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Will they be releasing a cheap version of the codex? Or is this gonna be the only way? Also, how will the new army lists be affected and how long will it take for new edition to take full effect?

Well, I guess you mean the announced hard cover book. I've no idea. If so, I'll wait for the soft cover. This would be enough for me (playing EC).

The moment GW offers a discount on anything will be the day the world ends.

You can (and should unless you play at GW stores) always buy stuff online at resellers like waylandgames. They sell GW stuff at a 20% lower price than usual.

Army lists and new editions take effect immediately as soon as the codex is released. You are to always use the latest codex unless specified otherwise (some tournaments run games with the older codex if they take place just after a new one is released).

Yeah....wow. $50(US) for a codex. *cough*

$74 for the cartoon dragon. What is that thing anyway? A flier?

Yeah I agree with the above, order it online if you have to. I hope they put out cheaper codices, but I don't think they have in the past, at least I don't remember.

Be nice if there was a $10 Kindle version, but the ecopies that they have right now are are over 40 bucks so I doubt that's gonna happen.

At least you're not getting hosed by the exchange rate on top. Puff the Magic DRagon there is 89CAD. I'm half hoping it'll be ridiculously overpointed or otherwise bad so I don't need them.

None of the Fantasy hardcover army books have been rereleased in softcover, so hardcover is your only option. The books are full color and more durable now, which is an improvement considering my black and white Space Marines codex has been falling apart for the last two years. If the OP is talking about the collector's edition (which costs another $25 or so) then that's just an option if you want it.

And yes, the dragon is a flyer. The Helldrake is supposedly an air superiority unit and meant to wreck other aircraft.

I for one am pretty happy to see them going color and hardback but the price jump i think is a bit drastic.

I might just take up snorting cocaine instead. It probably costs less.

More durable? Do you people use your army books as chew toys or something?

A codex getting slightly frayed is hardly worth paying the pretty large sum that this is more than a paper back

39 euro is far too much to pay for any book, even a hardback one... Seriously far too much money for something that'll be replaced in a few years any way. I've had my Nids codex since it's come out and sure the book has a few bent pages, a rip on another but its in pretty good condition. Way to go GW.

I saw it listed as 80 some dollars and near fainted... then I saw that it was showing me the aussy page by mistake.

My heart goes out to you guys.

I find this so funny. Yes the price is expensive, but I am sure alot of people who complain about price will go out and spend $$$ for booze or cirgarettes or watever else that is used up and can't be used again. At least GW stuff is good for 5 or more years, (better if you are a DE player )

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks. Oh wait, some people don't date so I guess it would be $15-$20 then. So for the price of 2 movies (or one if on a date, or with kids) it is the cost of a new 40K codex. The movie is done in 2-5 hours, the codex can be used for 4-5 years.

So lets see, a movie is $20/hour. A new codex at say $50 Canadian. So that is $50 for 4 years, or $12.50 for one year. Play 4 times a year, that is about $3.13 a game. So a game takes about 2 hours so that is about $1.50.

So are we really complaining about prices?

Davor wrote:
I find this so funny. Yes the price is expensive, but I am sure alot of people who complain about price will go out and spend $$$ for booze or cirgarettes or watever else that is used up and can't be used again. At least GW stuff is good for 5 or more years, (better if you are a DE player )

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks. Oh wait, some people don't date so I guess it would be $15-$20 then. So for the price of 2 movies (or one if on a date, or with kids) it is the cost of a new 40K codex. The movie is done in 2-5 hours, the codex can be used for 4-5 years.

So lets see, a movie is $20/hour. A new codex at say $50 Canadian. So that is $50 for 4 years, or $12.50 for one year. Play 4 times a year, that is about $3.13 a game. So a game takes about 2 hours so that is about $1.50.

So are we really complaining about prices?

Welcome to the internet my friend, where the sky is always falling and logic needs never be considered!



As a Fantasy player, I can say that the new hardbacks are most definately worth it. Paperbacks, no matter how well they're looked after will fall apart after time and are just so easy to get the corners torn up and the spine riped up.

Hardbacks need actual, full out effort to destroy!
Unlike those stupid Space Marine codices whose binding explodes the second you so much as breath on them! Hell, out of our GW store's initial shipment of 40 Marine codices, we had to write off 12 because the binding gave way as soon as they came out of the damn box they were shipped in! Within the first two weeks of their release, we'd had to replace over two dozen books!

Paperback codices are for chumps. While it'll take me longer to collect the newer books, at least I can read them without being forced to treat them like they're made of glass!

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks

canada must be an interesting place . because here I can buy I could buy 47 box of cigarets [could by more if I went after cheaper ones , but that is unhealthy] for 60$US . movie are 4$ , 6$ if you are not a student/elderly . Yeah so people are like totaly dreaming about 60$+ books that weight more , so are harder to carry around specialy when your already carring a lot of units hard to transport .

Edit - We do not advocate piracy here at Dakka under any circumstances. MT11

How come my non - GW softback rulebooks dont fall apart ?

This is more an indictment of GW quality isnt it when they fall apart like described ?

Experiment 626 wrote:



As a Fantasy player, I can say that the new hardbacks are most definately worth it. Paperbacks, no matter how well they're looked after will fall apart after time and are just so easy to get the corners torn up and the spine riped up.

Hardbacks need actual, full out effort to destroy!
Unlike those stupid Space Marine codices whose binding explodes the second you so much as breath on them! Hell, out of our GW store's initial shipment of 40 Marine codices, we had to write off 12 because the binding gave way as soon as they came out of the damn box they were shipped in! Within the first two weeks of their release, we'd had to replace over two dozen books!

Paperback codices are for chumps. While it'll take me longer to collect the newer books, at least I can read them without being forced to treat them like they're made of glass!

You must not have much experience with games workshop hardbacks.

I much prefer the "mini" rulebooks to the older ones that only came in hardback. Even not counting the packing and unpacking nightmare, those hardbacks do not stand up to the constant page flipping a rule book warrants. The mini rulebooks stand up to use much better.

canada must be an interesting place . because here I can buy I could buy 47 box of cigarets [could by more if I went after cheaper ones , but that is unhealthy] for 60$US . movie are 4$ , 6$ if you are not a student/elderly . Yeah so people are like totaly dreaming about 60$+ books that weight more , so are harder to carry around specialy when your already carring a lot of units hard to transport .

In canada a box of 25 smokes costs from between 7 for the cheap stuff, to 13 for the premiums. At 98 cents to the dollar compared to Americans, we're getting absolutely screwed...... That said about 60% + of the price is taxes...

Movies are ten bucks pretty much everywhere except on tuesdays.

The thing I really find annoying is the exchange rate between here and the states. Our dollar is nearly on par right now and yet were still paying upwards of 15% more on things. So if I order from the war store, I'm immediately getting 15% off just because of the exchange rate, and then I'm getting another 20 % off of that. I feel sorry for Canadian game stores...

If I use a soft cover often enough (Mordheim) I swing by Kinkos and have it spiral bound. Lasts forever.

This entire edition and this new chaos codex are blantant money grabs by GW. I'm not usually one to complain about a company trying to make money but...

Take a look at these prices. $50us for a codex, $70+us for a new flyer (which looks like half a model) $66us for a big monster.

That's almost $200us for 2 models and a book. There are more than enough suckers out there who "have" to buy enough to fill every FoC/ continue their collection/ ect.

To me that's absurd. I'm seriously, for the first time ever, actually thinking about leaving GW for another game system or something. I know that's just a typical responce to these kind of things.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm whining but no matter how you try to say something in text it just seems monotone and arrogant.

My problem is that I fear the future. Rumors have it that Orks will be getting a bunch of new things late next year (Cybork Nobz, terrain, Buggies). If that's true I can't wait...

Or do I really even want to? They'll be a typical annual price hike before then, bringing my $25us Nob box up to something like $33us.

The fact that these newer kits will have upgradable Nobz means GW will make them "pricey-er" (Death Company compared to Assault Squad) so they end up being around $35us - $45us.

I wouldn't doubt GW is going to screw us over with a kit that requires each box to have one model built as Painboy (Like the Mek in each box of Lootas/Burnas).

I could be completely wrong. Either way I think I'm kinda getting off topic so I'll stop here.

Yea, we australian cop the worst prices out. the codex is $83 and the hell drake is $81. and land raider is $110. i barely buy from games workshop anymore, its to expensive. hopefully the next DA codex won't be expensive.

Makumba wrote:

canada must be an interesting place . because here I can buy I could buy 47 box of cigarets [could by more if I went after cheaper ones , but that is unhealthy] for 60$US . movie are 4$ , 6$ if you are not a student/elderly . Yeah so people are like totaly dreaming about 60$+ books that weight more , so are harder to carry around specialy when your already carring a lot of units hard to transport .

Hate to break it to you, man, but cigarettes, regardless of price, aren't healthy.

Davor wrote:
I find this so funny. Yes the price is expensive, but I am sure alot of people who complain about price will go out and spend $$$ for booze or cirgarettes or watever else that is used up and can't be used again. At least GW stuff is good for 5 or more years, (better if you are a DE player )

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks. Oh wait, some people don't date so I guess it would be $15-$20 then. So for the price of 2 movies (or one if on a date, or with kids) it is the cost of a new 40K codex. The movie is done in 2-5 hours, the codex can be used for 4-5 years.

So lets see, a movie is $20/hour. A new codex at say $50 Canadian. So that is $50 for 4 years, or $12.50 for one year. Play 4 times a year, that is about $3.13 a game. So a game takes about 2 hours so that is about $1.50.

So are we really complaining about prices?

Ah yes, your stawman argument has totally made me seen the light


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Experiment 626 wrote:

Davor wrote:
I find this so funny. Yes the price is expensive, but I am sure alot of people who complain about price will go out and spend $$$ for booze or cirgarettes or watever else that is used up and can't be used again. At least GW stuff is good for 5 or more years, (better if you are a DE player )

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks. Oh wait, some people don't date so I guess it would be $15-$20 then. So for the price of 2 movies (or one if on a date, or with kids) it is the cost of a new 40K codex. The movie is done in 2-5 hours, the codex can be used for 4-5 years.

So lets see, a movie is $20/hour. A new codex at say $50 Canadian. So that is $50 for 4 years, or $12.50 for one year. Play 4 times a year, that is about $3.13 a game. So a game takes about 2 hours so that is about $1.50.

So are we really complaining about prices?

Welcome to the internet my friend, where the sky is always falling and logic needs never be considered!



As a Fantasy player, I can say that the new hardbacks are most definately worth it. Paperbacks, no matter how well they're looked after will fall apart after time and are just so easy to get the corners torn up and the spine riped up.

I have books from third edition that were never handled gently and are still sitting in my closet today after 10 years of use and moving.


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FWI, maybe if you didn't handle them like slowed gorillas they wouldn't fall apart so fast.

There is no soft cover.

Hardcover and color is GW's way to squeeze more money out of you for an already overpriced product. Really the original codex's should not have been any more then $10-$14, while these new ones shouldn't be anymore then $25

evilsponge wrote:

Davor wrote:
I find this so funny. Yes the price is expensive, but I am sure alot of people who complain about price will go out and spend $$$ for booze or cirgarettes or watever else that is used up and can't be used again. At least GW stuff is good for 5 or more years, (better if you are a DE player )

So lests see, going to a movie is about $40-$50 bucks. Oh wait, some people don't date so I guess it would be $15-$20 then. So for the price of 2 movies (or one if on a date, or with kids) it is the cost of a new 40K codex. The movie is done in 2-5 hours, the codex can be used for 4-5 years.

So lets see, a movie is $20/hour. A new codex at say $50 Canadian. So that is $50 for 4 years, or $12.50 for one year. Play 4 times a year, that is about $3.13 a game. So a game takes about 2 hours so that is about $1.50.

So are we really complaining about prices?

Ah yes, your stawman argument has totally made me seen the light.

If you're going to throw around terms, at least google them and check the definition first, his argument was not a strawman in any sense of the term. You could maybe, maybe make the argument that it's a red herring/fallacy of distraction, but that argument would be paper thin.

His point is that value is not an absolute(providing you subscribe to capitalist economic theory of course); people are willing to spend inordinate amounts of money on transitory experiences, and when viewed in that context it's not that vast a sum of money. It may be a lot of money for a codex, but whether it's too much money is a judgement which lies with the individual.

Davor wrote:
So are we really complaining about prices?

Complaining about prices compared to other similar products, sure. Complaining about the nature of the product (a big hard back book instead of some easy to carry paperback), of course.

Complaining about price in isolation? Maybe; it is still a pretty expensive book even if you may well use it more than you would a set of movie tickets and some popcorn.

$50 for a codex is a bit harsh.

Yes I understand the whole money to time ratio thing, and if that works for you great.

Look at the competition though. WM/H is starting to come into the same stratosphere as GW (granted not close yet but give it time).

BRB - $29, expansions $34 (and they are not needed to actualy play the game).

I'm glad I got out of the 40k world. The last money they got from me was the $75 6th BRB and I still have buyers remorse from that one.

I was at the store today playing WM/H and saw the new WD and while nicely redone I had no desire to pay $10 for a monthly magazine.

I have a feeling that when the codex hits the net it will be the most illegally downloaded codex in history.

The only people who are going to pay that price are those that actually want to field an army. The codex collector will just let it pass and download it at some later date.

I play chaos, but I aint paying 50 for a codex

I don't care what the excuse is $50 for 105 page book is to much. I'll wait and get it off eBay or amazon for cheaper or I won't get it at all. It doesn't hurt me to not have the book. I'll still get it the difference is I just won't be giving them my money. I'm not the one trying to make money off it. You can make the argument for hardback, color or 10% increase if you want. Their is a point were its just to pricey. I can buy a 800 page full color hardback book for $30 dollars right now. Did the cost of printing and colored ink sky rocket in Europe or something?