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Can the gauss arrays on the ark's fire at the same targets?

I mean lets say this is what it looks like (A = enemy group 1, B = enemy group 2, OOO = ark)

A
OOO
B

I know the arrays can shoot at 'A' & 'B' using 1 array each.

What about in this situation:

OOO A

Can both of the arrays fire at enemy A ?

And lastly, this situation

A
OOO

Can both arrays fire at A , or only the one side?

eh... the Abyssal Staff works out to be a S4 AP1 flamer most of the time. Against some pretty common stuff (anything with Ld 7) it's roughly equal to a S5 AP1 flamer.

I personally will continue to do what I've always done anyway, and field warriors AND Immortals.

However, will just now have the Tesla, and use warriors to shield them on the way in. I plan on getting a Cryptek in there for the re rolls most likely if allowed, which should up the rate of fire.

Ghost Arks behind the warriors to augment and keep them as an advancing line, with Destroyers on the flanks, Monolith behind and/or in reserve as deep strike. I always loved teleporting troops out of combat and letting them fire which I know is a no-no nowadays, but I can still see the benefit in keeping a Monolith behind for a sneaky teleport as CC gets into range

I hope that you can take a unit of 5 with upgrading individuals to heavy destroyer now, it'll be a good all round unit with potential kick on anything - nice for those units with IC's too if you have a couple of heavy shots.

I think I'm going to go light on CC myself, I have a unit of 10 Pariahs with Warscythes that i'll most likely keep around with an Overlord as protection, but I Really think shooting is going to be key here.

I might take Deathmarks, have to read up on them - but will most likely buy a box of Warriors to build them and the Immortals through conversion - and get the benefit of the Scarab bases (3 per base for efficiency).

Cryage wrote:Can the gauss arrays on the ark's fire at the same targets?

I mean lets say this is what it looks like (A = enemy group 1, B = enemy group 2, OOO = ark)

A
OOO
B

I know the arrays can shoot at 'A' & 'B' using 1 array each.

What about in this situation:

OOO A

Can both of the arrays fire at enemy A ?

And lastly, this situation

A
OOO

Can both arrays fire at A , or only the one side?

you'd only be able to shoot with whichever flayer array was facing them, so both arrays wouldn't be able to shoot the same unit (unless they formed a U around you, or something strange) .

Drakmord wrote:a single squad of Warriors, along with a Ghost Ark, seems plenty sturdy to me. i could make it 9 warriors and a Lord to give them a Res Orb, but that will probably be unnecessary with the Ark putting guys back every so often.

the rest of my troops are definitely going to be Tesla Immortals, possibly with VoDs from the Crypteks to replicate how i currently play. though that forces me to take that Abyssal Stave, which i think is right awful. if we still had the Ld reduction somewhere it'd be cooler, but we don't, so it's blah.

I'd say a lord with a Rez orb would be pretty unnescary.

I think the Abyssal staff isn't too bad. Could be useful for clearing out units in cover.

Apologies for the mistake and thanks for the clarification - this certainly clears up the issue of taking Immortals with Gauss or Tesla, yet there still is (my) issue with Warriors vs Immortals.

I just ran a quick mathhammer and given that I did not fail, it seems that Necron Warriors are about on par with Tesla Immortals (on average) when they are in 12'' to their target...which seems to be extremely risky to me and their point difference isn't that big.

Then again, they could take an ark...

Sigh, I'm simply torn right now. I don't want to spend hundreds on Immortals yet Warriors seem to be somehow lacking...hmpf.

Drakmord wrote:

you'd only be able to shoot with whichever flayer array was facing them, so both arrays wouldn't be able to shoot the same unit (unless they formed a U around you, or something strange) .

Ah, so it does suffer the same issue as land raiders.

Im going to mix. MSU immortals for home base obj taking, while i'll head forward with my scary stuff next to/covering the arks

So I was thinking of immortal weapons while we're on the topic of this...

10 shots with the tesla , assault 1 weapon you MAY roll 2 6's which result in 14 potential wounds.

With their gauss weapons, if you are in 12" and rapid fire, thats 20 shots and 20 potential wounds... Why choose the tesla? (unless I'm missing something).

Cryage wrote:

Drakmord wrote:

you'd only be able to shoot with whichever flayer array was facing them, so both arrays wouldn't be able to shoot the same unit (unless they formed a U around you, or something strange) .

Ah, so it does suffer the same issue as land raiders.

Its hard to say without the model in hand but it looks like they are even worse off then land raiders. At least their sponsons can fire directly forward and even a little toward the center. The ghost arks arrays appear to have spines in the way, keeping them from firing forward

Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

IronfrontAlex wrote:Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

Yep, and that basically means you can play keep away with the enemy. Just move back and keep rolling 6s.

IronfrontAlex wrote:Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

True enough I guess you can try and kite a swarm as much as possible, unless you're fighting hormagants which can run 3d6... lol

That being said though, put a monolith as a nice retreat safe spot to put some serious firepower on the swarm... OR keep a monolith across the board and port the immortals when the swarm closes in

IronfrontAlex wrote:Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

In a unit of 10 Immortals, you will roll 1,6 6s on average; against MEQ, this means about 2 dead tin cans.

With Gauss Blasters, at 24'', you will kill about 1,43 ~ 1,5 marines.

At 12'', you will kill about 2,83 ~ 3 marines.

So on average, the weapons are about equal, but Gauss still has the Glancing rule whereas Tesla has the range advantage. Your choice.

Cryage wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

True enough I guess you can try and kite a swarm as much as possible, unless you're fighting hormagants which can run 3d6... lol

That being said though, put a monolith as a nice retreat safe spot to put some serious firepower on the swarm... OR keep a monolith across the board and port the immortals when the swarm closes in

And that is where the Blasters will come in handy.

As I said earlier :

Tesla: Anti-MEQ

Gauss: Anti-Everything weaker than a MEQ

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cryage wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:Because your chances of more hits from double that distance is much higher with tesla

True enough I guess you can try and kite a swarm as much as possible, unless you're fighting hormagants which can run 3d6... lol

That being said though, put a monolith as a nice retreat safe spot to put some serious firepower on the swarm... OR keep a monolith across the board and port the immortals when the swarm closes in

And that is where the Blasters will come in handy.

As I said earlier :

Tesla: Anti-MEQ

Gauss: Anti-Everything weaker than a MEQ

I just want to fight tyranids, roll up with 2 ghost arks full, unload 10 troops each and rapid fire for 40 shots, then 10 more shots from the arks rapid firing each, so 60 shots total.... can weather down a horde army nicely with that

Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

That still is so much better then waiting for it to be shipped (and mine still hasn't been shipped yet)

Anyway i love the tesla concept but what i am missing still are the C'tan.

What happend to: TheNightbringer, Voiddragon and the Outsider.

I was looking forward to gain some more info about those guys in the new codex.

But since the fluff changed alot (for the better) i think we won't see alot of C'tan action. (expect for the shards)

So C'tan gods (something like that) will never happen in apo?

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

I won't even be able get mine on Saturday most likely, You're still quite lucky.

Cryage wrote:So I was thinking of immortal weapons while we're on the topic of this...

10 shots with the tesla , assault 1 weapon you MAY roll 2 6's which result in 14 potential wounds.

With their gauss weapons, if you are in 12" and rapid fire, thats 20 shots and 20 potential wounds... Why choose the tesla? (unless I'm missing something).

Some things to know. Either by design or coincidence, a Tesla weapon has an expected number of hits equal to the number of shots it fires. (Unless it's TL, or higher BS)
(Consider 6 tesla shots, on average, 4 hit, and one of them is a 6, so 6 total hits)

With rapid fire Gauss guns, (and pretty much everything else) The expected hits are 2/3 the number of shots.

Now consider a unit of 10 immortals

Situation: Immortals are 30 inches away from target.
Tesla Immortals move 6 inches, fire their guns, and get 10 hits
Gauss sit on their metal hands.

Situation: Immortals 20 inches away from target.
Teslas back up 4 inches, fire, get 10 hits.
Gauss stay still, fire single shots, get 6.66 hits

Situation: Immortals 15 inches away from target
Teslas back up 6 inches, fire, get 10 hits
Gauss choose between moving up 3 inches, Firing 20 shots, 13.33 hits, get assaulted by whats left next turn, or, Stay still, get 6.66 hits, and likely safe from assaults for another turn.

Situation: Immortals 10 inches away from target
Teslas back up 6 inches, fire, get 10 hits
Gauss choose between backing up 6 inches, not firing, but not getting assaulted, or, Rapid firing for 13.33 hits, and getting assaulted by whats left.

If you are simply going by average number of hits, Blasters can get the highest average amount, while within 12 inches. (Though, could be dangerously close)
If you want the most consistent average number of hits, then the Carbines beat out.
If you want the highest potential number of hits, then the Carbines could get up to 30 hits.

It really comes down to the AP value for me.
If I was going to be facing MEQ's all day every day, then I'd take the carbines hands down. Goes the same for playing on tables with a ton of cover.
If I was going to be fighting xeno's all day every day, then I'd probably take the blasters.

Given that I fight a mix, but mostly opponents that want to punch my dudes in the face in cc, I think I'll be fielding the carbines, for the mobility.

Edits: Clarity

There's apparently another C'tan, Nyadra'zatha 'The Burning One' who led the Necrons through Dolmen Gates to attack the Old Ones on their home turf

Sasori wrote:

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

I won't even be able get mine on Saturday most likely, You're still quite lucky.

True, true. It's just the thought of all my pre-paid stuff sitting there waiting for me less than a mile away : D

Good point GiantSlingshot, I already have 10 metal immortals that I will be keeping as gauss, then I'll be 2 more boxes to make 10x teslas

Cryage wrote:I just want to fight tyranids, roll up with 2 ghost arks full, unload 10 troops each and rapid fire for 40 shots, then 10 more shots from the arks rapid firing each, so 60 shots total.... can weather down a horde army nicely with that

The Ark is open-topped, so parking a full Ark on an objective and taking single shots at anyone trying to close in is quite handy, the AV13 should last if you are keeping them distracted with barges and what not also

The Decapitator wrote:There's apparently another C'tan, Nyadra'zatha 'The Burning One' who led the Necrons through Dolmen Gates to attack the Old Ones on their home turf

Well the 'Lord of Fire' power makes sense now...

Can't wait to read the War in Heaven fluff.

Swara wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

I won't even be able get mine on Saturday most likely, You're still quite lucky.

True, true. It's just the thought of all my pre-paid stuff sitting there waiting for me less than a mile away : D

Worth making tomorrow a "sick" day?

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

Swara wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

I won't even be able get mine on Saturday most likely, You're still quite lucky.

True, true. It's just the thought of all my pre-paid stuff sitting there waiting for me less than a mile away : D

Worth making tomorrow a "sick" day?

YES

I thought ahead and requested this weekend off! ahah

I'm hoping that my plan of three ghost arcs w/warriors and one monolith to port in Immortals remains a viable one . . . can't wait to see the dex! >.<

IronfrontAlex wrote:

G. Whitenbeard wrote:

Swara wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Swara wrote:Just got word that my Codex and pre-orders are in... and I'm at work! FUUUUUUU-

I won't even be able get mine on Saturday most likely, You're still quite lucky.

True, true. It's just the thought of all my pre-paid stuff sitting there waiting for me less than a mile away : D

Worth making tomorrow a "sick" day?

YES

I thought ahead and requested this weekend off! ahah

Alan Partridge plays 40k!

Im about to start a 6 week wargaming league and my first opponent wants to face me on saturday.

my local black shirt better give me my preorders on friday. I know its not the "date" but they only get shipments friday, and you in no way can convince me that they will have two shipments. Hell, the tracking even says friday.