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The Commissar models going way back to current I'd say are even much better models than this offering of mediocrity of design and death of artistic vision.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I actually couldn't be less excited over the new model. It just looks sort of boring and not really very interesting. I mean I get its a sisters model but it lacks any real spirit to it, for me anyways.
Maybe it's just me and my old eyes can't behold the glory, or maybe I'm just taking crazy pills but it looks like a boring, dull, bland sculpt of a dour sister. However to go by other people it's the next coming of salvation.
Edit: I see I'm not alone, that's good as I ran out of crazy pills the other day.
She's more interesting if you embrace her judge theme and replace the top of the staff with a comically large hammer. Sort of like a Harley Quinn thing.
Yeah but I'd rather have Harley Quinn with a comedy hammer with my army than this model. I am fairly certain even people I'd play with would rather look at that on the board across from them.
And the irony isn't lost on me given my avatar pic that I'd rather have harley than sister hammer time.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The idea of a "Sister Commissar" doesn't strike me as something they'd have.
100% agree. This was my first reaction.
Sisters need the exact OPPOSITE of a Commissar - someone to tell them not to be so hard on themselves!
Also the addition of this concept retrospectively breaks the plot of a lot of great Sisters novels. There have been so many times in past stories when a Dogmata would have needed to be involved in events, given their apparent role.
Dogmata, even the name feels kind of lame. I don't know, I just think this may be a model I hate of theirs and I didn't think they'd do that to me as I love the sisters line. She will reside in the dark part of my hate, like vespid sting wings and the old tiny nagash model.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I think it's a bad sculpt, first of all: the face is GW trademark hideous, the pose looks really off like she's squatting, and the weapon is boring as hell. It looks like they took the Judicar and a House Cawdor model and smashed them together to make this one.
Character bloat is a drain on the game. We do not need every new model release to be characters across factions. I know sisters are getting those I can't remember the name, baby dreadknight centurions, but for the most part most factions get a slew of Character models recently to the exclusion of actual units.
The lore makes no sense to me. Sisters are zealous, pious individuals devoted to the God Emperor - one Order literally flays their own hands out of devotion. These are not a group that need someone watching over them on the battlefield looking for people to censure. The Guard need a Commissar to shoot deserters, the Space Marines have Chaplains to keep order since we know Marines are far from infallible, but Sisters do not need that role. On top of that, why would this individual be the one to decree that certain Sisters become Repentia or Mortifiers? If I'm remembering rightly, most Repentia are actually Sisters who feel they have shamed themselves and VOLUNTEER for it. James Swallow's Faith and Fire had a Sister ask her Canoness to allow her to become Repentia because she failed in her duty by being the only survivor of her squad. And to me, a Canoness in the role of a kind of Mother Superior handling out punishments etc. is far more fitting than this judge character.
It's also yet another excuse to trot out one monopose model with a headswap and charge £25 for it.
She would work as the equivalent of a Repentia Mistress, for a new squad type of neophyte-type sisters. Like Space Marine scouts. Or even as the leader of a new Fraternis Militia squad. But not as someone supposedly keeping regular Sisters in line. They need a battlefield counsellor/cheerleader, not a Commissar.
I'm already dreading the next sisters novel, where suddenly this character type will appear and break previous lore.
Also - why keep releasing stuff like this and not the obivous gap we still have, i.e. the Sister Famulous?
Or even a Techmarine equivalent model.
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I mean they could have Gulliman repeal that decree for SOB or add them to the list of what is considered a marine under Imperial doctrine. Or just interpret it as allowing power armor troops to use Land Raiders. The fluff wouldn't be hard with him back and it would breath some life into that kit, at least regarding future usage.
Or just not mention whole decree. GW doesn't need fancy explanation to sell models. Simply design model and rules and put on sale.
I gotta agree with everyone saying it’s ugly. Most of the design elements are great. Love the robes, the sceptre, the armour, etc. But that pose! Wtf is she doing with her arms? I don’t really mind her looking stoic and stern, she’s an overseer. But that is such an oldschool, janky and awkwardly static pose. And her face, while okay, is a bit funny looking. Those eyes are wonky as hell.
Yeah, disappointing model. Which is a real shame given the actual elements are cool and her fluff is great.
Hadn't expected they could do worse than the Nundams, but despite this being a largely normal, sensible model, I'd rate it even lower than those monstrosities.
It looks like a trainee was asked to do a SoB version of the Cawdor executioner guy - and they did a fine job, but not up to the standards of the rest of the range, or any recent output for that matter. Unless it's the paintjob, the face is terrible, the torso appears incredibly thin, the robes too flat (or very restrictive to movement). Oh, and from a background point of view there was absolutely no need for this to exist.
But, at least she's not leaping from a tactical rock while balancing on a toe and a strand of extremely long hair. I guess there's that.
Aside from its various other flaws, the weapon seems weirdly designed. I am no expert, but when you wield a blunt weapon, wouldn't you want for as much of its head to connect with the enemy's head/chest/whatever as possible upon impact, to release maximum kinetic energy, rather than it being slowed down by various nooks and crannies?
It also seems to be too long to be wielded in one hand, but too short to be wielded in two hands.
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Esmer wrote: ... wouldn't you want for as much of its head to connect with the enemy's head/chest/whatever as possible upon impact, to release maximum kinetic energy...
Not necessarily. Hit someone with a baseball bat and it'll hurt. Swing at someone just as hard with a golf club, and the same energy will impact them over a smaller area.
Esmer wrote: Aside from its various other flaws, the weapon seems weirdly designed. I am no expert, but when you wield a blunt weapon, wouldn't you want for as much of its head to connect with the enemy's head/chest/whatever as possible upon impact, to release maximum kinetic energy, rather than it being slowed down by various nooks and crannies?
It also seems to be too long to be wielded in one hand, but too short to be wielded in two hands.
Depends what you’re aiming for in terms of results.
Flanged Maces were as much about buckling armour as stoving in heads. Because Knights liked to ransom each other (until Agincourt).
As HBMC said, they’re also a force multiplier. With a solid headed mace, all the weight and impact is spread over the surface. Add a flange or winkly bit, and the force is delivered to a smaller area.
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They did that whole selling off nobles after capture even later on, even the bodies.
Which makes incidents in which that ransoming of bodies f.e. didn't happen all the more memorable... Because it is/ was the ultimate spite move.
Cue Dornach.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: As HSBC said, they’re also a force multiplier. With a solid headed mace, all the weight and impact is spread over the surface. Add a flange or winkly bit, and the force is delivered to a smaller area.
Pretty sure H.B.M.C. isn’t a bank, Doc.
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Esmer wrote: Aside from its various other flaws, the weapon seems weirdly designed. I am no expert, but when you wield a blunt weapon, wouldn't you want for as much of its head to connect with the enemy's head/chest/whatever as possible upon impact, to release maximum kinetic energy, rather than it being slowed down by various nooks and crannies?
It also seems to be too long to be wielded in one hand, but too short to be wielded in two hands.
TBH Warhammer is not the realm of sensible weapons starting with thunder hammers that should be called thunder mallets and lack any kind of logic to their design. They are gigant mario bros-esque hammers but they look cool so whatever.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: As HSBC said, they’re also a force multiplier. With a solid headed mace, all the weight and impact is spread over the surface. Add a flange or winkly bit, and the force is delivered to a smaller area.
Pretty sure H.B.M.C. isn’t a bank, Doc.
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Is she going horse riding with those stirrups attached to her backpack?
They're bilboes, iron restraints normally placed on a person's ankles.
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The posing on this model looks odd because she has her staff held out in front of her on fully extended arms. It gives her arms a stiff pose and shifts her shoulders forward and inward. Makes her look narrow in the shoulders. Try it yourself. Grab a broom and hold it out a few feet in front of you at waist level. Being a heroic scale model, the shift in shoulder width is even more noticeable.
As for the face, it certainly has character. I'll probably end up painting both it and the helmet before I decide which goes on the model. It might not look so bad in a less contrasted paint scheme than GW used.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The lore makes no sense to me. Sisters are zealous, pious individuals devoted to the God Emperor - one Order literally flays their own hands out of devotion. These are not a group that need someone watching over them on the battlefield looking for people to censure.
The more fanatical and dogmatized the organisation, the more likely it is to spawn 'keepers of purity' and conduct self purging. Conceptually, Dogmata fit SoB to a tee.
