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Damn it. I want some painter tape now.

leohart wrote:Damn it. I want some painter tape now.

1+ I could do so much with a roll, and pinstripers tape too!

leohart wrote:Damn it. I want some painter tape now.

It does look nice!

Capitansolstice wrote:

leohart wrote:Damn it. I want some painter tape now.

1+ I could do so much with a roll, and pinstripers tape too!

I need to look into getting some pin stripers tape, I haven't played with that, but I could see being able to do a cross hatch pattern fairly easy with some thin strips of painters type paint.


I put together some of the knights today, trimmed up a bunch of the flash, I'll assemble the metal knights tonight and then prime them. I'm looking at priming them P3 White and then painting them either boltgun or chainmail primarily and then painting up the accent colors in Red & Yellow.

You can see some inspirational material in the background, I'm reading the collected Knights of Bretonnia books by Ant Reynolds. The main character is Calard of Garamont and in the early part of the first book it describes his fathers ( the Castellan of Garamont) colors as red and yellow.

Knights are lookin good. Cant wait to see these finished!

nice looking Bretonnians!

Rogue Wolves wrote:nice looking Bretonnians!

Thank you!

threedguru wrote:Knights are lookin good. Cant wait to see these finished!

Thanks! Still a lot of work to go though and I've got more coming in to help build this army up.

hmm.. what color should I prime the Pegasus? Red & Yellow, Red & White, White & Yellow, White & Black, Red & Black, Red & Space Wolf Grey, etc. etc..

red and black.. hmm.. the black side would be difficult to paint the horse up from, he'd have to go grey, the white to make the horse white and the tabard/barding red & black

I could try to make the Pegasus Grey with white wing tips. that might look good. prime the wings separately, white and then paint from there.

I've been prepping and putting together an Army Battle Standard bearer, a Bretonnian Lord, two Reaper miniatures to proxy as damsels (til I can locate the proper models), a few more men at arms, the Knights and Pegasus.


The Knights are difficult to stand up for priming and the usual tape in place technique wouldn't work, so I stuck them into the cardboard upside down. Here you can see a couple of the picture of the Damsels as well as the set up before priming.




I had an almost empty can of Citadel Skull White, so I figured I'd use that to prime the Knights and damsels as well as the army banner







The Banner!


Now the Red / Black Primer possibility for the Pegasus








Knight unit standard bearer arm


Tried to use painters tape to tape off half of the horses head so I could get a half red / half yellow color pattern for some of my horses, if it doesn't work then some of the horses are just going to be a straight red or a straight yellow. There's already too much primer involved on these heads.




The last two men at arms, these will be the standard bearer models for the unit of men at arms or archers, they'll fit in nicely with either unit.


Everything is drying and getting ready for the follow up layers of paint. I'm still debating whether to attempt further heraldry on the horses and knights or just leave as is. That reminds me, I need to do the knights shields! Going back to priming!


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Picked everything up from the priming area:


Here is the multicolor primed Pegasus in Red / Black:





The taping (by using painters tape) off half of the horses heads seems to have worked out well, giving me a cleaner divide between the red and yellow primers, so this might be something that I do in the future. Though it really isn't necessary.

Been working on the Men At Arms tonight, assembly line painting them to get them to a decent table top 3 color standard.

Primarily, they'll stay the leather brown primer, Boltgun metal was used on the helmet, armor and weapon pieces. Then I used Elf Flesh on the hands and faces of the models.

I'm planning to do accents in both Red & Yellow to get these guys in line with the Split color on their shield and the Knights I've already worked on. This might be something as simple as a red collar and yellow sleeves or one sleeve yellow and the other red. Just to get more color onto the models.

I'm going to wash the models with a thinned down Chaos Black Wash I used for the Red Orks and then hit them with the Army painter Soft Tone shade ( I bought the stuff so I might as well use it. ). Then I'll hit them with a Citadel Matte Coat I picked up to test out, this should take care of the shiny varnish effect of the Army Painter Shade.

Shouldn't you already have painted them the colour you want before applying the quick shade? Or is their halberd poles, armours and shoes all having the same colour?

leohart wrote:Shouldn't you already have painted them the colour you want before applying the quick shade? Or is their halberd poles, armours and shoes all having the same colour?

I used the Army Painter Leather Brown color, there isn't any shading on the models yet. I'm still doing base colors.

Speaking of base colors, the models are primed Leather brown, the metal is the old citadel GW Boltgun metal, the flesh is Elf Flesh and I've begun using Blood Red, its an old pot I've had around and just want to finish off.

This is my setup while at Fat Ogre Games & Comics, I like to put down a layer of cardboard and then I have a mat that is essentially old newspaper that over time I've covered in layers of tape. The tape helps to protect the paper and sort of acts like a large palette (sp?) I set everything up, two cups of clean waters, several brushes, the starbucks stir sticks I use to dip into the paint pot rather than using a brush. I've got my models organized to the left after I apply paint to the sections of the model I want them to have the paint on. I apply the same color to the same model type and this helps with assembly line painting.




I didn't get much more painting done yesterday at Fat Ogre, I play Warmachine and Thursday night is the Warmachine night and people started to arrive, so I cleaned up my stuff and got my models together for that. Several good games were played.

I set up later in a similar situation and get ready to work on assembly line painting these models.








I'm getting some progress on the accent colors on the men at arms and the bowmen. Adding Yellow and Red to their uniforms they have at least two to three layers of the red & yellow. The yellow over brown primer has been a bit of a pain.





I did a couple layers of citadel golden yellow and now have a mix of sunburst + golden yellow I'm applying on top of the golden yellow layers. I'm letting everything dry and we'll see where we got from here.




So thats where I'm at now. I need to figure out the heraldry for the knights and then go from there with them. Been looking at http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=1775&Itemid=103 and elsewhere online for inspiration.

As always C&C is appreciated!

I have the models from the Bretonnian Battalion box Justin, so I'm building and painting all of them. I'm trying to decide if I want to try to do individual heraldry on the knights horses or just leave them a solid color.

My Options are to halve the shield and do one side red and the other Yellow with no symbol in the center. I'm looking for stencils or a shaped hole punch designs that I can cut into painters tape and then paint over the stencil to keep the design clean.


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Worked some more on the Peasant Bowmen, Men At Arms as well as the knights mounts, painting the horses in a light tan color.


Primed up the knights shields to begin working on the heraldry/quartering of the shields to match the shields I'm going to paint on the horses shields using painters tape and something to block the color like newspaper or another thick paper/substance that won't soak or get wet when its hit by the primer.


Grabbed a Bretonnian army off another site for a decent price:
QTY) Type:
31) Knights of the Realm/Knights Errant
10) Metal Mounted Yeomen on Plastic Horses
16) Peasant Bowmen
20) Men-At-Arms
20) Barbarian Men-At-Arms (Wargames Factory Celts fielded as Men-At-Arms)
2) Pegasus Knights
2) Trebuchet
1) Lord on Griffon (Bretonnian Knight mounted on the Blood Island Elf Falcon/Griffon







I Think I've got on hand or en route:
2x Bretonnian Battalion (The box includes bits for:
1 Pegasus Knight, 20 Men-at-arms (including Champion, Standard Bearer and Musician), 16 Bowmen (including Champion, Standard Bearer and Musician) and 8 Knights of the Realm (including Champion, Standard Bearer and Musician)
1x men-at-arms box
1x Bretonnian Bowmen
1x 5th edition starter box (with Bretonnians and Lizardmen)
4x Bretonnian Spearmen (will be put in to the men-at-arms unit)
2x Reaper miniature female sorcerer models (to act as damsels)
And,3 more Pegasus Knights. ( I still need to grab from a buddy... )

Warhammer fantasy 5th edition starter box contents
12 Bretonnian Knights
24 Bretonnian Bowmen
32 Lizardmen Skinks
20 Lizardmen Saurus
Some cardstock terrain
All the usual rule books and accessories.

Then the army pictured above:
31) Knights of the Realm/Knights Errant
10) Metal Mounted Yeomen on Plastic Horses
16) Peasant Bowmen
20) Men-At-Arms
20) Barbarian Men-At-Arms (Wargames Factory Celts fielded as Men-At-Arms)
2) Pegasus Knights
2) Trebuchet

Looks like all I'll need to work on getting next is some more mounted and dismounted Damsels, the Green Knight and look at the Grail Knights / Grail Reliques, though I could probably convert some of the Knights I've got into Grail knights, considering magnetizing or drill & pin helmets and heads, but not glue them down.

I have a bad habit of taking flying leaps into new games.

I'd have suggested going the Perry, Fireforge game historical model route for this army. I'd also suggest looking at some of the old metal knights on ebay but boy am I jealous I didn't think of the horse half idea. Incidentally for yellow on brown try priming it with Tan first it generally works well.

Llamahead wrote:I'd have suggested going the Perry, Fireforge game historical model route for this army. I'd also suggest looking at some of the old metal knights on ebay but boy am I jealous I didn't think of the horse half idea. Incidentally for yellow on brown try priming it with Tan first it generally works well.

I've got a bad habit of taking flying leaps into new armies. Stateside, acquiring Perry Miniatures models can be tough, I've only just learned of the FireForge models (They look awesome!) and the Ex Illis models, as well as several other lines of miniatures that all could have been proxies for Bretonnians. I had found several older men at arms spearmen models in my parents garage and that sparked my interested, so I picked up a Bretonnian Battalion box and that sat in my garage for awhile. Wanting to have a playable army that looks similar to itself, I continued to search for GW Models through DakkaDakka & Bartertown as well as other online sites. I am proxying some reaper models as my damsels, but still looking for more GW models.

I'm glad I could share the half horse idea, to me it just seemed logical, at least once I had seen and learned about the colored primers from Army Painter and other companies. Thanks for the Tan to Yellow idea, I will give that a try, though I am okay with them looking dirty, since they're peasants and should look as such.

I've been busy trimming the mold lines and flash from my second Bretonnian Battalion and considering a red/blue paint scheme for the second unit of men at arms. I'm looking at fielding or at least building two units of 50 men at arms each.

Here's a couple more shots of the Knights:



As always comments are welcome!

MAN YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY...
I love your Bretonians. Those Knights are looking very snazy.

The half horse priming thing is brilliant. I have a bunch of Brets in my closet that, eventually, I will paint up. I will have to use this plan of yours.

Enjoy the leaping! Be glad you have awesome game stores where you can play all these tabletop games!

--Brian

I like the green-white-red guy in the back row. :-) Other than that, just keep on posting.

Briancj wrote:The half horse priming thing is brilliant. I have a bunch of Brets in my closet that, eventually, I will paint up. I will have to use this plan of yours.
Enjoy the leaping! Be glad you have awesome game stores where you can play all these tabletop games!
--Brian

Do it! Haha, paint up those Brets! Thanks for the compliment, but it just seemed simple and logical once I had the two color primers in hand. And, yes, I am lucky to have 4 game stores within 10 miles and a further dozen or so more not much further around the Houston area, though I tend to frequent one more than the others.

leohart wrote:I like the green-white-red guy in the back row. :-) Other than that, just keep on posting.

Yeah, he's pretty cool. The designs on the others are pretty epic as well. I'll get better pics of them later.

The 5th edition box set unboxing has been documented, I now have an additional 12 Knights and the start of either a Lizardman army or some great models to set up for trading.








Lots of fluff in the old Bretonnian Codex they removed in the current edition:


I like the helms and the shields from the 5th edition models and think I'll be doing some mixing of models with the current editions of the Knights of the Realm models I have. Lots to do and the work continues!

Thank you all for being awesome and commenting!



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Flying Pooo wrote:MAN YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY...
I love your Bretonians. Those Knights are looking very snazy.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

You know its y'alls work, painting, conversions and more that help to keep me motivated to continue pushing out more and more models for this great hobby.

Thanks again!

- H

MAn! This is great man! Mixing and matching all the different generations of plastics will produce some excellent stuff!

btw..If you have any spare lutes from one of the musicians, I would be interested in them, and any spare brettonian men-at-arms heads with helmets if you ever want to part with them

Man, I need to finish my 40k rebuilding stuff so I can work on some Men-at-arms. I expect more painted stuff soon, Hmelrose.

dsteingass wrote:MAn! This is great man! Mixing and matching all the different generations of plastics will produce some excellent stuff!

btw..If you have any spare lutes from one of the musicians, I would be interested in them, and any spare brettonian men-at-arms heads with helmets if you ever want to part with them

Haha, Thanks. I'm hoping the helms and shields will fit, but only confident in the shields really matching up. I'll need to save some of the pegged helms for the 5th edition knights.

There aren't any lutes in the current editions of men at arms or bowmen, only horns and drums.

I'm going to have a ridiculous amount of heads left over, but I need to make sure I have enough for what I'm working toward first before I decide to share them out.

leohart wrote:Man, I need to finish my 40k rebuilding stuff so I can work on some Men-at-arms. I expect more painted stuff soon, Hmelrose.

Finish your marines, faster. lol. Do you need help with your men at arms? :p

I've been working with the Army Painter colors to a variety of good effects and am enjoying them.
http://usshop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=2

I've been going over and over on how to do Bretonnian Heraldry and the recent acquisition of the Older Bretonnian Codex has been an immense help, not just with ideas, but also with images of the knights and the intricate patterns on the horses as well as the knights shields.






I've got a ton more pics of the old codex pages in my dakka Bretonnian image gallery: http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-50179-23048_Bretonian.html

I did some size comparisons between the 5th edition horses and the current edition, there have been some fairly significant size changes as well as design changes:



Work progressed up at Fat Ogre, I needed a large surface with a lot of light to set everything out at and go to work among fellow gamers and modelers. This is mostly the 5th edition Knights and archer bits.


5th edition solid one piece models are the best, lol. minimal need for conversion, but still a nice model that does what it needs to do. Be the model you need it to be.


Getting ready to prime them, I've glued them to their bases, then stuck them to flipped over masking tape, this will hold them in place and the extra upturned edges will allow me to rotate them while I prime them.



Primed with Army Painter Leather Brown:


And now, for more colored primer painting techniques for bretonnian war horses!
Line everything up and with a sharpie note the colors and numbers of the models on either side of the wall. Make sure they match and the colors you want each side to be match up!


Doing multiple color types? Build another cardboard wall! tape and label everything.


Prime and step back. Check the edges of the models, there is a tendency to miss the edges or even some of the inside portion of the mount:







And the whole colored primer set up:



Those are still drying and I will check on them in a bit, line up several different colors and take pictures, hopefully the colors will work together across the two horse halves. I'm fairly certain the horse head will most like be a solid single color, but I can try to do the half/half painters tape technique to get the head painted in two halves. I've also begun working on some design ideas using the painters tape cut into strips to pattern a different color onto the side of the horse, which is something I would need to mirror on the knights shield or banner.

Lastly, King Louen Leonceur will be arriving sometime soon:


As always more comments and suggestions are welcome!

LOL. That king on griffon is so tiny. My brother has one of those small scale thing and it is nothing comparing to the new kit.

Given that you you do so much spraying, might be a good time to get a basecoat airbrush + compressor. Would save you lots of cash after 5 cans.

leohart wrote:LOL. That king on griffon is so tiny. My brother has one of those small scale thing and it is nothing comparing to the new kit.

Given that you you do so much spraying, might be a good time to get a basecoat airbrush + compressor. Would save you lots of cash after 5 cans.

He does seem a bit small, but I think I can make him work with some creative basing. I might look at getting the current model as well as hunt down a Duke of Bretonnia model that is out there. I'm looking to get a lot of the older metal models for my army, I think they'd add some cool flavor to it.

I was discussing how hard it is to get Bretonnians, that they're all direct order and most GW stores carry a very low stock of them. Someone remarked that this is generally what happens when they're about to redo a line of models. What do y'all think?

This is the result of the Leather Brown Army Painter color primer on the bowmen I primed yesterday, these are all the 5th edition Bretonnians and I've still got more bowmen to build and field.





Did some more work on the Bretonnians, but I wanted to touch base on some of the color priming techniques and wanted to touch base with some things I've experienced. Suspending the halves of the horses is a good way to get paint onto the models evenly and having them flat allows the primer to cover a lot of area, but it also allows the primer to miss covering portions of the models. So here's some shots of the mount halves from the army painter primer above:

Some of the blue did not hit the top half of the horse, its a little difficult to see, but its still grey.


Easier to see with the Red


Yellow


White, I think this is post re-prime


And, you do have to separate the model halves between cardboard pieces or by using walls, you can see here where the blue drifted over onto the red horse halves.



Its also worth noting that its a good idea to let them dry fully before handling and not to move model pieces onto cardboard you have recently primed on or near as the paint may still be wet.


And here's some of the horse halves put together to see about color combinations:



These are all the horses I did yesterday:







All the currently primed horses:




And now the portion of the army I've been working with (minus some key models):



Knights


Bowmen



Men At Arms



Damsels



The Army with more Knights added:



Reference Materials:



5th edition Knight head mounted to a current edition Knight torso:


You have to cut the plastic tab/rod thats designed to go into the back of the 5th edition Knight torso and shave down the inside portion of the hanging drape/helm crest. The helm needs room to line up to the torso and ultimately I had to drill and pin the head to hold it close to the body.





I did some more work last night, trimmed the mold lines off a bunch of men at arms, glued and pinned some more Bowmen together and applied them to bases. Still more horses, Pegasus, troops and knights to put together and work out paint schemes for.

I'm using the cover art from the codex and the Knights of Bretonnia books Knightly/family colors as reference points.


As always comments are welcome!

You are a painting machine!

My suggestion, for the Horses:

You have, basically, light and heavy warhorses now. You could put the heavier-armoured Knights on the larger horses, and lighter-armoured Knights on the smaller.

Or some other combo. Knights and Squires? Grail Knights and lesser knights? Etc.

--B.

I doubt they are going to release Bretonnian next. There are only two slots of Warhammer Fantasy left this year: June/July, August/September. The rumour has never touched on Bretonnian this year.

The reason they are so low in stock for most store is because:
1- Not many people play them (paint scheme is complicated)
2- Calvary is severely nerfed in this edition

Still, it's awesome see so much progress on your end.

The other problem with Brets is frankly the Perry's late 90's models were far nicer than the regiment set......This mean't they sold less when they came out.

Norn King wrote:You are a painting machine!

I tend to cut a lot of corners, but I also think I can produce results in a timely manner, lol. Thanks!

Briancj wrote:My suggestion, for the Horses: You have, basically, light and heavy warhorses now. You could put the heavier-armoured Knights on the larger horses, and lighter-armoured Knights on the smaller. Or some other combo. Knights and Squires? Grail Knights and lesser knights? Etc.
--B.

Good suggestions Briancj, I had though about putting current edition Knights on the smaller horses as they're larger knight bodies, but ultimately I think I will stick with them being mounted to the horse that matches the model. I've been doing some kit bashing between 5th and current (6th? 7th? 8th? edition ) Knight torsos, but there really isn't any room for the horses. I think a larger knight will make a smaller horse look that much smaller.

I've got some Yeomen, I'll take some pics, then post them up soon.

leohart wrote:I doubt they are going to release Bretonnian next. There are only two slots of Warhammer Fantasy left this year: June/July, August/September. The rumour has never touched on Bretonnian this year.

The reason they are so low in stock for most store is because:
1- Not many people play them (paint scheme is complicated)
2- Calvary is severely nerfed in this edition

Still, it's awesome see so much progress on your end.

Yes, I understand its all rumors til we actually see something produced. We didn't know about Empire, but they got a new book.

I don't think the paint scheme is that difficult. In fact its rather simple. Peasants can be all one color. Knights can be fielded as coming from a single family or similar situation and painted all the same as well. You don't have to get individual heraldry, but it is nice.

I'm still trying to get my head around the rule set so I can't speak to the nerfing of Cavalry rules.

I do like these models though! Now, lets see some of yours!

Llamahead wrote:The other problem with Brets is frankly the Perry's late 90's models were far nicer than the regiment set......This mean't they sold less when they came out.

There's a lot of great knights models sets, Perry Brothers, Fireforge's new Teutonic knights, the Ex Illis models, lots of knights that could work for Bretonnians and I think thats partly why the line hasn't done so well. You can get more knights, better designed for a cheaper price. Fantasy has always been more open and forgiving.

More Archers / Bowmen built!


Messing around with variations in color schemes on more Men At Arms, in process of building more:


What you're really here to see: Knights!








































Trebuchets!


And some shots of the army in progress:




Oh yeah and a custom built Knight on a Gryphon ( from the High Elf Box )







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Oh and before I forget here are some painted Wargames Factory Celts for you:







Hope you like them!

Comments are always welcome!

Man, you disappear for a couple of days and BAM, tons of stuff done. :|


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In other news, I acquired some 3M painter tape Advanced for Delicate Surface. Will try it out once I got permission to use my brother's airbrush.

leohart wrote:Man, you disappear for a couple of days and BAM, tons of stuff done. :|


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In other news, I acquired some 3M painter tape Advanced for Delicate Surface. Will try it out once I got permission to use my brother's airbrush.

Maybe I'll build some movement trays. Going to use plasticard and GW movement tray pieces. I need a hacksaw ala jim dugan. I don't know the guy, but I like his style. building movement trays out of plasticard and GW's movement tray borders. Using a steel ruler, a pen, and a cutting tool

The sheet of plasticard was picked up from a local train supply store called simply 'TRAINS' and only cost like $1 or $2 per sheet 12"x24"
1420 Spring Cypress Rd
Spring, TX 77373
(281) 353-9484
http://www.yelp.com/biz/trains-spring

Another supplier in the area would be Larry's Hobbies
156 Fm 1960 Rd E Ste F
Houston, TX 77073
(281) 443-7373
http://www.yelp.com/biz/larrys-hobbies-houston

And there are several other hobby, train, rc car and model airplane shops in the Houston area

To make a movement tray for Bretonnian Knights I marked with a pen 3" across the front/top and the plasticard is 12" deep, this will create a tray for 12 Knights





One 12" movement tray built



hmm.. should I build another? or should I build trays for archers and men at arms? do I build them as 3 inch x 10in that would put 20 archers in a line of two behind stakes 3"x10" would still work for Knights not so much for men at arms, So I built 3, for 3 units of 20 archers. Same system, just 3" across the top, then at 10" down I made a mark on both sides of the cut and then cut the plasticard to fit.

This is a 5" x 10" movement tray, designed for 50 Men At arms models


Every day is a good day for war gaming!

Everyday is indeed a good day for wargaming. Now that my car has been fixed (by a kind fellow wargamer), I can hit more places easier.

I love the idea of plasticard, btw. It looks good. And I think I have the exact same ruler.