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warboss wrote: For those planning to see the film today (or have already), is the space horsey charge across the Star Destroyer in an atmosphere/gravity or in space? It's in the trailers so it's not a spoiler.
Since I didn't see the film, I felt it better to ask just in case before offering my humble explanation of how to defeat such a devastating and ingenious tactic in the epic battle between equine and space capital ship.
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warboss wrote: Since I didn't see the film, I felt it better to ask just in case before offering my humble explanation of how to defeat such a devastating and ingenious tactic in the epic battle between equine and space capital ship.
Yet you can’t possibly have sent it?
Perhaps reserve any and all judgement until you’ve seen said film?
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I should have been more clear. I meant I don’t agree that critics are savaging TROS due to Collider-esque entitlement meltdowns out of a sense that Disney betrayed their deliberate shillery. I feel there are a few big camps of critics who hate the movie for legitimate (at least to them) reasons, and their reviews would not align so well if the movie were actually well made.
I should have been more clear. I meant I don’t agree that critics are savaging TROS due to Collider-esque entitlement meltdowns out of a sense that Disney betrayed their deliberate shillery. I feel there are a few big camps of critics who hate the movie for legitimate (at least to them) reasons, and their reviews would not align so well if the movie were actually well made.
Fair enough. FWIW, I agree with the part that last sentence. I certaintly don't feel that every negative review is tainted but rather that there are enough of them that I personally can't take them in good faith without looking deeper. They've just lost the benefit of the doubt with me. I'm also that way with members of the fandom menace who I find grating after 60 seconds. I look forward to reading your reply later.
I forgot about the Harlow guy who had the meltdown. I know his buddy and now partner in business John Campea gave it an intial thumbs down (with qualifications) but I didn't bother to check their show together to see their final in depth opinions. Incidentally, Campea's initial reaction to the TLJ was almost identical to his ROS one and then changed to a positive followed by subsequent years of fan bashing.
Finally, a sequel with an actual foundation to work from, and its mostly thanks to the Emperor and the primary focus on the heroic trio of Poe, Finn and Rey.
Rise of Skywalker is not only the best sequel but also one of the better saga movies. My hat off to JJ for not falling into the same trap as he did with The Force Awakens which was remaking A New Hope. There are throw backs and nods to other episodes(mostly ROTJ), but its mostly its own thing.
It does have its share of problems; a bit long for a SW movie, supporting characters are mostly redundant and too many desert and forest planets where Tatooine and Endor's moon would have sufficed. I've also given up trying to keep note of which snow planet is which. Felt a bit confused with the epic space battle.
Otherwise, a good star wars movie and end to the saga itself.
Dude the review is more than an hour long, what kind of pompous... does an hour long review?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I'll be watching this review tonight. It's not as long at only 57 minutes. I really enjoyed his in depth and thoughtful analysis of other films in the past (including TLJ). A potential trigger warning for the easily offended... it won't be an overall positive video given the title. And obviously spoiler alert as well.
I'm also subscribed to shadiversity but moreso for his explanations of more practical things like how people took a dump in medieval castles rather than his media reviews. I can't place his accent though. Does anyone know where he's from? It sounds like a mix of kiwi and british to me but I'm far from an expert in the myriad of UK accents.
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warboss wrote: Since I didn't see the film, I felt it better to ask just in case before offering my humble explanation of how to defeat such a devastating and ingenious tactic in the epic battle between equine and space capital ship.
Yet you can’t possibly have sent it?
Perhaps reserve any and all judgement until you’ve seen said film?
I don't think any of those things are true at least from the reviews I've watched. I'm not sure if you're trolling but it's probably best not to give anyone an aneurysm with incorrect speculation.
Spoiler:
Again, I haven't seen it but Rey kisses Kylo at the end and Han is apparently a hallucination (not a force ghost?) during Kylo's return to the light.
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warboss wrote: Since I didn't see the film, I felt it better to ask just in case before offering my humble explanation of how to defeat such a devastating and ingenious tactic in the epic battle between equine and space capital ship.
Yet you can’t possibly have sent it?
Perhaps reserve any and all judgement until you’ve seen said film?
The movie is out. We saw the trailers.
Stop. Gatekeeping.
The movie is out in Europe.
The trailers reveal, typically, nowt.
Do try harder, petal
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Dude the review is more than an hour long, what kind of pompous... does an hour long review?
Someone who wants to go through each and every obvious problem in the movie. He admits that he probably left out many smaller problems. That it takes him an hour to do so tells you much about just how bad he thinks the movie is.
warboss wrote: I'm also subscribed to shadiversity but moreso for his explanations of more practical things like how people took a dump in medieval castles rather than his media reviews. I can't place his accent though. Does anyone know where he's from? It sounds like a mix of kiwi and british to me but I'm far from an expert in the myriad of UK accents.
He's from Australia. He's done meet and greets down under and in some of his videos he's even said what city he lives in.
Fresh from seeing it. This movie was like TLJ and TFA thrown into blender and poured out as one big movie. It had some really good stuff, also some cringe-worthy stuff and much cookie-cutter stuff. Overall it just felt like overlong and too many elements crammed in. And sad to say, big plot reveals were lame. Like fan theory stuff-lame.
I wouldn't say it was actively bad like the prequels, however of all the DT movies, this one suffers from pacing issues the most. Also, the lack of overall vision for the saga becomes glaringly obvious.
For those of you watching in real time, mad doc suggested someone not comment on the movie until they'd seen it in its entirety.
Said person made a snark at a scene shown in a trailer, after clarifying from someone who had seen the movie that the scene was actually showing what they thought it was showing.
warboss wrote:Thanks. So.. the First Order could have defeated the charge of the durp brigade by
Spoiler:
simply listing to one side and watching them all helplessly fall off? Lol... I'm assuming of course they didn't devote a scene to fitting the space horses with mag boots.
Spoiler:
As I understand, that would have caused all the stormtroopers and personnel and fighters inside to also fall over and slide all around the halls. Probably something you'd rather avoid.
This does, however, work on two assumptions - that the ISD's own gravity generator thingy is turned off (and in atmosphere, it usually seems to be?), and that, if it were on anyways, all the cavalry would "stick" to it - basically that the gravity would affect people on the outside, as well as inside.
Togusa wrote:
Spoiler:
So Rey is a lesbian or something
Spoiler:
Not at all.
Now I personally am disappointed that Finn and Poe were never given a romantic relationship, instead of two no-name extras that will most likely be cut out of versions which might offend less accepting nations, but that's a different matter.
Spoiler:
and Han Solo isn't dead?
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Also no. He's a figment of Kylo's imagination, or simply speaking to him from beyond the veil. I kinda think they should have given Han a "force glow" effect, like with every other Force Ghost, but, I guess he isn't a Jedi/Sith, so can't be a force ghost? Maybe?
Posted this as a separate thread, but apparently we have one already (I thought it was for discussing the trailer)...
I was born in 1977.
I never saw the Star Wars original trilogy at the cinema, however I grew up watching it on TV, Christmas was Star Wars (and The Great Escape) here in the UK during the 80s and early 90s before the invention of Sky and digital TV.
I have been a Star Wars fan ever since.
I, like may fans, didn't like The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi. I mistakenly went to see TFA at the cinema, and skipped TLJ until it came out on BluRay.
Yesterday, on UK general release day (?), I went to see Rise of Skywalker at my local Cineworld.
I went in mostly cold. Having not really paid attention to any of the hype, I did however watch the trailer where it showed the Star Destroyer coming out of the water.
I was a little miffed however with Cineworld, I booked seat F12, one of the two seats smack bang in the middle of the audio coverage, for that perfect audio experience. However my local Cineworld is setup so that if you sit in the audio sweet spot the screen is far too close and it's difficult to see the edges without taking your eyes off the middle of the screen! Couple that with the screen seeming too dark (brightness/contrast needs to be adjusted I think) and the fact that the movie appeared to have a grain on it, I wasn't all that satisfied with Cineworld's showing of the movie.
My mini review/thoughts of the movie itself -
Spoiler:
The movie starts out promising, much force there is with this one. It was good to see Darth Sidious return - rumours/details of his survival (cloning etc) have been in the expanded universe/fan fiction for decades. Although questions of how he survived still go unanswered in this movie - it's a case of "look everyone The Emperor is back!". Largely gone is the moralising and social commentary from The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi that irked so many of us, so that is another plus point.
However there are, again, too many additional characters shoe horned in for no particular reason other than "inclusion" and to give "new" actors a leg up, Poe has a (lame) backstory shoe horned in, because. And some things don't seem to be very well thought out, many things seemed tacked on, and there are many things that annoyed me from a lack of detail/confusing detail point, for example -
Again Snoke isn't explained. Apparently Palpatine created him or something...
Nothing really happens in the "space battle". People are flying around, fighters/small ships get destroyed, but it's a general mess and it seems like it's there as a tacked on event with very little of the main goal (to destroy the Sith fleet) actually being worked towards or achieved and there's too many "in cockpit" bits with Poe and co. chatting instead of getting on with it!
The "command" Star Destroyer being forced to "reboot" with just a few thermal detonators (?) shoved down an access hatch is ridiculous! Finn and his new buddy, destroying said Star Destroyer, that they're standing on the outside of, with some kind of gun battery (turbo laser or ion cannon?) that they magically hot wire, and then conveniently end up getting rescued by Lando and Chewie in the Falcon when said Star Destroyer starts to disintegrate, is again slightly ridiculous! As is the charge of the space horse brigade!
The Death Star, as we know was vaporised in RoTJ (regardless of which SFX version you watch), and yet wreckage, quite a large chunk of it, including Palpatine's throne room, is conveniently located in an ocean on a planet in the Endor system?! That whole bit where Rey goes to the wreckage of the Death Star annoys me, it introduces a "tribe" of Stormtrooper deserters riding around on some sort of "horses". For no reason. They don't need to even be there. Rey gets to the Death Star wreckage on her own!
Rey is still that "perfect specimen of womanhood", but I guess given they established that in TFA that was never going to go away. At least now they've, conveniently, explained it away by telling us her lineage...
Kylo Ren is still a poorly acted bad comedy version of Darth Vader, and then he kind of does an Anakin Skywalker at the end...
Palpatine's "death" is confusing. He states that if Rey kills him, his spirit will enter her and he will be reborn, yet despite being killed, somehow his spirit does not enter Rey (or Ben Solo)...
Maybe I'm getting old, but the whole film is just too busy (and at times it's busy despite nothing actually happening), too many deus ex machinas, too disjointed, too many pointless characters, too many "fan service" cameos (Wedge Antilles appears in a gunner seat of the Falcon in the final "space battle", yay! /sarcasm), and too many questions are able to be be asked but remain left unanswered.
There's also a lesbian kiss at the end of the movie. Blink and you'll miss it, it's a non-event (which is a good thing). But, it was put in, just because, WOKE. I find it unnecessary, seeing as it's two non-entities who have no bearing on the plot, although one of the women does have a line or two, she's one of those blatant random characters shoe-horned in for no particular reason that we seem to have to suffer these days, but the media and activists on both sides have unecessarily latched on to it and we know it was just put in there for that reason...
It's not as bad as TFA and TLJ, as far as movies go in general it's a half decent movie, and it serves at least in part as a memorial to Carrie Fisher. Is it as good as The Original Trilogy. No.
I wish they'd re-release The Original Trilogy in the cinema so I can experience them in the cinema.
What I'd like to see now is a few movies covering events between RoTS and a ANH (Darth Vader, a Star Wars Story?), Rogue One was a half decent start, Solo, not so much, Kenobi? (I'm praying). And a movie or two between RoTJ and TFA detailing the rise of "The First Order", Darth Sidious's survival, and dare I say it Ben Solo's downward spiral to becoming Kylo Ren.
Wouldn't mind a series of movies where it's in the future from RoS, the Jedi order is re-established, and a new republic is in place, although I'm not sure what the story would be about, perhaps the rise of the Sith again...
Or Disney could just stop.
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2019/12/20 03:52:19
Subject: Re:Star Wars Rise of Skywalker - WARNING, SPOILERS.
Thanks for the recap. While I too was born in the late 70's and was a child of the 80's, I didn't see the original trilogy in theaters until they were rereleased. I was of course well aware of them and had seen them in part or in full many times but it was still worth it even with the "special" versions that Lucas messed with to see it all on the big screen. I do hope they release the originals some time as a special event so you and others can watch them.
Just a weird aside, my first actual memory of Star Wars was actually from the little snippets in the Muppet Babies saturday morning cartoons I used to watch. The first time I watched ANH was in school (3rd or 4th grade) on VHS in the classroom on a giantic suitcase sized 1970's top loading very loud and clanky VCR. It's strange that those memories stand out for me so much.
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SamusDrake wrote: Have a nice time, Togusa, and seriously go in expecting the Star Wars Holiday Special and you should be alright.
Well. The Holiday Special is the Lord of the fething Rings compared to this nightmare.
I would like to get my 10 dollars back.
Overall rating: 1/5
The first 40 minutes of the film is non-stop gunshots and fights and running and jumping and so on. It was painful to sit through, I kept finding myself constantly confused as characters would pose questions, and other characters would just magically know the exact answer to said questions. This happens half a dozen times through the film.
Spoiler:
Rey just happens to know where she needs to go, because Force.
Spoiler:
3PO can speak Sith. But he can't tell you about it. We'll have to wipe his memory! R2 has a backup! REASONS!
Spoiler:
Star Destroyers can't use shields on Sith Pleasure Planet (SPP from now on). But, we can't shoot the magic map tower with an X-Wing. Finn and some chick he met LITERALLY 20 minutes ago must go on foot, outside the SD to destroy the Magic Map Tower. Again,REASONS.
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Big fleet of star Destroyers. Why? No body knows where it came from or how. REASONS!
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Rey a barely trained force user (Because I refuse to call her a Jedi Knight) easily defeats Kylo Ren (A barely trained Sith Apprentice) as easily as Vader threw his angry stepdad off the DS tower. Because Mary Sue.
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Royal Guard, who I am pretty sure are supposed to be immune or at least resistant to the Force are tossed around like squeaky toys. LAUGHABLY BAD.
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The Death Star fell on some random planet that looks nothing like both Endor or Yavin. No explanation. Because REASONS!
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Kylo is Ben, and then he randomly dies at the end because REASONS!
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Oh Noes, Rey is a Palpatine. Somehow. Because, you guessed it! REASONS!
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Tie Fighters can go light-speed now. For some reason.
Aside from that the acting and the written dialogue was atrociously bad. The jokes were so cringey. I couldn't believe what I was hearing come out of the mouths of some of the characters. 3PO made me want to punch kittens, and Poe should have stepped on a landmine. I have to say that a lot of the cast looked like they were just phoning it in so that they could get paid, especially the supporting cast, who seemed to barely be able to act. It made it difficult to watch.
The best thing about this botched abortion of a film is that it ended.
God is dead. We killed him. Abandon all hope, ye who enter to see this 'film.'
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