The Citadel Finecast metal to resin change thread.

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**DarkStarSabre**

MY GOD.

The Lictor finally got more expensive than what it was in 2nd edition.

By 50p.

**mikhaila**

tgf wrote:I post this once before and got accused of trolling, so I went to my LGS and talked to the owner and he allowed me to read the letter from GW. Finecast mini's will not be stocked in the US for the forseeable future. They will be special order only and stores are only allowed to order 3 of any finecast model at a time. In addition to that there was a warning about trying to circumvent the system. Finecast will be in very limited supply in the US.[/quote]

Well, your other post was significantly different than what you put up here. Also incorrect, and drama laden.

This one: I have been reading that GW is not only dropping the metal models but in addition to that they will not sell the plasti-resin replacements in the US or Austrilia. So 2/3 of the models will have to be purchased on expensive secondary markets. So the accusation of trolling wasn't too far off.

In your second post, (at the top), I put what you're correct about in bold, and what you're wrong about in italics.

-Currently finecast will be in short supply, with large monthly restocks into the US.
-FLGS with GW accounts can order through trade sales at normal discount.
-Stores were asked to place orders for finecast for the 28th of May release.
-Partnership stores had some priority.
-Max amount we could order was 3, with some models in even shorter supply. Azhag was pretty limited.
-As stocks increase, we'll be able to get more, and if there are models left over after trade sales has gotten orders from all stores, we can ask for more. (Not likely on the first wave.)
-We cannot place special orders through the website to get more.
-There is not enough, at least initially, to allocate product to distributors. Stores without GW accounts will therefore not be able to get the new finecast models at this time.

Haven't seen them yet, my shipment is on the way. I'll be able to sell them on the 28th, but GW is making sure FLGS get them on time.

**Kilkrazy**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop wrote:"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world..."

I love the smell of hubris in the morning...

There certainly aren't any Lammassus of that quality in resin anymore, not for, oooh, about a week.

I would stand Studio McVey up against GW any day..

http://www.studiomcvey.com/

**Slacker**

Or Scibor. I love the quality of the stuff I've gotten from them.

**Spyder68**

I'm glad its here..

No more.. oh my model fell over and the paint chipped after spending 6-8 hours painting it.

Alot easier to convert also.

**blood reaper**

I like the look of the new Resin models but I'm starting to find it difficult to find independent retailers that have a good price.

**tgf**

I think my original post was pretty close to, if finecast isn't on ebay may 29th for double retail prices I will be suprised. Its going to be limit supply high demand again, great secondary market LGS's getting screwed.

**cygnnus**

Mr. Burning wrote:Just read this on GW's website:

One thing you'll notice immediately when you pick them up is the exceptionally sharp detail on the model, which can only be described as staggering. For dedicated painters (which we all are to some extent) this is a dream come true.

If the original sculpt was soft how can finecast details be any sharper?

Just interested in how GW would get sharper detail off an existing sculpt (that metal failed to achieve). Or is the GW promoting the cap out of plastic being......the new plastic?

Metal shrinks as it cools, so some details get "softened" a bit. Moreover, even spin-cast metal still has some viscosity issues compared with some resins out there. Plastic molds can't be made with undercuts. All of which tends to mean that resin can take detail better than plastic or metal. That's why Studio McVey does some limited versions of their models in resin, for collectors and painters, and then "mass cast" metals with the slightly inferior detail.

Valete,

JohnS

**mikhaila**

tgf wrote:I think my original post was pretty close to, if finecast isn't on ebay may 29th for double retail prices I will be suprised. Its going to be limit supply high demand again, great secondary market LGS's getting screwed.

I think that your opinion is highly colored by the opinion of what your LGS is telling you. Personally, I'm not feeling too screwed at all. Do they not have a direct GW account or something? There was a lot of finecast models I didn't order because I already have the metal models in stock, or because the metal counterparts are slow as hell to sell. This isn't 120 new FW models, they've all been out before.

**Mr Nobody**

I'm wondering if their metal models will be on sail if they're phasing them out.

**Kilkrazy**

Spyder68 wrote:I'm glad its here..

No more.. oh my model fell over and the paint chipped after spending 6-8 hours painting it.

Alot easier to convert also.

I've been playing wargames with metal figures since 1980 and I've never had that problem.

**Ajroo**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Spyder68 wrote:I'm glad its here..

No more.. oh my model fell over and the paint chipped after spending 6-8 hours painting it.

Alot easier to convert also.

I've been playing wargames with metal figures since 1980 and I've never had that problem.

You must be playing on dutch battlegrounds then!

**tgf**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Spyder68 wrote:I'm glad its here..

No more.. oh my model fell over and the paint chipped after spending 6-8 hours painting it.

Alot easier to convert also.

I've been playing wargames with metal figures since 1980 and I've never had that problem.

Agreed wash with soap and water, then prime before painting so the paint will actually stick.

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mikhaila wrote:
tgf wrote:I think my original post was pretty close to, if finecast isn't on ebay may 29th for double retail prices I will be suprised. Its going to be limit supply high demand again, great secondary market LGS's getting screwed.

I think that your opinion is highly colored by the opinion of what your LGS is telling you. Personally, I'm not feeling too screwed at all. Do they not have a direct GW account or something? There was a lot of finecast models I didn't order because I already have the metal models in stock, or because the metal counterparts are slow as hell to sell. This isn't 120 new FW models, they've all been out before.

The only metals they have left are crappy ones like tombspiders and pyrovores, anything of value was long gone weeks ago. Tell you what on 6-3 we can check ebay and see who is nuts.

**Spyder68**

Some of the tables are a bit rough, but nothing bad. no matter what ive done though ive had chipping issues with metal.

Usually using these steps.

Washed models with a little dawn.

Rinsed them very well. 1 day to dry.

Basecoat with P3 Primer. 1 full day dry.

Wash to ensure 100% coverage. 1 full day to dry.

Paint primary color 1 day to dry.

Paint rest of main colors. 1 day to dry.

Do details. 1 day to dry.

Clearcoat with almost no humidity and high quality model clearcoat 1 day dry.

Repeat above step.

2 weeks later, model gets bumped or falls off a bit of terrian and the cape is chipped.

**Kilkrazy**

Are you using Citadel paints and varnish?

**mikhaila**

tgf wrote:
mikhaila wrote:
tgf wrote:I think my original post was pretty close to, if finecast isn't on ebay may 29th for double retail prices I will be suprised. Its going to be limit supply high demand again, great secondary market LGS's getting screwed.

I think that your opinion is highly colored by the opinion of what your LGS is telling you. Personally, I'm not feeling too screwed at all. Do they not have a direct GW account or something? There was a lot of finecast models I didn't order because I already have the metal models in stock, or because the metal counterparts are slow as hell to sell. This isn't 120 new FW models, they've all been out before.

The only metals they have left are crappy ones like tombspiders and pyrovores, anything of value was long gone weeks ago. Tell you what on 6-3 we can check ebay and see who is nuts.

I don't recall saying you'r nuts, and can't quite see how the price of models on ebay could make either of us so.

Did your store have much in the way of metals to start with? When you say 'gone weeks ago' it's a bit tough to believe since it was only weeks ago that we were asked to stop ordering a lot of metals. Even then, I've restocked a ton of stuff from Direct Sales, and the dozen or so distributors in the US that still had stock. I'm only half through my stock of metals at this point, although I'll grant that my supplies were large to start with.

And if your LGS sold through all it's metal, and now will have supplies of insanely fast resin models coming in, I'm sort of confused by how they are getting screwed. There's a bit of chaos in adjusting to the new system, but that's a common enough element in running a game store. Hell, just keeping up my stock on Warmahordes has me and two managers checking with distributors daily and ordering crazy on some models, since we don't know when we'll get another chance.

**Ouze**

Kroothawk wrote:Just wait for next month's Finecast release to prove their global superiority:

In GWS's defense, man there are details on that model, that, like, you can't even see in metal. It's going to look totally sweet in ~~resin~~ Finecast.

**spaceelf**

mikhaila wrote:
tgf wrote:I think my original post was pretty close to, if finecast isn't on ebay may 29th for double retail prices I will be suprised. Its going to be limit supply high demand again, great secondary market LGS's getting screwed.

I think that your opinion is highly colored by the opinion of what your LGS is telling you. Personally, I'm not feeling too screwed at all. Do they not have a direct GW account or something? There was a lot of finecast models I didn't order because I already have the metal models in stock, or because the metal counterparts are slow as hell to sell. This isn't 120 new FW models, they've all been out before.

The only metals they have left are crappy ones like tombspiders and pyrovores, anything of value was long gone weeks ago. Tell you what on 6-3 we can check ebay and see who is nuts.

**tgf**

They usually kept at least 1 or 2 of every model in stock and would obviously buy a bunch during the new release period. I went last week looking for jump pack chaplain and they told me they hadn't been able to order metal for weeks. Their peg board is now mostly white cards that say out of stock.

**RiTides**

Not totally on-topic, but... I keep trying to find people who have actually seen a razorgor in person. The model is not that bad, it's that horrible bug / bulge-eyed paint job that they foolishly pictured it with.

I just don't like seeing that model get bashed more than it deserves. It's not stellar, but it's not terrible either, although the paint job makes it look pretty bad.

More on-topic: The GWs around here also have pretty bare metal sections, but only because they're waiting for the finecast stuff to come in... not really a big deal imho.

**mikhaila**

RiTides wrote:Not totally on-topic, but... I keep trying to find people who have actually seen a razorgor in person. The model is not that bad, it's that horrible bug / bulge-eyed paint job that they foolishly pictured it with.

I just don't like seeing that model get bashed more than it deserves. It's not stellar, but it's not terrible either, although the paint job makes it look pretty bad.

Agreed. The minos were the same way. I've seen some very nice razorgor paint jobs, and several converted with a bit of green stuff that look outstanding.

More on topic: A fix for a wall fulll of cards that say 'out of stock', is to take down the cards, consolodate the space the models take up, order in a bunch of miniatures from Scribor, CMoN, Helldorado, Sodapop, and Gamezone. Fills the empty wall, and gives the FLGS more things to sell while you wait for GW to make more stuff.

**Spyder68**

Kilkrazy wrote:Are you using Citadel paints and varnish?

Citadel Paints but using a different varnish. Trying to think of what its called the small cans thats in the model car section as it has never foged when using.

Paint chips off clear to bare metal.

**tgf**

RiTides wrote:Not totally on-topic, but... I keep trying to find people who have actually seen a razorgor in person. The model is not that bad, it's that horrible bug / bulge-eyed paint job that they foolishly pictured it with.

I just don't like seeing that model get bashed more than it deserves. It's not stellar, but it's not terrible either, although the paint job makes it look pretty bad.

More on-topic: The GWs around here also have pretty bare metal sections, but only because they're waiting for the finecast stuff to come in... not really a big deal imho.

They did the same thing with the minotaurs, deep deep ugly inking that made them look cartoonish.

**kestral**

If they are right about the joints being durable, that might sway me to buy one someday during my lifespan. Maybe. Assuming things break my way in retirement.

**johnscott10**

I think myself, and many others, will more than likely be leaving the hobby pretty soon. The prices they are chargin are starting to get beyond a joke. Okay so the prices went up earlier this year but that wasnt due to GW that was solely coz of the

(insert own deletive) government increasing the VAT.

However after taking a few select models from the price list on the 1st page and comparing them to their current prices, some of the increases dont make sence. The nurgle greater daemon model remained the same price, yet other had an extra £4 or so added on! WTF

Now I wouldnt be too bothered if this had happened before I bought the IOB set coz not only was i enjoying fantasy but now I actually have to buy stuff to get a fairly decent army. Im one of these guys who starts and finishes something. So there goes a few ££ on models which I could be using for other means.

I swear GW are trying to scare of their only payin customers so that they can say that the business is over and leave with big fat pockets.

I will note however that I will still continue to show my face to play games and what not, but not actually buy anything unless these "Finecast" models are actually more detailed and worth the price raise which I highly doubt.

**whoadirty**

mikhaila wrote:

More on topic: A fix for a wall fulll of cards that say 'out of stock', is to take down the cards, consolodate the space the models take up, order in a bunch of miniatures from Scribor, CMoN, Helldorado, Sodapop, and Gamezone. Fills the empty wall, and gives the FLGS more things to sell while you wait for GW to make more stuff.

Except that doesn't help the customer looking for the items that are out of stock.

**RiTides**

They'll be back in stock in a week or so... not that long to wait!

**whoadirty**

RiTides wrote:They'll be back in stock in a week or so... not that long to wait!

Sure, if I buy through GW. My local LGS was told there would be a delay on him being able to order them. Might not be until October. On one hand GW restricts Maelstrom because they aren't supporting the hobby, and on the other they make it so the non "Premier" accounts can't get in product. How do they support the hobby if they can't sell the customer product?

**RiTides**

October sounds just a little bit crazy to me... I'd like to see if that's still the case in a few weeks.

Unless they don't have a GW account, and are looking at when distributors would get them... I really have no idea, just that they'll be pretty widely available in a week...

**Grabzak Dirtyfighter**

I think that if these Finecast models look as nice as the pictures of the unpainted models that are about, They may actually be worth the money