infrastructure investment based on facts rather than because of political positions.

That's boring. I'd rather decide on what road to fix based on the number of times a football player was caught for a DUI while driving on it instead of facts like "It's falling apart" or "It's held together with wishes and termite spit!"

Phanatik's flawless logic is as follows.

1. China does something.
2. China is bad.
3. Therefore anything China did is bad.

In China you aren't allowed to kill people. WE CANT BE LIKE COMMUNIST CHINA! We need to legalize murder!

Well, given that just over one third of all your roads are unpaved, I'd say you still have quite a lot of room to invest in your road infrastructure. And while you are doing that, why not lay some high speed internet cables as well?

What are you Silver? A thrice damned commie? Cant you see thay doing anything that China does is the worst thing ever? Clearly even suggesting that we should create jobs and fix our crumbling infrastructure is pure democratic pandering! Our roads ans bridges are perfect because they are good old CAPITALISM!

You love China so much why don't you move there Commie McCommunist!

This is going down hill

Sure it is not just a massive pot hole?

The way I see investing in infrastructure employs people and helps to provide a framework for growth across the board. I mean obviously that's a bit of an oversimplification but you're generally not going to find me disagreeing with someone who wants to invest in infrastructure, it's certainly one of the more productive things the government can spend its money on.

LoneLictor wrote:Phanatik's flawless logic is as follows.

1. China does something.
2. China is bad.
3. Therefore anything China did is bad.

In China you aren't allowed to kill people. WE CANT BE LIKE COMMUNIST CHINA! We need to legalize murder!

Thanks, my logic IS flawless.

It's odd though. I didn't mention 1, 2, or 3. But don't let that stop you.

I posted it though, because like many lefties, including many in the Obama administration, she seems to admire/prefer communism/communists.

And yet she is running for the U.S. Senate.

And anyone that pays attention to U.S. politics knows that when lefties talk about spending money on the infrastructure, what they really mean is funneling money to the unions, which than donate the money back to the democrats. It's a tax-payer funded money laundering scheme.

Have a nice day!

China invests 9% of its GDP in infrastructure

I can see her point though

We're at just 2.4%. We can do better

Its a number shocker

How much does the average american know about China besides its big and "communists"

They're really good at kung fu, and the they love panda bears