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Mr Nobody wrote:I'm wondering if their metal models will be on sail if they're phasing them out.

1. Sale
2. They're recycling all the old metal

I'm curious to see if anything from the Speciality Games section (Mordheim etc) get the "Finecast" treatment?

At the last shareholders meeting, someone said they had a fiduciary obligation to the shareholders. What they heard was fu-dush-baggery obligation to their customers :-P

They went straight to work implementing the new directive....

Somebody take one of these new miniatures, undercoat and paint it then drop it onto a hard concrete floor from at least six feet. If it survives, then I will be convinced.

Got a mail from GW with a sneak peek of Finecast models,featuring a model of each games







Gotta admit,that they look pretty good to me.

Even if the first pic that we had from the Skaven lord wasn't great(it was a grainy pic after all).

Slayer le boucher wrote:Got a mail from GW with a sneak peek of Finecast models,featuring a model of each games

Gotta admit,that they look pretty good to me.

Even if the first pic that we had from the Skaven lord wasn't great(it was a grainy pic after all).

Ever seen what the McBurgers look like on the Price Board compared to what you end up with in your hand?
I don't think the contrast would be that bad, but of course they look good - these are their showcase demo photos to get you all excited for Resin.

Notice that in the pictures with the email, the painted figures are not the same as the painted figs?
Small details; but on the Eldar, the sword blade is different and on the Chaos Warrior the skull around his neck & end of his belt are different. I'm betting the painted pics sare just old metal figs.

Oh, wow- good catch!

LuigiX wrote:Notice that in the pictures with the email, the painted figures are not the same as the painted figs?
Small details; but on the Eldar, the sword blade is different and on the Chaos Warrior the skull around his neck & end of his belt are different. I'm betting the painted pics are just old metal figs.

If you really want to get technical:

The sword blade is 'different' because the arm is posed differently. That's a pretty easy catch to make, because in the unpainted photo he's pointing it out at the camera in a kind of 'challenge' pose, while in the painted photo he looks to have his blade kind of in a 'postswing'.
His head's also at a different angle.

The Chaos Warrior skull part looks to be an optical illusion, using the reference points of his knee armor and his boots, they've been taken at noticeably different angles. Namely: the unpainted photo was taken at an angle to get in as much of the detail on the model, while the painted photo looks to have been taken head on.

Either that or they opted to get rid of part of the skull when transferring it to Finecast.



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Bear in mind: I'm not saying it's not possible that it's the 'metal version' of the models.

But the rest of the details are a pretty good match on all cases. It might simply be that they had the unpainted ones mocked up by someone different than the one that was to be painted.

Hmm given the look of the pics I may still buy some GW stuff just not as often or as big. Perhaps say a model or box per month istead of say 50 models worth per month.

Tbf I love the hobby and want to support it, I dont love it enough to be spending £50-100 a month on it though.

I have this sinking feeling that the Sisters of Battle Update will be, " OUR FIRST ALL RESIN ARMY" and will be fourty or fifty dollar a box for five Sisters, but " ALL RESIN, LULZ!"

Scull on the neck of chaos warrior is 100% not the same.. on painted mini its longer (almost twice as)

i find it humorous they choose 2 models that do not have a lot of detail to show off. If they want to wow us they should make something more like this.




Especially at the prices they are asking. I really don't want to see a recast of the 90's inspired Vardek Krom or Space Elf Birdman with extra maxi pad armor if they want me to buy.

Spyder68 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Are you using Citadel paints and varnish?

Citadel Paints but using a different varnish. Trying to think of what its called the small cans thats in the model car section as it has never foged when using.

Paint chips off clear to bare metal.

Humbrol.

You should try using more varnish. I always do a layer of gloss polyurethane followed by a layer of matt.

Pewter (Painted)



Finecast (Unpainted)



For me, this illustrates what my biggest problem always was with the Pewter figures - the detail was always so "rounded" and soft edged!

penek wrote:Scull on the neck of chaos warrior is 100% not the same.. on painted mini its longer (almost twice as)

Also his head is at a different angle. They're clearly different models, not before/after shots but who knows if they're both resin or not.

If you look at the horse's rear armour, the middle strake has a slight dent on it. This can be seen on both models.

I would say it is cast from a mould taken from the same master.

The two pictures are taken from different angles and are different sizes, and one of them is painted, so it's difficult to make a very close comparison.

Assuming the top one is metal, I can't see why people are complaining that resin delivers less detail. The detail is just as good.

...they kinda look the same to me. Granted they haven't shown off a lot of models yet, but the ones we've seen haven't floored me like I was expecting them to...especially considering bold claims like:

"a new era in wargaming"

"the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen"

"the next step in the evolution in tabletop miniatures wargaming"

"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world"

I mean seriously, that's a lot of bs, and so far they've failed to convince me. It's just a lot of hype and lies, they're trying way too hard to hide the fact that this is simply a cost-cutting measure and in justifying the increased cost.

Maybe I'll change my mind when they start showing off Dark Eldar models but as of now: GW is full of it.

Kanluwen wrote:The sword blade is 'different' because the arm is posed differently. That's a pretty easy catch to make, because in the unpainted photo he's pointing it out at the camera in a kind of 'challenge' pose, while in the painted photo he looks to have his blade kind of in a 'postswing'.His head's also at a different angle.

Not talking about the angle of the sword; look at the back of the blade. On the unpainted, it's flat; on the painted, it is rounded

Kanluwen wrote:The Chaos Warrior skull part looks to be an optical illusion, using the reference points of his knee armor and his boots, they've been taken at noticeably different angles. Namely: the unpainted photo was taken at an angle to get in as much of the detail on the model, while the painted photo looks to have been taken head on.
Either that or they opted to get rid of part of the skull when transferring it to Finecast.

The skull is definitely different- look at the "snout" which exists on the painted version but not the unpainted. This isn't a matter of perspective but a different item. Same with the end of the belt- on is longer and rounded.

Again, these are very piddling details, but it's pretty shady that they're selling something as new & improved using pictures of the old product.

Folks,
Just been to my FLGS and after a chat with the manager who's been able to handle the Citadel Finecast models, can confirm the following:

1) The detail is indeed crisper and more defined
2) The resin is soft and bendable, great for customisation
3) It contains micropores which superglue will actually seep into, basically meaning that the join is the strongest part of the model
4) The material can be bent and re-postitioned by putting it into a bowl of warm/hot water and bending it there - easy solution to straighten bent swords, re-postioning arms etc.

If even half of these are true, then this is to me at least, a game changer...

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Folks,
Just been to my FLGS and after a chat with the manager who's been able to handle the Citadel Finecast models, can confirm the following:

1) The detail is indeed crisper and more defined
2) The resin is soft and bendable, great for customisation
3) It contains micropores which superglue will actually seep into, basically meaning that the join is the strongest part of the model
4) The material can be bent and re-postitioned by putting it into a bowl of warm/hot water and bending it there - easy solution to straighten bent swords, re-postioning arms etc.

If even half of these are true, then this is to me at least, a game changer...

Wow seems I may enjoy working with resin purely on the fact that joints are strong, no mare breaking a pistol off of Kharns arm lol.

The blood knight does look crisper to me than the painted (metal) version... is it possible they're trying to do comparison shots and just really, really not explaining it well?

I think that could be it...

Edit: Ah, no. Just checked the website and they have the painted pics labelled as Finecast. Erhm, yeah...

unique resin formula

Read: the resin is made so that our superglue actually can glue something
Read: Uniique we can charge more

but it's incredibly light too

OMG they have studied physics, sure its lighter, to make pewter models even heavier you'll have to add uranium.

main reasons for this change to resin was quality.

Read: Its cheaper, transport costs are by the weight.

you'll find over 100 new clampacks and boxed sets

Read: 101 and the one model you want is discontinued forever.

There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world

PP, maxmini, Fenryll, Microart studios, Forgeworld........

Conclusion

All GW those guys are saying is MORE EXPENSIVE (expect forgeworld prices ( They are using words like quality, unique, one of a kind, never seen before to soften the blow* )
( *must be one of those management classes which use words like empowered, transition, restructure, market driven etc. )

BTW.
Resin ages, after a while it will loose its sharp edges, and become brittle.
I'd rather inhale some pewter than resin dust.
Resin when dropped will break, if the resin is fllexible enough to bend it will hold no detail.
And those painted models do look pretty much like the original metal miniatures.

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:4) The material can be bent and re-postitioned by putting it into a bowl of warm/hot water and bending it there - easy solution to straighten bent swords, re-postioning arms etc.

I thought one of the advantages of resin was that spears, banner poles, lances etc wouldn't be bent in the first place.

More fail GW

LuigiX wrote: I'm betting the painted pics sare just old metal figs.

Often enough to get the miniatures painted in time for publicity shots, and because they look nicer, the models photographed are cast in resin rather than metal. So really reality is moving closer to a truthful representation.

Soulhunter wrote:

unique resin formula

Read: the resin is made so that our superglue actually can glue something
Read: Uniique we can charge more

Actually what makes it unique is that it supposedly contains plastic powder mixed into the resin so that the plastic cement you use for your plastic minis will work with these... thus making them compatible with plastic bits.

I'm going to get some greenstuff, grind in some old sprues, and sell it as supergoodcast.

GUYS IT'S REALLY GREAT YOU SHOULD TOTALLY BUY IT PLEASE BUY IT

You can tell the Eldar one is different minis as well. No Im not talking about the arms being in a different position. I figured, maybe the arm broke off or you can see in the unpainted one, theres a gap between the arm and body, so I figure if they were the same someone just fixed it.

BUT the telling sign here is, look at the feathers on its helm. On the right side of the head on unpainted, you see how SHARP the feathers are on the end at the bottom of the feather patch. Now look at the mini on the right....the feathers on the bottom are almost gloppy looping and smoothed on the edge

Was the dust inhalation issue address anywhere? Sorry in the sea of lamentations I couldn't find it and my nephew is starting 40K, I'd like to give him some proper advice on that.

I remember seeing on their facebook last night that it's totally non-toxic and requires no special preparation.

Thank you, sounds good. Wonder how they managed that- and how much R&D money went into developing the new material?