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The sci fi races are new sprues, according to mantic fanatic sources.

Looks interesting. Really want to see the actual spruces.

kenshin620 wrote:Probably becuase its much cheaper to make a few conversion bitz, new races would require a much bigger investment

It has been stated by someone who works for mantic that these models will NOT be conversion bitz for their existing fantasy dwarves and orcs, like the abyssal dwarves were.

They will be 100% new sculpts.

In other words, not a half-assed effort. We'll be getting a proper set of plastics (probably 4 kits for each race on release), along with either hybrid metal or resin plastic for the smaller elite units in each list that have 5-10 models.

Naturally, it'll also be a dead certainty that there will be a starter box absolutely crammed with plastic... probably twice as many models as Black Reach, for about 30% cheaper.

Orks are one of the most popular armies that they can easily do without treading on GW's IP, and Forgefathers are a bold attempt to make some headlines and come out with a new and massively better take on a potentially very cool concept that GW haven't attempted to do anything with for 15 years.

Forgefathers effectively are a new race, and something totally new from mantic. Their background and miniatures will look absolutely nothing like the silly attempt at harley davidson riding fantasy dwarfs that GW made 20 years ago and then had eaten by tyranids instead of bothering to come up with something more creative for them.

Ah well I stand corrected

Maybe they'll make better elves in space then.......

Ah, now the space elves I'm not so sure about.

I actually consider the eldar to be one of the most interesting things that GW has done. Jes Goodwin's personal project that only really borrows the stereotypes of "dying race" and "tall with pointy ears". Beyond those similarities there is a whole lot of interesting background and the design of the models is something that I feel is genuinely unique and not a direct rip from some other source.

A lot of the appeal of the eldar comes from that background, and mantic will have to be careful about how they depict theirs... certainly making them fay pixies like their fantasy elves will not go down well.

A corsair approach could work really well though, that's a sort of neutral, mostly self-serving faction in-between the dark eldar and craftworld eldar that hasn't received much attention since rogue trader days.. all eldar were corsairs back then, so it would fit well with the rogue trader vibe they seem to have going on.

For example.. some background text like a bunch of forgefathers fighting a bloody battle to defend a rich asteroid against marauders... then after the battle ending in a bloody stalemate the eldar show up, wipe out the remaining survivors and steal the resources would be a very interesting way to depict the various races and how they go about things.

I'd like to see a real struggle over critical resources, such as planets with a breathable atmosphere and rare elements... both things are in incredibly short supply in the galaxy, complete needles in haystacks.

Amongst all the condemnations flying about, here is a quite well written blog post about why PP and Mantic's games (Kings of War and the forthcoming Warpath) might well be beneficial not only to us as hobbyists, but to the whole industry and even GW in the long term.

I recommend that everyone read it!

http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/06/in-defense-of-being-similar.html

Good article

Only thing I'd say is that it is a little early to declare Level 7 a 40k clone/competitor, when all we know about it is it is a sci-fi game - without knowing the degree of grimdark or the scale (both in terms of models and number of models), that comparison is tricky to make.

Having said that, I'm willing to retract this statement if future news indicates that it is aimed squarely at the 40k market.

I saw this earlier today. Check out Mantic's new video!

http://youtu.be/H-e0q2EBkkE

I love how they always leave wee teasers and easter eggs in the background.

Rule No1: We dont talk about race.

Rule No2: We dont talk about race 8

wonder what race 8 will be, must be the big bad race that can end the galaxy.

I dont think Race 8 is for Warpath, more likely for KoW since only 7 of their 8 races are known (even though its quite obvious the only fantasy niche they're missing is humans, how they'll look though...)

kenshin620 wrote:I dont think Race 8 is for Warpath, more likely for KoW since only 7 of their 8 races are known (even though its quite obvious the only fantasy niche they're missing is humans, how they'll look though...)

Race 8 is listed as an ally option in one of the army lists in the Alpha, so in this instance it is for Warpath.

Ahh I see, I havent see that yet

Mantic videos really need to be abit more professional looking -_-
its hard to take them seriously otherwise.

LunaHound wrote:Mantic videos really need to be abit more professional looking -_-
its hard to take them seriously otherwise.

I think that's the point!

Baragash wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:I dont think Race 8 is for Warpath, more likely for KoW since only 7 of their 8 races are known (even though its quite obvious the only fantasy niche they're missing is humans, how they'll look though...)

Race 8 is listed as an ally option in one of the army lists in the Alpha, so in this instance it is for Warpath.

They also mention that they don't talk about race 8 in the announcement video on BOW.

Also the alpha has me impressed so far im loving it.

Hm, just some comments: You can call then space dwarfs, but please dont call then squats or demiurgs. If you want to be "less generic" go for Forgefathers.

I posted this is the Mantic forum, and there is other "primordial races" to use in sci-fi, whyle elves can be kept in a very orginal "wood elves" style (living ships, less barbaric elements, green and white with gems).
Some primordial races are the Greys, the short big eyed, super techie X-files aliens.
The others are the neves explored Space Dragons. I hope to see some more originality, as until now nothing except rules looks 40k copy...

Sorry dude, they'll always be Squats to me. I'm even considering painting an "S" on thier armor.

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I understando you... S of Stubborn, and Strong...

I could not help myself, when you say Squat i remember this:

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Call them as you want, but squats will always remember that...

Does anyone know when the beta will be out?

This week Choco'Gork iirc
Check on BoW or the Mantic website for news

Grot 6 wrote:After reading the vomit that 6th edition is rumored to become?


!@#$ it, I'm sold, mantic.


THANK YOU for doing the right thing here and running a better system by far. I am not easily impressed by models, but I am completely sold in this case.

So, on the basis of a bunch of rumours from an anonymous source and an unreleased game system, you're already 'completely sold' on the latter. And you wonder why GW doesn't seem to take the internet seriously?


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scarletsquig wrote:Orks are one of the most popular armies that they can easily do without treading on GW's IP, and Forgefathers are a bold attempt to make some headlines and come out with a new and massively better take on a potentially very cool concept that GW haven't attempted to do anything with for 15 years.

Forgefathers effectively are a new race, and something totally new from mantic. Their background and miniatures will look absolutely nothing like the silly attempt at harley davidson riding fantasy dwarfs that GW made 20 years ago and then had eaten by tyranids instead of bothering to come up with something more creative for them.

Sorry, but the artwork appears to contradict you. These designs are still obviously based on the Squats. The padded uniforms, big gloves, oversized guns and pseudo-Celtic theme to the armour are 'copied from' rather than 'inspired by' the GW models. They're still essentially, as a couple of other posters have pointed out, space dwarves, and there's no doubt that Mantic are looking to pick up on the apparent demand for Squat models. If they'd dropped the beards and the Celtic theme, then it would be something new.

They as though they could be very nice models. But don't pretend there's anything particularly revolutionary going on here.

From the Mantic newsletter:

Finally, this is the last newsletter before we send out the free Warpath Beta rules and army lists. You guys will get them first – so please, pretty please (with laz-guns) get your mates, friends, wives, servants or your pets (we don’t recommend Orcs) to sign-up! so they get a first look at the beta too!

I do quite like how the Orx look, no matter how, um, similar they are. Still, it would be fun to have a game with orcs are some kind of green skinned technologically advanced super race!

I don't recall seeing anything Celtic about the design either GW or Mantic


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Just noticed on the BoW site that there is a subscription for the Beta rules - top right corner
hth

Beta release delay makes me a SAAAAAD PANDA :(

Just checked the mantic blog, 4 days remaining till beta is released Cant wait, but I am really wanting to see some pics of models. The concept art looks amazing, I just really hope that the models capture a lot of the detail thats on the sketches are are not to bland.

Less than six hours remaining until the Beta rules release. If ye haven't already, be sure to sign up to the Mantic newsletter!

Just got the beta rules and the Marauders and Forgefather's army lists. Looking through them now.

So culling the 'named' races in Warpath based of the Allies section of the army lists, we have:

Marauders (Orcs)
Forgefathers (Dwarves)
Corporation
Rebs
Asterians
'the eighth race'

Leaves 2 at large if there really are eight. Discuss as to the lineage of the other named and at large races. I'd have to say Corporation/Humans, Rebs/Pirate Humans, Asterians/Elfy-things. So that would leave some type of Robot, Bug and possibly (gasp) some new race?